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Turkish customs during Bayram
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 01 Jan 2007 Mon 08:36 pm




In general shoes are taken off when entering a Turk’s home. In the larger cities and among the better to-do families, this is not always necessary however. It is usually the custom of small settlements and conservative families. In general Turks wear slippers at home. Housewives tend to compete with each other on cleanliness and will certainly not let you in with your shoes on. At any rate, in a country whose streets are disorderly and dirty, it makes good sense to leave your shoes at the door and slide into a pair of comfortable slippers. Almost all Turkish homes will have a pair of “guest slippers”, reserved just for visitors. And if the idea of wearing someone else’s shoes does not appeal to you, you can always tote along a pair of your own, which will not be considered out of the ordinary.
Kissing the hands of older family members is an obligatory ceremony of Bayram. Some families get together at the house of the oldest family member and have a “Bayram meal” all together. The elders give candy or money to those youngsters kissing their hands. In the past, gold coins and money were given however unfortunately this habit has been essentially lost, due to financial reasons.

Among Turks, kissing the hand of an elder and touching it to your forehead is a sign of respect shown to elders. Those in esteemed or reputable positions in society, and the elderly, enjoy having their hands kissed. For example, primary school teachers wait for their students to kiss their hands after graduation. This also is an indispensable custom practiced during Bayrams. The older members of the family give candies and some pocket money to the children who kissed their hands. If you are married to a Turk and visiting his family members you are expected to follow your husband in kissing hands. In some families the younger members do not smoke or cross their legs when together with the older members of the family. It will be easier for you if you discuss with your spouse what sort of customs and behavior you are expected to follow. (Worth thinking about: As you attempt to please others, be careful not to lose your own identity and uniqueness). Kissing hands of ladies in a French manner is not a common habit.

Turks are very generous and can be rather insistent when offering food in particular. It is best to just accept what is offered to you, with a smile, even though you may be full. If you don’t accept, you will undoubtedly hear comments like “Didn’t you like it?” or “Was it bad?”, and you even risk offending your host. If it is your second, third, or fourth helping, at some point you are bound to be genuinely full and you are not obliged to “clean your plate”.


2.       jackieeuk
72 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 06:22 am

very good post , i kiss the hand of my husbands father and mother then raise their hand to touch my forehead , i did have the common sense to ask what i should do on greeting them and i was given the run down.
removing shoes became a habit when Ahmet lived with me in the UK before returning to Turkey and it became second nature to me (after a while).
it is weird because i do things automatically in his family home which i wouldnt do in my own home like never cross my legs, dont ask me why as i do it all the time and yet i didnt think about doing it in Turkey ! i wear skirts too when im a trouser person, im not being modelled or loosing my identity i just want to show respect and Ahmet is so proud of me because i do it without thinking and yet as soon as im home im back to my own self and back to my old habits again.
any visitor to the house who was young kissed the elders hand and touched their forehead with the hand they just kissed , i get this treatment from the young children of my extended family it makes me feel quite special lol
Jackie
xx

3.       Dilara
1153 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 06:42 am

Very ınterestıng observatıons!
You certaınly descrıbed us a part of turkısh tradıtıons whıch ıs great for us language learners and the ones who plan to vısıt and dıscover the REAL Turkey lıke me (not just the tourıstıc areas whıch do not represent the country's realıty!!)
If there ıs someone else who would lıke to add somethıng else that would be greatç
WHAT I HAVE HEARD:
.Turkısh people (generally speakıng) are superstıcıous (evıl eye etc)
. You do not have to do the 'OK'sıgn when ın Turkey!
.You cannot poınt at someone wıth your soles
.You should rather acept all the food whıch ıs offered to you
.You must taek your shoes off

My questıons, ıf there ıs one elder person on the table, can you start eatıng before hım /her? (ın Japan you cannot for example)
What other sıgns are consıdered as 'Rude'?
As a Guest, wıll all turkısh famılıes treat you the same frıendly way or wıll they consıder where you come from?
What ıs not appropıate to do for FOREIGN WOMEN?

Thank you!
Dilara

4.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 10:59 am

Quoting Dilara:

Very ınterestıng observatıons!
You certaınly descrıbed us a part of turkısh tradıtıons whıch ıs great for us language learners and the ones who plan to vısıt and dıscover the REAL Turkey lıke me (not just the tourıstıc areas whıch do not represent the country's realıty!!)
If there ıs someone else who would lıke to add somethıng else that would be greatç
WHAT I HAVE HEARD:
.Turkısh people (generally speakıng) are superstıcıous (evıl eye etc)
. You do not have to do the 'OK'sıgn when ın Turkey!
.You cannot poınt at someone wıth your soles
.You should rather acept all the food whıch ıs offered to you
.You must taek your shoes off

My questıons, ıf there ıs one elder person on the table, can you start eatıng before hım /her? (ın Japan you cannot for example)
What other sıgns are consıdered as 'Rude'?
As a Guest, wıll all turkısh famılıes treat you the same frıendly way or wıll they consıder where you come from?
What ıs not appropıate to do for FOREIGN WOMEN?

Thank you!
Dilara


the men receive their food before women,and usually you should wait until after others start eating before you start,
signs that are considered rude are arguing with elders,slouching whilst sitting,not rising to greet and farewell guests(even if it is not your home),swearing is not seen as appropriate for women and men are not supposed to swear in front of women although they frequently do
i don't know about whether or not all turkisdh families treat you in the same way because i don't know all turkish families..but the ones i have met always treat guests with courteousness.
things that are not appropriate for foreign women depends on the area you are visiting i would imagine and where the turkish people you are meeting are origiblly from.generally if you are visiting the east or they are from the east it is not appropriate for women to wear revealing clothes(or trousers in some parts), swear, travelling unaccompanied usyally gives rise to invitations from males(even in turkish parts of london you will get odd looks or approached for doing this if you are female
of course this is only from my own experience of turkish people that i know who now live here in england or visited.

5.       azade
1606 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 02:46 pm

I never heard about the not crossing your leg thing. Is that while sitting in a chair or..? At my in laws we always sit on the floor so I often change positions, probably crossing my legs eventually. But nobody has ever told me not to do it. Also, what is the reason for this?

Observing the hand-forehead kissing, it's also individual; some people like you to do it and some don't. There is an in law of mine who never allows me to kiss her hand, but she really likes me. It's like because we are on a very friendly basis I don't need to do it. Others stick their hand in your face as if they are demanding you to do it. As a female I have never kissed any male but my father in laws hand. What are your experiences with this?
Also I think it's adorable when children want to kiss my hand We joke around with it a lot.

As for customs during meals, I haven't really noticed any. I haven't experienced males starting before females before. I know that you always say bismillah before eating, and that burping is a compliment to the cook. However I don't understand the need of every person having 2-3 bowls of food and others for sharing. There can easily be 20 bowls for just 5 people which is a lot of work for the person cleaning them. I'm rather picky when it comes to food and people generally tend to understand that because I'm from a different country I may not like what they serve. Because of the multiple bowls it's also easy to swap with the person next to you. That's helped me out a couple of times My in laws are genuinely nice people and since three of my brother in laws are neighbours they sometimes bring special dishes for me.

In Denmark it's rude not to take your shoes off in peoples home, so I'm used to that. But I'm not used to people taking my shoes and not returning it. The custom of taking the first pair of shoes you see annoys me a great deal. I've scolded a few people for leaving my shoes at other peoples homes a couple of times. I think they've learnt not to take mine now

I think that some of the customs are very sweet and others completely unlogic. But I guess all nations have their specialties.

6.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 02:52 pm

Quoting azade:

I never heard about the not crossing your leg thing. Is that while sitting in a chair or..? At my in laws we always sit on the floor so I often change positions, probably crossing my legs eventually. But nobody has ever told me not to do it. Also, what is the reason for this?
yes,you should not cross your legs whilst sitting in a chair.uf you are on the floor then your legs should be tucked behind you rather than crossed in front
, i dont know why either,but my husband says its becayse it draws attention to your butt by heightening your leg up ..
Observing the hand-forehead kissing, it's also individual; some people like you to do it and some don't. There is an in law of mine who never allows me to kiss her hand, but she really likes me. It's like because we are on a very friendly basis I don't need to do it. Others stick their hand in your face as if they are demanding you to do it. As a female I have never kissed any male but my father in laws hand. What are your experiences with this?
Also I think it's adorable when children want to kiss my hand We joke around with it a lot.
as for the handkissing you are not supposed to kiss females hands anyway.it is only for males,females are greeted by kisses on both cheeks.
any older male that is a member of my husbands family that i have met i have kissed their hand.
As for customs during meals, I haven't really noticed any. I haven't experienced males starting before females before. I know that you always say bismillah before eating, and that burping is a compliment to the cook. However I don't understand the need of every person having 2-3 bowls of food and others for sharing. There can easily be 20 bowls for just 5 people which is a lot of work for the person cleaning them.
its not just bismillah that is said before eating if you are eating meat if they are muslims,muslims also say a phrase similar to grace when eating meat giving thanks and recognising the animal's death..

I think that some of the customs are very sweet and others completely unlogic. But I guess all nations have their specialties.



7.       azade
1606 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 03:02 pm

Quoting robyn :




I suppose customs vary from region to region, because I'm duing exactly as I have learnt and people always compliment me. In the south east customs for greeting people are like this:
Elderly people (m/f): kiss hand and touch forehead. Additionally, when they are the same gender as you you can kiss both their cheeks.
Family members: Kiss hand and touch forehead on special occations (eg. bayram). Otherwise kiss both cheeks.
Young people: Kiss both cheeks.
Also there's hugging but I think that's something I've brought to them.

8.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 03:13 pm

Quoting azade:

Quoting robyn :




I suppose customs vary from region to region, because I'm duing exactly as I have learnt and people always compliment me. In the south east customs for greeting people are like this:
Elderly people (m/f): kiss hand and touch forehead. Additionally, when they are the same gender as you you can kiss both their cheeks.
Family members: Kiss hand and touch forehead on special occations (eg. bayram). Otherwise kiss both cheeks.
Young people: Kiss both cheeks.
Also there's hugging but I think that's something I've brought to them.



i'm talking about the southeast too.they hug a lot don't worry you have not corrupted them

9.       azade
1606 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 03:58 pm

Quoting robyn :



i'm talking about the southeast too.they hug a lot don't worry you have not corrupted them



Valla how far southeast are you? Maybe it varies from village to village

10.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 03:59 pm

Quoting azade:

Quoting robyn :



i'm talking about the southeast too.they hug a lot don't worry you have not corrupted them



Valla how far southeast are you? Maybe it varies from village to village



village near maras/kahramanmaras anotherwords behind maras not in front..

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