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Turkish customs during Bayram
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 01 Jan 2007 Mon 08:36 pm




In general shoes are taken off when entering a Turk’s home. In the larger cities and among the better to-do families, this is not always necessary however. It is usually the custom of small settlements and conservative families. In general Turks wear slippers at home. Housewives tend to compete with each other on cleanliness and will certainly not let you in with your shoes on. At any rate, in a country whose streets are disorderly and dirty, it makes good sense to leave your shoes at the door and slide into a pair of comfortable slippers. Almost all Turkish homes will have a pair of “guest slippers”, reserved just for visitors. And if the idea of wearing someone else’s shoes does not appeal to you, you can always tote along a pair of your own, which will not be considered out of the ordinary.
Kissing the hands of older family members is an obligatory ceremony of Bayram. Some families get together at the house of the oldest family member and have a “Bayram meal” all together. The elders give candy or money to those youngsters kissing their hands. In the past, gold coins and money were given however unfortunately this habit has been essentially lost, due to financial reasons.

Among Turks, kissing the hand of an elder and touching it to your forehead is a sign of respect shown to elders. Those in esteemed or reputable positions in society, and the elderly, enjoy having their hands kissed. For example, primary school teachers wait for their students to kiss their hands after graduation. This also is an indispensable custom practiced during Bayrams. The older members of the family give candies and some pocket money to the children who kissed their hands. If you are married to a Turk and visiting his family members you are expected to follow your husband in kissing hands. In some families the younger members do not smoke or cross their legs when together with the older members of the family. It will be easier for you if you discuss with your spouse what sort of customs and behavior you are expected to follow. (Worth thinking about: As you attempt to please others, be careful not to lose your own identity and uniqueness). Kissing hands of ladies in a French manner is not a common habit.

Turks are very generous and can be rather insistent when offering food in particular. It is best to just accept what is offered to you, with a smile, even though you may be full. If you don’t accept, you will undoubtedly hear comments like “Didn’t you like it?” or “Was it bad?”, and you even risk offending your host. If it is your second, third, or fourth helping, at some point you are bound to be genuinely full and you are not obliged to “clean your plate”.


2.       jackieeuk
72 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 06:22 am

very good post , i kiss the hand of my husbands father and mother then raise their hand to touch my forehead , i did have the common sense to ask what i should do on greeting them and i was given the run down.
removing shoes became a habit when Ahmet lived with me in the UK before returning to Turkey and it became second nature to me (after a while).
it is weird because i do things automatically in his family home which i wouldnt do in my own home like never cross my legs, dont ask me why as i do it all the time and yet i didnt think about doing it in Turkey ! i wear skirts too when im a trouser person, im not being modelled or loosing my identity i just want to show respect and Ahmet is so proud of me because i do it without thinking and yet as soon as im home im back to my own self and back to my old habits again.
any visitor to the house who was young kissed the elders hand and touched their forehead with the hand they just kissed , i get this treatment from the young children of my extended family it makes me feel quite special lol
Jackie
xx

3.       Dilara
1153 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 06:42 am

Very ınterestıng observatıons!
You certaınly descrıbed us a part of turkısh tradıtıons whıch ıs great for us language learners and the ones who plan to vısıt and dıscover the REAL Turkey lıke me (not just the tourıstıc areas whıch do not represent the country's realıty!!)
If there ıs someone else who would lıke to add somethıng else that would be greatç
WHAT I HAVE HEARD:
.Turkısh people (generally speakıng) are superstıcıous (evıl eye etc)
. You do not have to do the 'OK'sıgn when ın Turkey!
.You cannot poınt at someone wıth your soles
.You should rather acept all the food whıch ıs offered to you
.You must taek your shoes off

My questıons, ıf there ıs one elder person on the table, can you start eatıng before hım /her? (ın Japan you cannot for example)
What other sıgns are consıdered as 'Rude'?
As a Guest, wıll all turkısh famılıes treat you the same frıendly way or wıll they consıder where you come from?
What ıs not appropıate to do for FOREIGN WOMEN?

Thank you!
Dilara

4.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 10:59 am

Quoting Dilara:

Very ınterestıng observatıons!
You certaınly descrıbed us a part of turkısh tradıtıons whıch ıs great for us language learners and the ones who plan to vısıt and dıscover the REAL Turkey lıke me (not just the tourıstıc areas whıch do not represent the country's realıty!!)
If there ıs someone else who would lıke to add somethıng else that would be greatç
WHAT I HAVE HEARD:
.Turkısh people (generally speakıng) are superstıcıous (evıl eye etc)
. You do not have to do the 'OK'sıgn when ın Turkey!
.You cannot poınt at someone wıth your soles
.You should rather acept all the food whıch ıs offered to you
.You must taek your shoes off

My questıons, ıf there ıs one elder person on the table, can you start eatıng before hım /her? (ın Japan you cannot for example)
What other sıgns are consıdered as 'Rude'?
As a Guest, wıll all turkısh famılıes treat you the same frıendly way or wıll they consıder where you come from?
What ıs not appropıate to do for FOREIGN WOMEN?

Thank you!
Dilara


the men receive their food before women,and usually you should wait until after others start eating before you start,
signs that are considered rude are arguing with elders,slouching whilst sitting,not rising to greet and farewell guests(even if it is not your home),swearing is not seen as appropriate for women and men are not supposed to swear in front of women although they frequently do
i don't know about whether or not all turkisdh families treat you in the same way because i don't know all turkish families..but the ones i have met always treat guests with courteousness.
things that are not appropriate for foreign women depends on the area you are visiting i would imagine and where the turkish people you are meeting are origiblly from.generally if you are visiting the east or they are from the east it is not appropriate for women to wear revealing clothes(or trousers in some parts), swear, travelling unaccompanied usyally gives rise to invitations from males(even in turkish parts of london you will get odd looks or approached for doing this if you are female
of course this is only from my own experience of turkish people that i know who now live here in england or visited.

5.       azade
1606 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 02:46 pm

I never heard about the not crossing your leg thing. Is that while sitting in a chair or..? At my in laws we always sit on the floor so I often change positions, probably crossing my legs eventually. But nobody has ever told me not to do it. Also, what is the reason for this?

Observing the hand-forehead kissing, it's also individual; some people like you to do it and some don't. There is an in law of mine who never allows me to kiss her hand, but she really likes me. It's like because we are on a very friendly basis I don't need to do it. Others stick their hand in your face as if they are demanding you to do it. As a female I have never kissed any male but my father in laws hand. What are your experiences with this?
Also I think it's adorable when children want to kiss my hand We joke around with it a lot.

As for customs during meals, I haven't really noticed any. I haven't experienced males starting before females before. I know that you always say bismillah before eating, and that burping is a compliment to the cook. However I don't understand the need of every person having 2-3 bowls of food and others for sharing. There can easily be 20 bowls for just 5 people which is a lot of work for the person cleaning them. I'm rather picky when it comes to food and people generally tend to understand that because I'm from a different country I may not like what they serve. Because of the multiple bowls it's also easy to swap with the person next to you. That's helped me out a couple of times My in laws are genuinely nice people and since three of my brother in laws are neighbours they sometimes bring special dishes for me.

In Denmark it's rude not to take your shoes off in peoples home, so I'm used to that. But I'm not used to people taking my shoes and not returning it. The custom of taking the first pair of shoes you see annoys me a great deal. I've scolded a few people for leaving my shoes at other peoples homes a couple of times. I think they've learnt not to take mine now

I think that some of the customs are very sweet and others completely unlogic. But I guess all nations have their specialties.

6.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 02:52 pm

Quoting azade:

I never heard about the not crossing your leg thing. Is that while sitting in a chair or..? At my in laws we always sit on the floor so I often change positions, probably crossing my legs eventually. But nobody has ever told me not to do it. Also, what is the reason for this?
yes,you should not cross your legs whilst sitting in a chair.uf you are on the floor then your legs should be tucked behind you rather than crossed in front
, i dont know why either,but my husband says its becayse it draws attention to your butt by heightening your leg up ..
Observing the hand-forehead kissing, it's also individual; some people like you to do it and some don't. There is an in law of mine who never allows me to kiss her hand, but she really likes me. It's like because we are on a very friendly basis I don't need to do it. Others stick their hand in your face as if they are demanding you to do it. As a female I have never kissed any male but my father in laws hand. What are your experiences with this?
Also I think it's adorable when children want to kiss my hand We joke around with it a lot.
as for the handkissing you are not supposed to kiss females hands anyway.it is only for males,females are greeted by kisses on both cheeks.
any older male that is a member of my husbands family that i have met i have kissed their hand.
As for customs during meals, I haven't really noticed any. I haven't experienced males starting before females before. I know that you always say bismillah before eating, and that burping is a compliment to the cook. However I don't understand the need of every person having 2-3 bowls of food and others for sharing. There can easily be 20 bowls for just 5 people which is a lot of work for the person cleaning them.
its not just bismillah that is said before eating if you are eating meat if they are muslims,muslims also say a phrase similar to grace when eating meat giving thanks and recognising the animal's death..

I think that some of the customs are very sweet and others completely unlogic. But I guess all nations have their specialties.



7.       azade
1606 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 03:02 pm

Quoting robyn :




I suppose customs vary from region to region, because I'm duing exactly as I have learnt and people always compliment me. In the south east customs for greeting people are like this:
Elderly people (m/f): kiss hand and touch forehead. Additionally, when they are the same gender as you you can kiss both their cheeks.
Family members: Kiss hand and touch forehead on special occations (eg. bayram). Otherwise kiss both cheeks.
Young people: Kiss both cheeks.
Also there's hugging but I think that's something I've brought to them.

8.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 03:13 pm

Quoting azade:

Quoting robyn :




I suppose customs vary from region to region, because I'm duing exactly as I have learnt and people always compliment me. In the south east customs for greeting people are like this:
Elderly people (m/f): kiss hand and touch forehead. Additionally, when they are the same gender as you you can kiss both their cheeks.
Family members: Kiss hand and touch forehead on special occations (eg. bayram). Otherwise kiss both cheeks.
Young people: Kiss both cheeks.
Also there's hugging but I think that's something I've brought to them.



i'm talking about the southeast too.they hug a lot don't worry you have not corrupted them

9.       azade
1606 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 03:58 pm

Quoting robyn :



i'm talking about the southeast too.they hug a lot don't worry you have not corrupted them



Valla how far southeast are you? Maybe it varies from village to village

10.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 03:59 pm

Quoting azade:

Quoting robyn :



i'm talking about the southeast too.they hug a lot don't worry you have not corrupted them



Valla how far southeast are you? Maybe it varies from village to village



village near maras/kahramanmaras anotherwords behind maras not in front..

11.       azade
1606 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 04:07 pm

Quoting robyn :

Quoting azade:

Quoting robyn :



i'm talking about the southeast too.they hug a lot don't worry you have not corrupted them



Valla how far southeast are you? Maybe it varies from village to village



village near maras/kahramanmaras anotherwords behind maras not in front..



Ahh, I see I'm talking about the very corner, Hakkari

12.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 04:22 pm

cool..by the way we have gone off topic

13.       jackieeuk
72 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 06:03 pm

One thing i dont understand but understand the explanation is that my brother in law smokes and so does his father (my father in law) and i smoke, my choice not theirs is that i go out side on their balcony to have a cigarette day or night time. Ahmet's brother has never ever smoked in front of his father and when asked why i was told out of respect.
I just dont understand this bit because they both smokeand turkey is a nation of smokers and father knows he smokes can anone explaine why this is considered disrespectful? father smokes usually outside when working or in his room but non the less if he wants one he has one and yet Mehmet only smokes when his father is out the way and then he smokes in the main living room.
visitors who come to visit they smoke in the living room .
eating too we all get stuck in at the same time,men , women and children all squat on the floor and who ever's got their spoons ready first are the ones who tuck in first usually the kids and ol' smiffy (me) lol.
if im slow for the off then father in law gives me the nod and indicates for me to eat before hs's ready to eat.
i love bread but nothing like the Turks lol i ended up eating at least a loaf and a half a day !! girls you cant worry about your wasitline if you live with a Turkish family lol deal with the after effects when you get home.
the crossing of legs just isnt done by the Turkish women and with their long skirts it would be difficult it would bring up the length of the skirt thus showing a bit of leg not good showing an ankle! so keeping both feet on the floor looks more refined.I am talking village life though and not town or city life,im yet to experience that .

I wondered about the pointing the feet at someone could it be considered rude? so i sat,watched and that didnt seem to be a problem the rest of them did it when relaxing putting their feet up,more than one occasion i had two old plates of meat on my lap as my husband laid out BUT if father walked in to the room they all shot up to the upright position and sat properly i guess a respect thing.
sitting and watching i find is the best way to learn along with of course asking.
my husband said he was so proud of me and so respected the fact that i asked before meeting his family for the first time the do's and donts so i was well prepared and wouldnt ebarrasse myself or him.
people are all different and so some people would take offence whilst other wouldnt and my in laws and family knew i was not muslim and fully understand my way of life is so differnet to theirs and so if i did do something they laughed and had no problem with anything i did but they could see i had already made an effort to fit in with their life style ie skirts not trousers and insisting i go out side to smoke although they preferred i stayed indoors but they are not used to women smoking so i felt better doing that way. This was my choice and it certainly wasnt expected of me in anyshape or form. During Ramazan i was asked if i would like some alcohol !!!! not one member of his family had ever had a drop touch their lips but they were so keen to make me feel comfortable on my first visit they thought a beer or two would go down well but im not a huge drinker and was quite happy living without it but i was so taken aback to have had them offer this to me esp it was during theri most religious moment of the year.
i wonder if the shoe was on the other foot and had a muslim stay for christmas and because they dont drink say "oh this christmas non of us will not drink out of respect" i can imagine most will stay " stuff it they dont like it they know where they can go, they dont want a drink thats their problem "
greeting people i found that hugging was no problem after the kiss on both cheeks the women then hugged me and they clung on like limpits lol
well thats my experiences on my Traditional family life
i love it although found it so boring at times but accepted it im not in England and im not living in a european environment

Jackie

xx

14.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 06:08 pm

yeh they arent supposed to do anything negative in front of their father..even if something with nudity comes on television they or their father will change the channel if they are in the same room.the same goes for elder male family members..

15.       jackieeuk
72 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 06:41 pm

Quoting robyn :

yeh they arent supposed to do anything negative in front of their father..even if something with nudity comes on television they or their father will change the channel if they are in the same room.the same goes for elder male family members..



Robyn,

absolutely this happened a lot whilst watching tv, we were watching a circus and everyone seemed to enjoy it until a woman acrobat came on and she had a glitzy liotard type thingy but was a G string at the back and that was it the channel was switched straight away ! it happened several times , women wearing revealing things then the chaneel was changed, once it was just me Ahmet ,his brother and sister in law watching tv and something like that happened, Mehmets eyes came out on stalks i looked at him he looked at me i laughed , he laughed mehmet got a few choice words from his wife and i got the paddington stare from my husband, i told him "like you didnt notice did you " i was told to shut up witha big grin on his face .

16.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 06:57 pm

Quoting jackieeuk:

Quoting robyn :

yeh they arent supposed to do anything negative in front of their father..even if something with nudity comes on television they or their father will change the channel if they are in the same room.the same goes for elder male family members..



Robyn,

absolutely this happened a lot whilst watching tv, we were watching a circus and everyone seemed to enjoy it until a woman acrobat came on and she had a glitzy liotard type thingy but was a G string at the back and that was it the channel was switched straight away ! it happened several times , women wearing revealing things then the chaneel was changed, once it was just me Ahmet ,his brother and sister in law watching tv and something like that happened, Mehmets eyes came out on stalks i looked at him he looked at me i laughed , he laughed mehmet got a few choice words from his wife and i got the paddington stare from my husband, i told him "like you didnt notice did you " i was told to shut up witha big grin on his face .



ur lucky..any channels with that stuff on s blocked in my house and im in england lol.cant even watch a normal film. of coyrse its one rule for us and another for them..i enjoyed watching the boxing matches the other day

17.       azade
1606 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 07:13 pm

Quoting jackieeuk:

I wondered about the pointing the feet at someone could it be considered rude? so i sat,watched and that didnt seem to be a problem the rest of them did it when relaxing putting their feet up,more than one occasion i had two old plates of meat on my lap as my husband laid out BUT if father walked in to the room they all shot up to the upright position and sat properly i guess a respect thing.



Oh yes, standing up when baba comes home. Actually I don't do that anymore.. I'm getting really comfortable there

The issue of smoking is usually very complicated. You can see this post here: http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_11924 Generally I don't think younger men smoke in front of elder men, specially if they are related and young women don't smoke in front of men and relatives. Believe me, my brother in law who is (at least) 30 doesn't smoke in front of his older brothers and father lol

18.       ekd
322 posts
 08 Jan 2007 Mon 02:04 am

i have enjoyed reading this!

i am going to stay wih my (male) friend for two weeks at the end of january and he is taking me round a few places. i am not sure if i will be meeting his family but i know we are visiting his home town which is fethiye and i'm really scared that i am goin to offend someone or do something wrong and make a fool of myself (and him)!

eek!

19.       ekd
322 posts
 13 Jan 2007 Sat 01:40 am

is there anything else i should do/know?

any help would be much appreciated. x

20.       azade
1606 posts
 13 Jan 2007 Sat 03:19 am

Quoting ekd:

is there anything else i should do/know?

any help would be much appreciated. x


Don't worry about going to Fethiye. Just use your common sense I'm sure they will understand that you're not completely in tune with the culture.

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