generally women consider that


a)men are handsome bcos they are rich
b)they are intelligent bcos they are rich
c)they are intelligent bcos they are handsome

so probably there have been never such a kind of men

I'm a sucker for intelligent, witty men. If they're handsome I wouldn't mind either of course And if they're rich too, well, so much the better
But only handsome and/or rich without the intellect/wittiness, no thanks.

wow... if a guy has all of this... hes some lucky fella... and so is his girlfriend!! hehe

Well, handsome, intelligent and rich? if that's all he has then he's not that great! heheh
Generally ramayan is right but there are also some women who think their man is handsome because they love him!

yeah... one moral in life is to expect and hope for nothing as then, anything good that does come ones way can be classed as a bonus

this is all subjective talk ramayan, don't take it too deeply to your big heart .

Well sometimes we're attracted to the guy just because he's HOT!!!!!!

Well not me! Handsome men are usually vain or gay!

not always..
i ve always thought that this is a lie that the ugly boys and girls are telling
even if it is like you say, you are not denying that you would like to have such a handsome man in your life.. when you see hot guy, you are thinking "oh.. i wish he was intelligent.. because i want him so much"

ugly or not ugly, if he pampers himself like a barbie doll, he's definitely vain .

i think women dont know what they really want.. thats why i like you this much

hehehe, you just proved that that's the only type of girls you know (or look for) and never took the time to understand them better. no wonder you have such weird ideas and the idea of caveman fits your needs so well . heheh, couldn't resist this comment . sorry patience, I'm sure you're a great man!

no.. i may know only one type of girls.. but thats at least the 95% of them (i have to say that 95% could be a very optimistic rate)
you want you men to be nice looking.. but when they do that they are gays.. or you look for an intelligent man.. but when you find them you start to think you re not good enough for him.. or why doesnt he look good, too?
i was talking about you, ma'm..
and i dont think my ideas to be weird.. they are just so honest that they seem hard to belive
i know girls.. and i know that they may start to hate something they like in me before.. in long terms, it is impossible to keep you happy and satisfied.. so if a man wants to be remembered and loved all the time, he should take it short..

The statistical likelihood of being sucked into a washing machine, is pretty much the same as being attacked by dogs, wolves, drug crazed 'bad' people, in the middle of a quiet turkish fishing town in broad daylight OOL

this conversation is really good . do you know the difference between male and female brain? well, men solve problems quicker but women are WAY BETTER in analyzing complex ideas. hmmm... in the light of this knowlegde, I start thinking that maybe you just don't get it caveman .

On the other hand, Turkish women might be a little ambiguous at times - desparately trying to be themselves and express themselves but then quickly stumbling on the idea of the big man... almost like a semi-god and absolute dictator telling them what to wear, how to cook, how to spend her time, what her job is, thinking that they have to control and watch her all the time, as if she was a baby... now I see .

I like somebody, really very, very,exciting. Only met one in my life. He was an RAF pilot, he used to pick me up run me across the road. Sang and played the guitar beautifully. Had a little green sportscar, he used to call his little green gooseberry.

He was witty, intelligent and vivacious.
Also always took me somewhere, pictures or for a drink.

I once read a report on him by his commander. It said Flying Officer G. is an exuberant extrovert, he is over confident in the air, and very noisy on the ground.

Last I heard he was flying passengers in private airlines. I often wonder if he is flying the plane, I travel on.

i guess you already got that but i have to say that i am an old minded person most of the times.. and i want to be the one who is leading the things.. of course there should be a limit for this.. in most occasions i want my woman be stong and i d like to think that she can do things by her own.. like you have told us about that turkish guy in your posted essay "being looked after"; holding her hands passing across the street, doing the shopping for her, waiting outside the restroom while she is in the restroom at a restaurant.. these are the things that some kind of a weak man without self-confidence will do.. and the best thing for a woman in such a condition will be leaving him and finding herself a stronger man
but still i think that you are really in need of being leaded or looked after.. even you my dear Lyndie.. you just said it yourself..

Dear patience, I think that you are not getting the full scope of the discussion/topic. What you're saying is right - men have some special needs of their own and so do women, these needs always clash when people are in their puberty/teenage years or if they never fully grow up! However, when people fully mature, and I say fully - because some people can be mature about some things but completely ignorant about others (usually sexual behaviour is one of them.... it's a long subject, I'm sure you'll get me wrong here), so when people grow up, they can choose and control their behaviour! Although, you'd feel like going out to a bar to drink and talk dirty jokes, although it might feel like a desire, at the end it's just a habit and not doing it doesn't inhibit one's healthy sexual/psychological life, therefore a mature, grown up man chooses to come home to take care of his responsibilities as a husband and (possibly) a father instead of following his caveman instincts!
After all, it's all a personal choice and depends on how the person grew up, what he was taught to be right and wrong, how strong he is!!!, how much depth he sees in life, etc... I can't tell you 'live like this or you'll be punished', but a life in which you're capable to strive for the ultimate values is life lived to the fullest and with more depth and satisfaction.
One day you will be old and bold and your kids will ask you "how did you handle your life when you were my age?", would you want to lie to them and be ashamed of yourself or proudly teach them how not to get trapped in dirty, full of traps or lies life and still get the full satisfaction from your sexuality and youth.

We are not continuing here the discussion from teh forum about 'women and their attitude to men'. This is a completely different topic and first of all, the man you read about in the essay is not a weak man, he was just raised differently. Don't judge too easily before you make the necessary effort to understand the complexity of the situation.
I must agree with you on one thing though - girls are usually raised in a bad way. Many of them feel like they need to be taken care of by their partners and that's a social problem. It's because our societies (especially ones like in Turkey) don't consider women as strong and independent. If you go to some other countries, you'll see that women there are raised completely different. You know that if you tell someone that he's stupid forty times, he will become stupid for you - this is just something to help you understand.

i would like to add that besides riches brines appearance there is some inner strength..i mean man must be real man and personal qualities.and in some cases it becames more importantas for appearance.there is expression "a man should be a little more handsome than monkey"

so much for men!

and what about women - what do guys look for.

Brains like Pamela Stephenson and a body like Iris Murdoch. Shucks do I have that right?

i think it would interesting now to see what a lot of men look for in women... i can predict a few of their desires in a woman but i dont want to cause a havoc, i'll keep them to myself and wait here to see what the guyz can come up with hehe

im sure i will... but ull have to wait... sabret... hehe im waiting for some more replies... urs too actually... hadi bakalım...

Here's a list.

Blonde, redhead or brunette.
Rich.
Tall, average or short.
Rich and mighty generous.
Built or not so built.
Slim or cuddly.
Literate.
Introvert or extrovert
Kind (by the way rich and generous)

Did I miss anything out?

u certianly didnt miss out "rich" hehe... u vulture...

I have been called worse things.

I could even take it as a compliment. Imagine the supreme cleaner of dead and rotting matter and it flies!