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Multilingualism
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 04:40 pm |
Quoting qdemir: 12 people out of 50 million. Not too bad!!!
How do you succeed in living on a land without having any feeling of belonging? Enyoy the opportunities only she provides you, but refuse to be a part of her. Nice blending! Quote:
First you claim 'ignorance' of the knowledge of any U.S. citizen that speaks Spanish. Now you suddenly, after reading 12 names, you are acutely knowledgeable about how Latinos operate without feeling as if they belong or their refusal to be a part of the U.S. society. Also you base your arguments on immigrants living in Turkey. Then draw conclusions of ability to suceed or not in a foreign land. There are many great books out there and recent documentaries regarding the Latino immigrant and the Latino U.S. citizen. I won't name a book as it will be mocked as just 'one' out of the possibly trillions of books that have been written in our world. Good luck in doing your own research regarding a topic that you clearly know nothing about. After doing that I'll be more than glad to field a valid conversation with you on this topic.
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 04:46 pm |
Dear Capoeira,
I was not referring to offering translators at courts, which is still the very evidence that only one language, English, is official. Saddam, for example, was also presented a translator, but we even don't have a doubt of whether Arabic is spoken widely in the USA. Well.. Maybe Elisa or someone from Canada would enlighten me, but I guess in Belgium, for example, you would be able to defend yourself in Dutch or French, depending on your mood at the time, without need a translator, since the judges as well as the Belgium people are bilingual.
I think I get your point, and find you quite right; but I also think Spanish has no chance, sorry, to be regarded as equal (or whatever you wish it to be) with English, particularly while English is spoken world wide. This is not a matter of the amount of Spanish-speaking people, of wishing or demanding it to be accepted as official, or whatever we prefer to name, of whether Spanish is as good and rich as English, but a matter purely of economy. In what language the world economy as well as the USA economy is controlled and leaded, that language is the official language of both the USA and the world- namely not even the British or Canadian English, but American English. You may be given, and in fact you have, freedom to use in the USA all the languages on the earth, but the official, or dominant, or whatever we call, language remains and will always remain the same: American English, unless you market and sell your terrible culture (Hollywood, McDonalds), your so-called technology (Microsoft), law system ('America is the country of freedoms') merchandises (Coca Cola, Apache Helicopters and all other weapons), to the whole world in any other language than American English.
I won't mention here the English language itself is a huge industry, namely money!
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 05:01 pm |
You missed the part of my post that stated that there are courts where you can argue a case in Spanish...
Regardless...you claimed that the U.S. is a monolingual geography. It is not. Yes, English continues to be the dominant language. I never claimed it wasn't. Which is fine, as this is the U.S. But, your previous post stated that it is a monolingual country NOT that English is dominant. If our presidential candidates when campaining for office speak Spanish to try to woo Spanish speaking voters, if our schools provide bilingual education, Spanish & English, if our courts reder verdicts in Spanish, if you are spoken to in Spanish before you hear English in our major cities, if the majority of all documents have two sides..one in English and the other in Spanish then you must recognize that Spanish is NOT a foreign language here and we are NOT a monolingual society as you claim.
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 05:41 pm |
Quoting AllTooHuman: but I guess in Belgium, for example, you would be able to defend yourself in Dutch or French, depending on your mood at the time, without need a translator, since the judges as well as the Belgium people are bilingual. |
The situation in Belgium is a bit complicated. We have 3 official languages: Dutch is the official language for the Flemish (Dutch) region, French for the Walloon (French) region, and obviously German for the German region. There's also a small region, a kind of Flemish enclave between Holland and the Walloon provinces. The region belongs to Flanders, but has language facilities for the French-speaking minority overthere.. (did I mention already that our situation is complicated? )
This language situation has its influence on the country's administration, even officials lose track sometimes (eg. official letters written in French when it should have been Dutch, hence invalid..)
We can't use languages as we see fit. I couldn't go to court and say I want to defend myself in German today because I feel like it..
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 05:44 pm |
Quoting Elisa: Quoting AllTooHuman: but I guess in Belgium, for example, you would be able to defend yourself in Dutch or French, depending on your mood at the time, without need a translator, since the judges as well as the Belgium people are bilingual. |
The situation in Belgium is a bit complicated. We have 3 official languages: Dutch is the official language for the Flemish (Dutch) region, French for the Walloon (French) region, and obviously German for the German region. There's also a small region, a kind of Flemish enclave between Holland and the Walloon provinces. The region belongs to Flanders, but has language facilities for the French-speaking minority overthere.. (did I mention already that our situation is complicated? )
This language situation has its influence on the country's administration, even officials lose track sometimes (eg. official letters written in French when it should have been Dutch, hence invalid..)
We can't use languages as we see fit. I couldn't go to court and say I want to defend myself in German today because I feel like it.. |
this will probably go down as one the dumbest things said ever,.but i thought Belgians spoke Belgian..is there not a Belgian language?:-S sorry if it seems a little dumb
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 05:48 pm |
Quoting robyn : but i thought Belgians spoke Belgian..is there not a Belgian language?:-S |
There is no such thing as a "Belgian language" or "Belgian"...
Quoting robyn : sorry if it seems a little dumb |
it's OK, I won't tell anyone
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 05:50 pm |
Quoting robyn : this will probably go down as one the dumbest things said ever,.but i thought Belgians spoke Belgian..is there not a Belgian language?:-S sorry if it seems a little dumb |
No, Belgian people speak French or Flemish (and like Elisa said, in a small part German). Spoken it's quite different from Dutch, but written it is the same - and I have to admit Belgian people are better in Dutch, than the Dutch themselves. They almost every year win the Dutch language competition...
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 05:52 pm |
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 06:03 pm |
Quoting qdemir: Quoting Capoeira:
First you claim 'ignorance' of the knowledge of any U.S. citizen that speaks Spanish. Now you suddenly, after reading 12 names, you are acutely knowledgeable about how Latinos operate without feeling as if they belong or their refusal to be a part of the U.S. society. Also you base your arguments on immigrants living in Turkey. Then draw conclusions of ability to suceed or not in a foreign land. There are many great books out there and recent documentaries regarding the Latino immigrant and the Latino U.S. citizen. I won't name a book as it will be mocked as just 'one' out of the possibly trillions of books that have been written in our world. Good luck in doing your own research regarding a topic that you clearly know nothing about. After doing that I'll be more than glad to field a valid conversation with you on this topic.
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You don't seem so tolerant and open-minded as you are intolerent and narrow-minded, when other people talk about you. Anway I thought as much. You haven't proved me wrong.
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I'll wear your adjectives as badges of honor!
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 06:03 pm |
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25 Feb 2007 Sun 06:06 pm |
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