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Racism in TC
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02 Mar 2007 Fri 09:45 pm |
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Quoting robyn  : then the 'victim' in all of this stated that he was and still does support the PKK group, thats when my pity waned drastically.. |
As I said robyn, I think the Turkish obviously have very good reasons for the way they feel towards the PKK and I wouldn't be defending someone who admitted to being PKK.
However, as this particular member was abused from the second he announced that he was Kurdish how do you know he didnt just think that attack was the best form of defence?
Also, you know I wasn't just referring to the conversation on Wednesday night but to the fact that this happens all the time against Kurds - and always started by the same Turkish racists.
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03 Mar 2007 Sat 10:05 am |
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03 Mar 2007 Sat 03:31 pm |
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First, I must confess I did not witness the forum dicussion mentioned here, but after having read some exchanges of replies generated by certain topics, I must say that "understanding the other" is sometimes a problem here, raised by the lack of understanding of a simple thing: the main preocupation of those involved in a discussion should not lie in trying to change each other, radically and quickly; rather, it should lie in correctly interpreting the differences between us, standing up to these differences, and understanding them...
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03 Mar 2007 Sat 03:49 pm |
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The difference is that the racist discussion took place in chat room NOT on the forum, juliacernat. When people post on the forum they put their name to their post and express their OPINION. I was not aware of any post recently where people were "trying to change each other, radically and quickly"??!? 
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03 Mar 2007 Sat 04:11 pm |
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my comment meant to be a call for understanding- or, at least for making an effort to understand each other-... and I think it could work both in the forum discussions and in the chat room
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03 Mar 2007 Sat 04:21 pm |
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I think most people here do try to be understanding of cultural and religious differences. However, there will be some subjects which people feel very strongly about. Why should they have to tone down their opinion for the benefit of people who shy away from conflict? A difference of opinion does NOT have to mean disrespecting anothers views or attacking someone personally.
From my own personal stance, I always endeavour to start my posts with "I think" or "in my opinion" - I rarely claim my opinion to be 'fact'.
This is a discussion forum - are you suggesting we must not express our opinions or, must in some way make them less conflicting? 
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03 Mar 2007 Sat 04:38 pm |
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I was not trying to underestimate the difference of opinions or the expressing of ideas/feelings/thoughts, but I think an effort of understanding would help-in many cases-to avoid that an argumentative diffence of opinions turn into a clash of opinions.
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03 Mar 2007 Sat 04:51 pm |
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Quoting lady in red: Quoting robyn : then the 'victim' in all of this stated that he was and still does support the PKK group, thats when my pity waned drastically.. |
As I said robyn, I think the Turkish obviously have very good reasons for the way they feel towards the PKK and I wouldn't be defending someone who admitted to being PKK.
However, as this particular member was abused from the second he announced that he was Kurdish how do you know he didnt just think that attack was the best form of defence?
Also, you know I wasn't just referring to the conversation on Wednesday night but to the fact that this happens all the time against Kurds - and always started by the same Turkish racists. |
Yes I am aware of the racism in chatroom by the same culprits Lady in Red, as I have been at the other end of receiving the racist nonsense from the very same members. I don't think he was saying he supported PKK just because they were being racist as he seemed to believe the PKK never killed civilians etc etc and said he would stop supporting them if he knew they had done such...
Anyway I just wanted to make the point that I am not racist and I don't like racism but for some people to suggest we should talk to terrorists is political correctness gone mad in my opinion.I'll say no more because we are not supposed to discuss politics here and sorry for digressing on your topic Lady in Red 
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03 Mar 2007 Sat 04:57 pm |
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Quoting robyn : but for some people to suggest we should talk to terrorists is political correctness gone mad in my opinion. |
Why is that so radical? Incidently I actually said "talk to people who SUPPORT terrorists", not the terrorists themselves, but now you come to mention it, why not? They are an invisible "enemy" and at the core is usually a power-hungry and affluent individual. They then recruit from the poor and discontented to increase their numbers. Suicide bombers, for example, are young vulnerable and easily influenced people who have been targeted and brain-washed into thinking they are doing "good". You hate them? I feel as sorry for them as the people they kill 
For example Robyn, the numbers of young muslims who support extreme (terrorist) activities in the UK has increased drastically in the last year. Are you suggesting that we ignore them, hate them, kill them? Would it not be more productive to listen to them and try to work out the reasons why they are driven to support such extreme measures, why they hate us, why they are so unhappy with their lives?
Politically correct you say? NO! Just a peaceful solution to this increasing problem.
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