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10.       Noorah101
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 20 Jan 2007 Sat 12:26 am

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I am a Turkish teacher. I have studied Arabic, Persian, Russian, English and a little Urdu. Not a native Turkish speaker but as a language teacher, when I compare these languages I can say that the grammar of Turkish language is the easiest one. It can be seemed as hard in the beginning, but soon you will see how logical and easy rules it has..So, don't worry.. You will succeed to learn it as many people did. And also we are here to help you..


Hi everyone. I've visited this site many times and finally joined today. I'm a Persian language teacher and I have to say I think Persian grammar is the simplest of all. There's hardly any grammar to it, and what it does have is extremely regular (as is Turkish). But Turkish seems to have more tenses than Persian does.

I've been learning Turkish for about 7 months from a private tutor once a week. I also was having trouble on my own using CDs and books. I needed a native speaker to explain my questions as they came up, and to give me feedback on pronunciation and such. So far, so good! Don't give up!

~Rene

11.       bod
5999 posts
 22 Jan 2007 Mon 03:56 am

Quoting TURQuazman:

AND YOU ARE SO LUCKY THAT YOU CHOOSE TO LEARN TURKISH. WE, TURKISH PEOPLE, WERE NOT LUCKY AS YOU ARE. THERE IS NO CULTURE LIKE TURKISH ON THE UNIVERSE THAT THE OWNERSOF THIS CULTURE ARE ALL WILLING TO TEACH WHO WANTS TO LEARN THEIR LANGUAGE.



That is not what I found last time I was in Turkia......

I wanted to speak and learn Turkish but everytime I spoke any Turkish to Turks, they answered me in English Obviously I have an English accent but most Turks seemed to not even notice that I was making a real effort to talk to them in their own language!

12.       metehan2001
501 posts
 22 Jan 2007 Mon 04:07 am

Quoting bod:

Quoting TURQuazman:

AND YOU ARE SO LUCKY THAT YOU CHOOSE TO LEARN TURKISH. WE, TURKISH PEOPLE, WERE NOT LUCKY AS YOU ARE. THERE IS NO CULTURE LIKE TURKISH ON THE UNIVERSE THAT THE OWNERSOF THIS CULTURE ARE ALL WILLING TO TEACH WHO WANTS TO LEARN THEIR LANGUAGE.



That is not what I found last time I was in Turkia......

I wanted to speak and learn Turkish but everytime I spoke any Turkish to Turks, they answered me in English Obviously I have an English accent but most Turks seemed to not even notice that I was making a real effort to talk to them in their own language!



When you come to Turkey next time, you just tell your Turkish friends that you want to practice Turkish with them. I am sure they will understand your stuation an will help you.

13.       KeithL
1455 posts
 22 Jan 2007 Mon 08:09 pm

Quoting bod

That is not what I found last time I was in Turkia......

I wanted to speak and learn Turkish but everytime I spoke any Turkish to Turks, they answered me in English Obviously I have an English accent but most Turks seemed to not even notice that I was making a real effort to talk to them in their own language![/QUOTE:



I think this is a pride thing. Turks who know english are eager to show their ability and its also possibility of politeness to speak in your language rather than theirs. I found that your turkish will improve magnitudes faster if you attempt to interact with people that don't speak english. And then you can also ask your friends to resist speaking english with you. Good Luck!

14.       Elisa
0 posts
 22 Jan 2007 Mon 10:06 pm

I find it really hard to try to speak Turkish with Turkish people who also speak English. I instantly get some kind of "speaking-block", nothing sensible comes out anymore, her kere sesim çıktı
But on the market or in the street, for example, where nobody knows me, I overcome that feeling quite easily. It's a real pain and so far I can't seem to help it

15.       sazji
47 posts
 31 Jan 2007 Wed 06:44 pm

There are different reasons a language may be "hard" for a learner, and it's not all about grammar.

I learned Greek as a second language; Greek is not considered easy at all. Lots of irrgular verbs, complex declensions that change for different types of nouns, etc. And there is the ancient Greek element as well. However it was much easier to begin speaking, because although I would get verb/noun endings wrong, people always understood what I was saying. This is because the basic concepts of Greek and just about any other Indo-European language follow a similar pattern. Turkish, at least the actually Turkish part of the language, is very regular and logical. However the structure is so different that it requires lots of practice to get the brain around it. (Of course as I help some Turkish friends with English, I realize how confusing our structure can be to them...) On the other hand, Koreans tend to find Turkish pretty straightforward, because their language follows very similar patterns. (now pronunciation is another thing...)

Also because the language has evolved quite independently of western language and culture until recently, many expressions are quite foreign to us.

And lastly, I think unfortunately that many Turkish teachers don't teach very well. In universities the task is often thrust upon grad students without much actual language teaching experience, and they tend to teach Turkish as they were taught it - dissecting grammar. Remember "find the adverb" type exercises in English class? Education in Turkey is (again unfortunately) largely examination oriented. Memorize the information, choose the right answer. I remember going into 2nd year Turkish at a US university. The teacher entered the room, said "Welcome to 2nd-year Turkish. Let's start with some review. Ben öğretmenim. Sen nesin?" And out of 12 people who had studied Turkish for a year, there was not one person who could answer that question. 8| Because they had spent all their time reading and translating, and filling in blanks, rather than actually speaking!

I find it helps to avoid as much as possible trying to translate from English. Long sentences are particularly problematic for us because the places we can run on elegantly are quite different than in Turkish. And though in written Turkish we find things that are more like labyrinths than sentences most Turks don't actually talk that way. Pay attention to how they actually phrase things.

Find the things that give you trouble (relative clauses tend to be a real sticking point, or some of the "interesting" verb structures) and make your own exercises. Talk to yourself. Try and find simple texts; stuff for kids for example. The Internet is a great resource for this too. Find texts about things you know about. For example, if you are into cooking, look at the many many Turkish food sites. You'll get new vocabulary from context, and also get more comfortable with the way Turkish works. And keep practicing!

16.       Dilara
1153 posts
 31 Jan 2007 Wed 06:57 pm

Quoting sazji:

There are different reasons a language may be "hard" for a learner. I learned Greek as a second language; Greek is not considered easy at all. Lots of irrgular verbs, complex declensions that change for different types of nouns, etc. And there is the ancient Greek element as well. However it was much easier to begin speaking, because although I would get verb/noun endings wrong, people always understood what I was saying. This is because the basic concepts of Greek and just about any other Indo-European language follow a similar pattern. Turkish, at least the actually Turkish part of the language, is very regular and logical. However the structure is so different that it requires lots of practice to get the brain around it. (Of course as I help some Turkish friends with English, I realize how confusing our structure can be to them...) I find it helps to avoid as much as possible trying to translate from English. Long sentences are particularly problematic for us because the places we can run on elegantly are quite different than in Turkish. And though in written Turkish we find things that are more like labyrinths than sentences most Turks don't actually talk that way. Pay attention to how they actually phrase things. And keep practicing!



Very interesting comment I must say.
Thank you for your tips although I am focus on written turkish only (for now)
For me the hardest languages to learn (the ones I have seen some grammar structures) are:
Arabic , Mandarin Chinese , Polish and Lithuanian.
Selamlar!

17.       libralady
5152 posts
 31 Jan 2007 Wed 07:00 pm

Getting your head round the sentance structure and the adding on of suffixes I find the most confusing. Time is a factor for me too! I dont have enough. And another problem I have is I tend to compare French and Spanish with Turkish although not so much now.

And in the UK, the selection of books, dictionaries etc is non-existant! The Red Book dictionary is so small I can't see the words properly - even with glasses.

But I will also persevere and hopefully be able to hold a conversation when I go to Turkey in June.

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