Quoting MrX67:

i think everythings will be nicer and world will be more livable when we all feel our problems to others to,so world need more humanist politicans away from selfish nationalist ideas..thx for the nice link vine

Quoting vineyards:

So, what must be done?

Quoting vineyards:

Carter was in office in the cold war era. He was first known as the peanut king. As far as I remember he has a farming background. He adopted a peaceful approach but became a victim of the circumstances instead when the other pole (Soviet Union) wanted to take advantage of his passivism. A series of hardliners were in power than and the President's consultants were in favour of responding to stern policies with stern policies. On the whole, he cannot be compared to the Bushes or Clinton. Interestingly, Carter was succeeded by a series of hardliners whereas in Russia a serious of more moderate leaders were in office.

Quoting libralady:

maybe one of the only ones that did not have a history either, or affairs etc!

Quoting aenigma x:

For the record, Carter's administration brought the U.S. some of its worst economic conditions in living memory - with soaring interest and inflation rates.

His human rights policy led to disaster in Nicaragua and Iran. If the U.S. had supported the Shah or his successors, the history of the past 25 years in the Middle East would have been very different, and the Iranian people would have fared much better. Carter's weakness in dealing with the Soviet Union gave them confidence to move further into the Third World. By letting the Soviets know he would not respond if they invaded Afghanistan, Carter spawned a war that ultimately saw one million dead Afghans, five million displaced, and a situation of evil that nurtured the Islamic hatred and militancy that ultimately turned on the West and brought about 9/11.

Great president?
Personally I would rather see a good president in control with a dubious personal life!

Quoting vineyards:

Some people have the ability of sensing whether someone is good or bad. My senses tell me Carter is a good person. I cannot feel that way for the presidents that succeeded him.
(By the way, I am a male).

Quoting vineyards:

Some people have the ability of sensing whether someone is good or bad. My senses tell me Carter is a good person. I cannot feel that way for the presidents that succeeded him.
(By the way, I am a male).

Quoting vineyards:

Was that Keanu Reeves? I prefer Eyes Wide Shut though.

So what was the topic?

Quoting vineyards:

When do you think the US will have a female president or a colored one?

Quoting aenigma x:

Quoting vineyards:

When do you think the US will have a female president or a colored one?

Quoting vineyards:

With all due respect, it takes me one second to keep up with the most up-to-date American jargon no matter how my own language environment is pretty independent from that as my preferences favour intimacy to political correctness.

My emphasis here is on the time it takes for the American people to get used to the idea.

I adopted "colored" from Roger Waters lyrics which are usually from the early 80's. He is one of the most intellectual persons, I have ever listened to and I have no doubt about his command of English and sensitivity in this regard.

So, if we were living in George Orwell's world, Roger would browse the archives and correct all his past references to other races and claim:Hey, I have never said anything like that.


I find it really pathetic tokenizing a word first then questioning its politicall correctness and replacing it with another one which will soon become banished like the same.

There are some universal rules that apply to all languages.
Words do not mean anything on their own. They just have assigned meanings. Ethnic definitions may contain metaphors or color names. You may call a black person a black person or a negro because that person is black and that is what makes him look different from other races. The problem here is feeling comfortable with the idea of being black.

The name of my country is Turkey, and you eat Turkey on thanksgiving day. The UK newspapers depict Turkey the land as turkey the bird wearing a fez. Can you kill a stereotype? They actually attempted to do that. Responsible organizations from around the country wrote letters to their business counterparts in the UK, US and elsewhere asking them to refer to Turkey as Turkiye.
Those who had business with the country liked the idea as this would give them an edge in competition. On the whole however, it was such a ridiculous attempt. Can you prescribe what words to use to millions of speakers?

Quoting vineyards:

Let us think in simple terms:

I claim we must not be stuck with the meanings of words as words have no other meanings than those we assign to them.
Accordingly, whatever "right" word you may come up with is doomed to erode into some other meaning if you cannot change your (literal) mind set.

Let us center the discussion around the validity of this thesis.

Furthermore, I am not offended in anyway. I just wrote about something that I find illogical.

I might be more offended by your own article because there you invite me to stop and think, learn history, control my feelings, not get offended all too easily. Isn't this the kind of language used to hush hush others? Now that neither of us has an omniscient point of view, we must really keep it clean from such patronizing statements.

For my own part, I do not want you to learn anything other than what you freely choose to. Because I do not feel responsible for you.

Quoting vineyards:

I think you are missing the point. It would be a lot easier for me to ask you to prescribe me what word to use and I will gladly obey. What I am essentially objecting to is the absurdity of establishing a political influence on words which are symbols and which do not symbolize anything other than what they have come to symbolize.

Aren't Afro-Americans denied of certains right because of their skin color? This is still true while everyone pays enermous attention to being politically correct when talking about them. I can both call you "darling" and have a plan to kill you in the evening.

My suggestion is forget about words. Concentrate on Presidential elections.

Quoting vineyards:

One might stand against the wind mills if there was some wind to start with.

Quoting vineyards:

What about the wind?

Quoting cpatrick219:

We are all lucky Ronald Reagan came along when he did.

Quoting vineyards:

Yes, he and his team introduced new policies entitled the new world order, global village, global gendarme. His successors built on his achievements.

The new world order was meant for other nations to learn who the master was and whose values mattered. We are still suffering from its consequences.

The Global Village concept was designed to iron out the differences among cultures and to create a single Coca Cola empire composed of vassal states.

The global gendarme doctrine enabled America to make sure that the aforementioned doctrines are observed - if needed at the point of a gun - all around the world.


If you like this kind of a world, you like leaders like Reagan, Bush or Clinton. If you are not annoyed by a nuke them all policy, he is your ideal leader.