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10 Reasons to Switch to Linux
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1.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 24 Feb 2007 Sat 04:02 pm

1. It Doesn't Crash
Linux has been time-proven to be a reliable operating system. Although the desktop is not a new place for Linux, most Linux-based systems have been used as servers and embedded systems. High-visibility Web sites such as Google use Linux-based systems, but you also can find Linux inside the TiVo set-top box in many livingrooms.

Linux has proved to be so reliable and secure that it is commonly found in dedicated firewall and router systems used by high-profile companies to secure their networks. For more than ten years, it has not been uncommon for Linux systems to run for months or years without needing a single reboot.

2. Viruses Are Few and Far Between
Although it is possible to create a virus to target Linux systems, the design of the system itself makes it very difficult to become infected. A single user could cause local damage to his or her files by running a virus on his or her system; however, this would be an isolated instance rather than something could spread out of control.

In addition, virtually all Linux vendors offer free on-line security updates. The general philosophy of the Linux community has been to address possible security issues before they become a problem rather than hoping the susceptibility will go unnoticed.

3. Virtually Hardware-Independent
Linux was designed and written to be easily portable to different hardware. For the desktop user, this means that Linux has been and likely always will be the first operating system to take advantage of advances in hardware technology such as AMD's 64-bit processor chips.

4. Freedom of Choice
Linux offers freedom of choice as far as which manufacturer you purchase the software from as well as which application programs you wish to use. Being able to pick the manufacturer means you have a real choice as far as type of support you receive. Being open-source software, new manufacturers can enter the market to address customer needs.

Choice of application programs means that you can select the tools that best address your needs. For example, three popular word processors are available. All three are free and interoperate with Microsoft Word, but each offers unique advantages and disadvantages. The same is true of Web browsers.

5. Standards
Linux itself and many common applications follow open standards. This means an update on one system will not make other systems obsolete.

6. Applications, Applications, Applications
Each Linux distribution comes with hundreds and possibly thousands of application programs included. This alone can save you thousands of dollars for each desktop system you configure. Although this is a very small subset, consider that the OpenOffice.org office suite is included as well as the GIMP, a program similar to (and many people say more capable than Adobe Photoshop); Scribus, a document layout program similar to Quark Xpress; Evolution, an e-mail system equivalent to Microsoft's Outlook Express; and hundreds more.

For the more technically inclined, development tools, such as compilers for the C, C++, Ada, Fortran, Pascal and other languages, are included as well as Perl, PHP and Python interpreters. Editors and versioning tools also are included in this category.

Whether you are looking for Instant Messaging clients, backup tools or Web site development packages, they likely are all included within your base Linux distribution.

7. Interoperability
More and more computers are being connected to networks. No system would be complete if it did not include tools to allow it to interoperate with computers running other operating systems. Once again, Linux is very strong in this area.

Linux includes Samba, software that allows Linux to act as a client on a Microsoft Windows-based network. In fact, Samba includes server facilities such that you could run a Linux system as the server for a group of Linux and Windows-based client systems.

In addition, Linux includes software to network with Apple networks and Novell's Netware. NFS, the networking technology developed on UNIX systems also is included.

8. It's a Community Relationship, Not a Customer Relationship
Other operating systems are the products of single vendors. Linux, on the other hand, is openly developed, and this technology is shared among vendors. This means you become part of a community rather than a customer of a single manufacturer. Also, the supplier community easily can adjust to the needs of various user communities rather than spouting a "one size fits all" philosophy.

This means you can select a Linux vendor that appears to best address your needs and feel confident that you could switch vendors at a later time without losing your investment--both in terms of costs and learning.

9. It's Not How Big Your Processor Is...
Because of a combination of the internal design of Linux and development contributions from a diverse community, Linux tends to be more frugal in the use of computer resources. This may manifest itself in a single desktop system running faster with Linux than with another operating system, but the advantages go far beyond that. It is possible, for example, to configure a single Linux system to act as a terminal server and then use outdated hardware as what are called thin clients.

This server/thin client configuration makes it possible for older, less powerful hardware to share the resources of a single powerful system thus extending the life of older machines.

10. Linux Is Configurable
Linux is a true multi-user operating system. Each user can have his or her own individual configuration all on one computer. This includes the look of the desktop, what icons are displayed, what programs are started automatically when the user logs in and even what language the desktop is in.

(quote from here )

2.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 25 Feb 2007 Sun 01:43 am

the source is a magazine especially for new linux users...

3.       SunFlowerSeed
841 posts
 26 Feb 2007 Mon 04:15 pm

1. It doesn't crash..
It crashes, really, if you know how to crash it though.
Especially if you use root account to do everything.
And try to edit some very very important files trying to adapt your new hardware. I had some experiments.
But it is harder to crash it than windows.

2.Viruses Are Few and Far Between
Very very right indeed.

3.Virtually Hardware-Independent
Virtually right.
If it doesn't know how to deal with the hardware it won't work virtually. Win32 also works on 64bit desktop systems but gives you 32bit support only. Linux is clever than windows, but windows is designed for x86s only. There are other versions to work on different hardware, as far as I know.

4.Freedom of Choice
This is the best thing I like on it.
Well, but much freedom can be confusing for simple people like me. Suse, Mandriva, Ubuntu, Slackware etc...

5.Standards
Everyone has his standards. No comment on this one.
Well, there is one. You cannot compile every program with every compiler. GCC. You need the right version for that the source code standard require. And if you are missing one single library, that is bad, you are out of standard.
Kernels are not standard yet.
Standards of Suse are different than Slackware...
Actually, it is improving and developing, leaving old standards back and bringing new standards.
Keep up with the time.

6.Applications, Applications, Applications
This is one another thing that I like.
There are soooo many good and not-good applications that it is hard to choose the correct one.
You can put the above 'Well.....' here too.

7. Interoperability
Really good. As far as I know I didn't have any problem. Except making an always working network between my girlfriend's computer and mine. Sometimes works, sometimes not. But I know that it is my fault.

8.It's a Community Relationship, Not a Customer Relationship
Right. In some rare cases you will be a customer too.
For very professional systems though.

9.It's Not How Big Your Processor Is...
Perfect. Even in case of a crash in 'wish' which eats almost 90-99% of my CPU, everything works perfectly.
So I can do CTRL-ESC and kill the 'wish'.
But in windows it is even hard to get to the task manager with CTRL-ALT-DEL in some cases to kill the crashing application.

10.Linux Is Configurable
Very configurable indeed, depending on what you are configuring. Just be careful.
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It was kind of joke what I wrote above.
I didn't want to criticize Linux.
But I can say tha it is not perfect, like nothing is perfect in this world.
It may be perfect for some professional needs, but I am not a professional user.

It looks like an ad and windows has its ads too.

Try and see, I say.

4.       SunFlowerSeed
841 posts
 26 Feb 2007 Mon 04:17 pm

An addition,

As far as I know, some time ago, windows web site was managed by Linux server. I think it was before when they came with win2000. Not sure very much though.

But +1 to Linux.

5.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 26 Feb 2007 Mon 05:34 pm

I like your post, and it didn't sound to me a kind of joke at all. Anyway, overall a good approach to Linux!

Thanks!

6.       SunFlowerSeed
841 posts
 26 Feb 2007 Mon 06:30 pm

Did you try XGL or with the other name compbiz?

Vista is new and compbiz is older than it by 1-2 years if I am not wrong, still vista doesn't provide one of those features. And vista requires a powerful computer and brings a lot of incompatibility issues for this moment. It will be better later.
Well, windows was always following behind and imitating apple and Linux visually.

Linux had a perfect multi-desktop support since I knew it. Long time ago I mean. You can have it through different applications on windows. I have this by the courtesy of Nvidia drivers on my windows, but never used it and it is not as good as the Linux multi-desktop support.

XGL is turnable desktops, like a cube and you can use 4 sides/surfaces of it.
I couldn't make it work with the top and bottom surfaces.
But those surfaces help a lot when you are busy with many things on your computer at the same time.

And those jelly effects. When you minimize, maximize or drag a window.

Also have rain effect. Can be used as a screensaver.

Full support of transparency. If your eyes are good enough you can watch 2 movies on the same screen, making the top one around %25 transparent.

You can also easily drag your windows among each surfaces.

It is also aware of activity. If something happens in one of your windows in other surfaces, that surface will turn to you automatically. I am not sure of the awareness level though.

And many other features that I cannot recall now.

It also doesn't have any weird effect on your computer's speed. I really found this issue interesting. I have expected it to eat a lot from my CPU power, but it doesn't.

You can also play a game in one of the surfaces, watch a movie in another one, while surfing the web in another face and whatever you want in the last one.
Well, you need to pause the game or movie manually if you don't wanna die or don't want to miss some parts of the movie while doing another activity on another surface.
You also have chance to say applications to be visible on every surface.

The only problem, if you get it as a problem, you cannot use KDE styles when you are on XGL. But it works with KDE without any problem with gnome styles.

Could you share your ideas or experiments with me?

7.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 12:00 am

Yes, I tried both XGl + Compiz and Beryl versions in order to see if they would work with my low hardwares, and I too were surprised, as everyone trying them, they indeed worked flawlessly even with my on-board graffical card. Well, frankly speaking, they aren't much useful, except for the 4-desktop cube in the center of desktop. But, since I use Gnome desktop, on the tool bar there are already a feature to switch between 4 desktops. I find those 3D Desktop effects just eye-candy, sweet, something that would leave on everyone's face a smile. That's all.

It is however worth to mention that Microsoft will market and sell to the whole world the similar features, (called 'Aora' or something like that)inside Windows Vista as "new technology", "excellent look" and so on, and deceive millions of people again. This applies to the "tab extention" inside Internet Explorer ver.7. I am sure there are still millions of people who believe it is the invention of Microsoft. As always, it is the policy of Microsoft drives me mad!

8.       aenigma x
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 12:29 am

Quoting AllTooHuman:

It is however worth to mention that Microsoft will market and sell to the whole world the similar features, (called 'Aora' or something like that)inside Windows Vista as "new technology", "excellent look" and so on, and deceive millions of people again. This applies to the "tab extention" inside Internet Explorer ver.7. I am sure there are still millions of people who believe it is the invention of Microsoft. As always, it is the policy of Microsoft drives me mad!



Does it really matter? I have never had any problems with Microsoft so why should I change?

I have a BIG problem with companies like Coco Cola and McDonalds, but not Microsoft - sorry!

9.       KeithL
1455 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 12:35 am

Why problems with Coca-Cola and McDonald's, but not Microsoft?

10.       aenigma x
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 12:50 am

Quoting KeithL:

Why problems with Coca-Cola and McDonald's, but not Microsoft?



Ouh I need to sleep ...but basically because Microsoft are just a very successful company! People dont like them because they dominate the industry and push out competitors but if it belonged to any sensible business man, they would do the same given half the chance.

McDonalds and Coca Cola go deeper. They fund political groups and unethical practices. Not many people know that their choice of Pepsi or Coke is a political one which funds either the US democratic or republican parties! They also influence the drug industry and fund vital research such as the effects of sugar on children to ensure that the results are not unfavourable to their product.

I could go on, but have an early start tomorrow

11.       KeithL
1455 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 12:55 am

OK....go sleep...

12.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 02:02 am

Quoting aenigma x:


Does it really matter?



Yes! Matters! I never let them to tell me tons of lies, looking me in the eye! I do know Microsoft does gaze into my pocket, my $600 in my pocket; but, O, it has got nothing from pocket, going away empty-handed!

Quoting aenigma x:


I have never had any problems with Microsoft so why should I change?



Aanndddd...this is your problem! lol

Quoting aenigma x:


I have a BIG problem with companies like Coco Cola and McDonalds, but not Microsoft - sorry!



What a paradox/contrast! As if any one of the three were different than the other two!

Quoting aenigma x:

They fund...unethical practices



Here is to you "just" one unethical practice. I know you will be sad, but this will be from your honorable, upright, and highly ethic company-Microsoft!

You and I have, let's say, a commercial relationship. You use Microsoft Office, and I, OpenOffice; and you send me a very important document, say, a word document. I do have to open it, but...what is it? I can't open it, because it is not compatible with OpenOffice, namely Open Document Standards. This is what Mr.Gates has currently worked on! Too ethical, isn't it?

13.       aenigma x
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 11:03 am

Quoting AllTooHuman:

You and I have, let's say, a commercial relationship. You use Microsoft Office, and I, OpenOffice; and you send me a very important document, say, a word document. I do have to open it, but...what is it? I can't open it, because it is not compatible with OpenOffice, namely Open Document Standards. This is what Mr.Gates has currently worked on! Too ethical, isn't it?



Hmmm which is more important.

(1) A company which is creating a water shortage in India, dumps hazardous waste, suppresses medical research, funds political parties....
OR
(2) Not being able to open a word document!!!!!!!!!!!

14.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 01:02 pm

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:

As far as I know, some time ago, windows web site was managed by Linux server. I think it was before when they came with win2000. Not sure very much though.



I bit of an urban myth......

Windows was developed as an operating system for desktop computers - not for web servers therefore MicroSoft naturally did not use their own products for hosting their website. However, they did NOT use Linux - they used IBM's AIX which is a heavywieght commercial operating system.

MicroSoft continued to use AIX for its update servers until very recently (they may still do so). Until Windows2003 Server (Web Edition), MS has not produced a dedicated fully fledged web server. It is a little bit like saying that a BMW garage shouldn't use Mercedes vans - they do it because BMW don't make a van!!!

15.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 01:27 pm

Quoting AllTooHuman:

2. Viruses Are Few and Far Between
Although it is possible to create a virus to target Linux systems, the design of the system itself makes it very difficult to become infected. A single user could cause local damage to his or her files by running a virus on his or her system; however, this would be an isolated instance rather than something could spread out of control.

In addition, virtually all Linux vendors offer free on-line security updates. The general philosophy of the Linux community has been to address possible security issues before they become a problem rather than hoping the susceptibility will go unnoticed.



This is absolute twaddle......

It is indeed true that a Linux virus is a rare thing but it has nothing to do with the design of the operating system. A modern Windows system (2000 or XP) that uses the NTFS file system offers the same intrinsic protection as is described above. There are three reasons for the lack of viruses in Linux:

1. The easiest way for a virus to spread in through infection of home computers. There are very very few Linux computers in home environments so very few targets for the virus to infect. If you are going to go to the trouble of writing a virus then it is best to write it so it can actually infect some computers!!!

2. Linux is almost entirely used by people with above average computer knowledge. Such people will have taken security steps to prevent a virus in the first place and will be able to effectively contain/remove any virus that does make it onto their computer.

3. A large majority of people capable of writing a virus are Linux supporters. If they write a Linux virus then they are undermining this condinued arguement that Linux is virus free!!!

It is actually the case that Linux is EASIER to write a virus for than Windows. This is due to a number of reasons including the greater exposure of the kernel APIs to any code and better documentation of the kernel APIs. Also ironically the greater choice that Linux provides also makes tracking down viruses much more difficult. I am confident that if for some reason, Linux were to suddenly become anything like as popular as Windows as a home operating system, there would be far more Linux viruses than there are Windows!

16.       SunFlowerSeed
841 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 02:16 pm

Thanks for the info on MS Servers.

--- Viruses Are Few and Far Between ---

Linux is more open than windows. So it is easier to write a virus for Linux systems than windows.

I don't have detailed info on kernels, but you NEED to COMPILE the virus for your kernel flavor.
And if you are not a good programmer then there is a chance that your virus will not work on every kernels.
There can be direct ways to run a virus on Linux, but your file system may or may not allow executions of direct system calls. Ext2, ext3, ResiserFS, JFS etc...
Well of course there is possibility to have a virus working independently from kernels or file systems etc if there is such programmers.
There are development groups independent from each other as you know. Kernel, X, File systems etc. So if you don't want your virus to fail, you have to know very details of those things, this includes reading of millions lines of source codes.

But the main threat is EXPLOITS as far as I know. There are many exploits to use on Linux computers. Such as kernel, X, file system exploits as well as many application exploits which helps the executer to have root(GOD ?) rights on your system. And I always say that the most stupid person is cleverer than a virus if he has root rights on your system.
But the weakest point of those exploits is they require the exact version of applications. An exploit, working on XXX.10.2.15 will not work on XXX.10.2.16.
So do your updates daily.

I am happy with auto-update application on Suse.
It usually updates 1-2 applications everyday automatically, thus decreasing the chance of infection with an exploit.
Updates depend on your software installed. You may or may not have an update everyday.
I am not sure how many system updates that I am getting from auto-update system. I usually click update button without checking what they are about.

And on windows aspect, nobody knows anything about the kernel, I mean the source code is one of the top-secrets in the world, but this also prevents antivirus programmers to clean the virus if you are infected.
Except some very very hidden APIs, most of the APIs in the win kernel are known to people to allow them do their programming on windows. If not, we wouldn't have most of the great softwares.
And also because of NTFS source code is not known to people and because it has some things like NTFS streams, if I recall right, which are not visible to operating system, it is really hard to get rid of some infections.
I had once, a malware. I don't know where did I get it but I was about to format all my disks to get rid of it.
User rights on windows are really annoying. You cannot install or make changes in the system if you are not an administrator. This is the correct thing actually, but sometimes it really annoys. As I cannot burn my cd from my user account. CD burning software says that I don't have the right to burn a CD and warns me to switch to administrator account. So I usually use an administrator account for my daily works. I think most of the people out there are doing the same thing. So it is really easy to be infected on windows.
And it is true that it gets more attention from virus writers, because it has millions of users.

Why do I force myself to write a virus which will only work on kernel version xxx.xxx.xxx and not work on xxx.xxx.xxx.1
I do it on windows easily, because there are not much versions to think about.

Anyway, I just wanted to share some of my thoughts.

May the god protect your computers from viruses

17.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 02:45 pm

Quoting aenigma x:


Hmmm which is more important.



This question itself is unimportant! If you are talking about "being (and, similarly, not being) ethical", and you stay accordingly in the field of ethic, you can't separate things into groups- very important, important, and unimportant. Thus there is no noteworthy difference between, for instance, killing one single person and killing billion people; a company to create a water shortage in India and a company ('Just do it') to employ people, who have to work 45 days to be able to buy a single pair of Nike shoes, for such a monthly payment; occupying Iraq and not letting people open your documents.

If there isn't one of these, the any other one, believe me, cannot have a chance to exist! And, I won't even say what if that document had been a love letter rather than a business one! lol

18.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 02:52 pm

Quoting bod:

[ It is a little bit like saying that a BMW garage shouldn't use Mercedes vans - they do it because BMW don't make a van!!!



Sure! But wouldn't you find it a bit strange, improper that BMW uses Mercedes vans while it has a Mercedes complex, while it does its best to do evil actions to Mercedes (e.g.filing charges against Mercedes for no relevant reasons, slanders on Mercedes)? Microsoft, too, is welcome to use Linux servers, of course; Linux community would be only happy for this. But just consider what it tries to do to Open Source (Linux) Community.

19.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 02:56 pm

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Quoting aenigma x:


Hmmm which is more important.



This question itself is unimportant!



I think Aenigma's question is infinitely more important than your evangelism for Linux.....those who wish to Linux now (thankfully) have enough sources of information about how to obtain it, install it and operate it. For the vast majority of people, Windows is the obvious and correct choice for their home computer!

I do not understand why you feel the need to open (at least) two threads plugging Linux - especially when you have only copied a very biased (and partially inaccurate) article from a Linux source......

20.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 03:01 pm

Bod and speaking technically and formal...

That must be the end of the world!!

21.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 03:03 pm

Quoting bod:


1. The easiest way for a virus to spread in through infection of home computers. There are very very few Linux computers in home environments so very few targets for the virus to infect. If you are going to go to the trouble of writing a virus then it is best to write it so it can actually infect some computers!!!



You are absolutely right! I think anyone, including Linux geniuses, would claim the same; since what you said are so logical. However, let the facts speak:

The Apache web server, which is open source software, has the biggest market share (over %70 if I am not wrong); but it is still suffers from much fewer attacks than the Microsoft one. Why?

Quoting bod:


2. Linux is almost entirely used by people with above average computer knowledge. Such people will have taken security steps to prevent a virus in the first place and will be able to effectively contain/remove any virus that does make it onto their computer.



What does this do with disadvantages of using Linux or advantages of using Windows? This (way) or that (way), isn't it still Linux itself, the success of Linux, that make its users take security steps by raising naturally them above the average computer knowledge?

Quoting bod:


3. A large majority of people capable of writing a virus are Linux supporters. If they write a Linux virus then they are undermining this condinued arguement that Linux is virus free!!!



It should be noted that a Linux user and a Linux supporter is not necessarily the same thing all the time. There may be people writing viruses for Windows platform by making use of Linux machines; but I am sure they choose Linux for that purpose, for they are very well aware of the fact that Windows is too bad to use even for such a evil purpose! lol

Quoting bod:

This is due to a number of reasons including the greater exposure of the kernel APIs to any code and better documentation of the kernel APIs.



Thank you for giving us a good clue of how any security flaw in Linux is overcome by Linux community within less than several hours as well as of why you should wait for months in similar case of Windows, which mostly ends with a fiasco!

22.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 03:08 pm

Quoting bod:

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Quoting aenigma x:


Hmmm which is more important.



This question itself is unimportant!



I think Aenigma's question is infinitely more important than your evangelism for Linux.....those who wish to Linux now (thankfully) have enough sources of information about how to obtain it, install it and operate it. For the vast majority of people, Windows is the obvious and correct choice for their home computer!

I do not understand why you feel the need to open (at least) two threads plugging Linux - especially when you have only copied a very biased (and partially inaccurate) article from a Linux source......



Hey-why are you angry with me and do you blame me?

23.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 03:25 pm

Quoting AllTooHuman:

The Apache web server, which is open source software, has the biggest market share (over %70 if I am not wrong); but it is still suffers from much fewer attacks than the Microsoft one. Why?



I don't have any figures for Apache use but I would guess it is higher than 70% of the world's webservers. However, Apache has some very elaborate mechanisms for keeping any third party code well away from the underlying operating system. The largest scale of these is by "sandboxing" all operations in a protecive "wrapper" - within that wrapper are lots of other means of isolating the code from both the operating system and the relavent compiler or interpreter. Additionally Apache allows third party code very limited access to disk and other I/O systems and redirects ALL language streams!

I write code that runs in an Apache sandbox all the time so understand the restrictions and security measures that are in place! Incidentally, the same security is true for Apache running on Windows, Linux, HP-UNIX, AIX and Solaris operating systems.

Now I must get on with writing some code that I have to write that will be running on a Debian Linux installation and makes use of some very low level kernel APIs

24.       libralady
5152 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 03:30 pm

You are so hung up on Mircosoft that you must have nightmares about them,

'Bill Gates creeps into your room at night, he opens your computer, shock horror, you don't subscribe to Microsoft, but you have some other (sorry I have never heard of it)software. EEEEEEKKKK what shall I do :-S , (check that AllTooHuman is sleeping ). Sleeping like a baby, HeHe, I will remove the Linux software and replace with Microsoft'

Oh no AllTooHuman has woken from his dream, just in time it seems, a cold seat running from his brow.......... phew! I still have my trusty Linux software, I better sleep with my computer, just in case

25.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 03:32 pm

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Hey-why are you angry with me and do you blame me?



I am not angry with you......
I just don't understand why we needed two posts that did nothing to add to the existing articles such as this one which you quoted!!!

I also thought I came here to learn Turkish - I already know enough about Windows, Linux, UNIX and Solaris to know which I want to use for what purpose.....I make those decisions for a living and doubt that anyone could possibly come up with a single commercial reason to use Linux in a desktop environment

26.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 03:34 pm

Quoting libralady:

Oh no AllTooHuman has woken from his dream, just in time it seems, a cold seat running from his brow.......... phew! I still have my trusty Linux software, I better sleep with my computer, just in case



lol lol ** GiGGLe ** lol lol

27.       libralady
5152 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 03:36 pm

And as for unethical Companies:

Nike
Reebok
Coca Cola
McDonalds
Disney
Apple
Walmart
Gap

and these are the ones I can think off the top of my head.

28.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 03:45 pm

Quoting libralady:

And as for unethical Companies:

Nike
Reebok
Coca Cola
McDonalds
Disney
Apple
Walmart
Gap

and these are the ones I can think off the top of my head.



Apple???
How so???

29.       libralady
5152 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:12 pm

Quoting bod:

Quoting libralady:

And as for unethical Companies:

Nike
Reebok
Coca Cola
McDonalds
Disney
Apple
Walmart
Gap

and these are the ones I can think off the top of my head.



Apple???
How so???



There was a huge article in the Mail and also from a contact I have in Hong Kong who investgate social and ethical activities in Chinese factories, it was discovered that they were not paying the minimum wage, the dormitories blocks were locked at night (a dangerous practice) they were not paid overtime at the right rate and the were fined for breaking disciplinary rules, to below the miminum wage which is illegal.

This is the Ipod factory (Foxcom)where they employ something like 200,000 workers.

But if you really investigated, many large organisations have unethical practices and I mentioned once before that if we boycotted every unethical supplier we would never buy anything.

30.       aenigma x
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:13 pm

AllTooHuman I think YOU of all people will love this joke....



http://www.gameweb.cz/loadVid.php?id=83

31.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:18 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

AllTooHuman I think YOU of all people will love this joke....



http://www.gameweb.cz/loadVid.php?id=83



Busy day at work eh Miss A Enigma???

32.       aenigma x
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:19 pm

Quoting bod:

Quoting aenigma x:

AllTooHuman I think YOU of all people will love this joke....



http://www.gameweb.cz/loadVid.php?id=83



Busy day at work eh Miss A Enigma???



Quiet day sweetie - finished at 3pm And its AEnigma grrrrrrrrr!

33.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 07:40 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

And its AEnigma grrrrrrrrr!



Sorry sweetie Miss A AEnigma lol

34.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 09:31 pm

Quoting bod:


I don't have any figures for Apache use but I would guess it is higher than 70% of the world's webservers. However, Apache has some very elaborate mechanisms for keeping any third party code well away from the underlying operating system. The largest scale of these is by "sandboxing" all operations in a protecive "wrapper" - within that wrapper are lots of other means of isolating the code from both the operating system and the relavent compiler or interpreter. Additionally Apache allows third party code very limited access to disk and other I/O systems and redirects ALL language streams!

I write code that runs in an Apache sandbox all the time so understand the restrictions and security measures that are in place! Incidentally, the same security is true for Apache running on Windows, Linux, HP-UNIX, AIX and Solaris operating systems.

Now I must get on with writing some code that I have to write that will be running on a Debian Linux installation and makes use of some very low level kernel APIs



Thanks for the explanation bod! So, the problem, as clearly seen from the example Apache and as you asserted, is not popularity, not because Windows is used world wide or Linux by very few!

Quoting bod:

There are very very few Linux computers in home environments so very few targets for the virus to infect.


Quoting bod:

I am confident that if for some reason, Linux were to suddenly become anything like as popular as Windows as a home operating system, there would be far more Linux viruses than there are Windows!

35.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 09:38 pm

Quoting bod:


I just don't understand why we needed two posts...



You contribute to Linux (Community) by writing code; and I, by propagandizing!

Quoting bod:

I also thought I came here to learn Turkish - I already know enough about Windows, Linux, UNIX and Solaris to know which I want to use for what purpose.....



It goes without saying that both quotes were posted not to take aim at you. And you know, except for several, none of who is a Turkish learner, no Turkish learner comes here to check out what you are eating, drinking, wearing, listening, telling today; this site is none-the-less where people can learn Turkish, right?

36.       libralady
5152 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 09:41 pm

Quoting AllTooHuman:



It goes without saying that both quotes were posted not to take aim at you. And you know, except for several, none of who is a Turkish learner, no Turkish learner comes here to check out what you are eating, drinking, wearing, listening, telling today; this site is none-the-less where people can learn Turkish, right?



and write posts about nightmares

37.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 09:41 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

AllTooHuman I think YOU of all people will love this joke....



http://www.gameweb.cz/loadVid.php?id=83



lol lol So sweet! Thanks for that!

38.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 09:42 pm

Quoting libralady:

Quoting AllTooHuman:



It goes without saying that both quotes were posted not to take aim at you. And you know, except for several, none of who is a Turkish learner, no Turkish learner comes here to check out what you are eating, drinking, wearing, listening, telling today; this site is none-the-less where people can learn Turkish, right?



and write posts about nightmares



lol

39.       libralady
5152 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 10:10 pm

Quoting AllTooHuman:



lol



Sssshhhhh!! AllToHuman is lost for words!

40.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 10:46 pm

Quoting libralady:



Sssshhhhh!! AllToHuman is lost for words!



Have you, too, started to astrologer, or you are already a bad sample of it?


lol

41.       bod
5999 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 10:50 pm

Quoting AllTooHuman:

You contribute to Linux (Community) by writing code; and I, by propagandizing!



I do not contribute to the Linux community or to the Windows community (if such a thing exists!)

I write code for one of two reasons:
- because I am paid to do so
- because I want that code for myself
The Linux code I wrote earlier I was being paid for

To be honest, most code I write is designed to run under Linux - but that is because most of it is either for specialist applications or for use on a server. And Linux (or some flavour of UNIX) is well suited to servers.

42.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 10:52 pm

Quoting bod:


I write code for one of two reasons:
- because I am paid to do so
- because I want that code for myself
The Linux code I wrote earlier I was being paid for



It is good not only for you, but also for us!

Thanks!

43.       libralady
5152 posts
 27 Feb 2007 Tue 11:34 pm

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Quoting libralady:



Sssshhhhh!! AllToHuman is lost for words!



Have you, too, started to astrologer, or you are already a bad sample of it?


lol



I am definitely a bad sample? (What ever you mean by that), but I am bad anyway

44.       aenigma x
0 posts
 28 Feb 2007 Wed 12:24 am

Quoting AllTooHuman:

no Turkish learner comes here to check out what you are eating, drinking, wearing, listening, telling today; this site is none-the-less where people can learn Turkish, right?



Spoken from the man who bought us such educational posts as:-

Proof that girls are evil
****** is looking for his roxanne!
Urgent help I need a mainboard
Picture you dedicate to your love
I need your help on French
Where is the oddness

lol


45.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 28 Feb 2007 Wed 01:29 am

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Yes! Matters! I never let them to tell me tons of lies, looking me in the eye! I do know Microsoft does gaze into my pocket, my $600 in my pocket; but, O, it has got nothing from pocket, going away empty-handed!



bah!! just use a burnt copy of windows vista!! then mr gates won't get the cash!!

46.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 28 Feb 2007 Wed 05:48 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

Quoting AllTooHuman:

no Turkish learner comes here to check out what you are eating, drinking, wearing, listening, telling today; this site is none-the-less where people can learn Turkish, right?



Spoken from the man who bought us such educational posts as:-

Proof that girls are evil
****** is looking for his roxanne!
Urgent help I need a mainboard
Picture you dedicate to your love
I need your help on French
Where is the oddness

lol




You don't need no education
You need thought control
Dark sarcasm in the classrom
But I will leave you kids alone
All in all you are just another brick in the wall

lol

47.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 28 Feb 2007 Wed 05:53 pm

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Quoting aenigma x:

Quoting AllTooHuman:

no Turkish learner comes here to check out what you are eating, drinking, wearing, listening, telling today; this site is none-the-less where people can learn Turkish, right?



Spoken from the man who bought us such educational posts as:-

Proof that girls are evil
****** is looking for his roxanne!
Urgent help I need a mainboard
Picture you dedicate to your love
I need your help on French
Where is the oddness

lol




You don't need no education
You need thought control
Dark sarcasm in the classrom
But I will leave you kids alone
All in all you are just another brick in the wall

lol


lollol

48.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 28 Feb 2007 Wed 05:54 pm

Quoting gezbelle:

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Yes! Matters! I never let them to tell me tons of lies, looking me in the eye! I do know Microsoft does gaze into my pocket, my $600 in my pocket; but, O, it has got nothing from pocket, going away empty-handed!



bah!! just use a burnt copy of windows vista!! then mr gates won't get the cash!!



While there are already so much better and free, as in both freedom and free beer, operating systems, such as Linux and Solaris, what would be the point in burning a copy of Windows Vista? Vista is not worth, believe me, wasting even a single 1 penny CD-R!

I don't let them waste even a single of my CD-Rs!

lol

49.       Capoeira
575 posts
 28 Feb 2007 Wed 06:01 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

Quoting AllTooHuman:

no Turkish learner comes here to check out what you are eating, drinking, wearing, listening, telling today; this site is none-the-less where people can learn Turkish, right?



Spoken from the man who bought us such educational posts as:-

Proof that girls are evil
****** is looking for his roxanne!
Urgent help I need a mainboard
Picture you dedicate to your love
I need your help on French
Where is the oddness

lol



+100000000000000000000000000000

50.       aenigma x
0 posts
 28 Feb 2007 Wed 07:26 pm

Quoting AllTooHuman:

You don't need no education
You need thought control
Dark sarcasm in the classrom
But I will leave you kids alone
All in all you are just another brick in the wall

lol



As a regular contributor in the past to the posts you are ridiculing, I can only assume you have made an amazing transformation in the past ummmmm 15 hours?

Anyway, I am proud of my childishness Lord protect me from this adult world...

51.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 12:33 am

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Quoting gezbelle:

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Yes! Matters! I never let them to tell me tons of lies, looking me in the eye! I do know Microsoft does gaze into my pocket, my $600 in my pocket; but, O, it has got nothing from pocket, going away empty-handed!



bah!! just use a burnt copy of windows vista!! then mr gates won't get the cash!!



While there are already so much better and free, as in both freedom and free beer, operating systems, such as Linux and Solaris, what would be the point in burning a copy of Windows Vista? Vista is not worth, believe me, wasting even a single 1 penny CD-R!

I don't let them waste even a single of my CD-Rs!

lol



true, i wouldn't even install vista for another few years or so, until they iron out the bugs at least

erm...how much exactly are cd-rs over there??

besides, you borrow your friend's burnt copy

52.       bod
5999 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 12:46 am

Quoting aenigma x:

Anyway, I am proud of my childishness Lord protect me from this adult world...



If he doesn't then the Catcher in the Rye might just

53.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 03:00 am

Quoting gezbelle:


until they iron out the bugs at least



To iron out the bugs? Hehehe! Just remember the fiascos Service Pack 1&2! To debug, according to Microsoft, is nothing but to bug. lol

Quoting gezbelle:

erm...how much exactly are cd-rs over there??



Actually it depends, I think yet you would here buy one for 200 kuruş (about 7 pence or $0.15). If you ordered bulk purchases, it would be even more cheaper. So, do you think you would get bulk purchases of Vistas for under 7 pence each?

Quoting gezbelle:

besides, you borrow your friend's burnt copy



..which is also unethical. After all, we should respect Copyrights and Intellectual Properties, shouldn't we?

lol

54.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 03:03 am

Quoting bod:


If he doesn't then the Catcher in the Rye might just



might Rye the doesn't Catcher then he the just if.

55.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 03:29 am

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Quoting bod:


If he doesn't then the Catcher in the Rye might just



might Rye the doesn't Catcher then he the just if.



speaking of behaving like an adult lol

56.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 03:40 am

Quoting AllTooHuman:

Quoting gezbelle:

erm...how much exactly are cd-rs over there??



Actually it depends, I think yet you would here buy one for 200 kuruş (about 7 pence or $0.15). If you ordered bulk purchases, it would be even more cheaper. So, do you think you would get bulk purchases of Vistas for under 7 pence each?


why would you want bulk purchases of vista???

Quoting AllTooHuman:


Quoting gezbelle:

besides, you borrow your friend's burnt copy



..which is also unethical. After all, we should respect Copyrights and Intellectual Properties, shouldn't we?

lol



oh, are you protecting the copyright and intellectual properties of mr gates now??

57.       SunFlowerSeed
841 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 04:29 am

I just wished that they made Vista language changeable on demand. <- Not a clear sentence I think. ->

In my Linux, I can change system language to any language I want with just one logout and login.
Not all though, some application which doesn't support other languages remain in English.

But it is nice to use most of the programs, in your own language.

Say, a foreign friend of your came into your house and needs computing for some reasons and he/she doesn't know a word or enough words to use your computer. Then you can change it to his/her language with some clicks in Linux.

I bought my notebook when I was in Italy. But the pre-installed system was in Italian.(windows xp)
I had hard time using windows till I get back to Turkey. Then formatting and installing a new windows xp in Turkish did the work. But Linux helped a lot during this time. I got a Linux DVD when I bought a computer magazine in Italy that costs 9 euros. I chose Turkish in the setup menu. I also added Italian for Italian friends there. So there were no problem. When I logged in it was Turkish. When they logged in it was in Italian to use.

Nice, isn't it?

58.       SunFlowerSeed
841 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 10:54 am

Had my weekly crash just some minutes ago.
I am happy that I click SAVE button on my document in Hangul 2007 before it happened.
It was Lan Cable this time.
The internet connection speed was so low that I couldn't open any site on Firefox.
There were many applications working at the same time.
Firefox with 6 tabs, Hangul 2007, Hangul Dictionary, Music Player, MSN with some chat windows and many background processes. I could feel the slowness in the computer but it was OK. But net speed killed me.
So I took of the lan cable, just to reset the NET service.
It was ok when I plugged it off. I waited some minutes then plugged it back. I was waiting for ''Lan cable ....'' message. It didn't appear. I waited for some more time, due to running applications could slow down the discovery.
Then I moved the mouse and tried to click on msn, but it didn't reply to my click. Then CTRL-ALT-DEL. O-oh. Nothing appeared. I could see that something was going on with the harddisk. Waited for the harddisk light to go off. Did another CTRL-ALT-DEL. Nothing again. CAPS lock light was working though. So I turned off the computer completely.
Did a restart. Then did a scandisk. But windows cannot do scandisk on C. It required another restart.
Now, back to my study after loosing a long important time because of the crash. Thanks Firefox that it restores all my tabs back after a crash. I can just hope windows restored everything back after scandisk.
There is a menu, you can get with F8 when windows is starting.
But there is no SCANDISK command on this menu. And windows doesn't do auto-scandisk after a crash while restarting.
It crashes so strongly that it cannot notice that it is crashed

Hope Vista is clever enough to notice it crashed, and does a scandisk after a power-off restart sequence.

59.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 04:36 pm

Quoting gezbelle:


why would you want bulk purchases of vista???



I would want to cause them to fancy that they did really a perfect job and Vista were appreciated by millions! lol

Quoting gezbelle:


oh, are you protecting the copyright and intellectual properties of mr gates now??



Theoretically -yes; practically- no!

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