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Vowel group practice
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1.       bod
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 30 Nov 2005 Wed 11:37 am

I know that for most people on this site it will be far too simple to be of any use. But I am a complete beginner! To try and help myself learn instinctively the vowel groups, I have written a simple test. The more I try it the quicker I become at knowing which vowels belong to which group without having to think about it at all which is the whole idea.

The test is here:
Vowel Group Practice

I intend to develop this much further and eventually extend it to cover major and minor vowel harmony rules and even perhaps consonant harmony rules.

Your feedback would be apprieciated - both about what is already there and how it might be usefully changed and/or extended to make it more useful. Thanks in advance!

Cheers

Bod

2.       admin
758 posts
 30 Nov 2005 Wed 12:20 pm

Thank you bod, looks like it is a very useful practice for people who have problems with vowel types.

3.       mella
202 posts
 30 Nov 2005 Wed 12:47 pm

Thank you, bod! It is really useful for beginners.

4.       moonlotus4
8 posts
 30 Nov 2005 Wed 01:38 pm

It's really useful - thank you!

5.       bod
5999 posts
 30 Nov 2005 Wed 01:49 pm

You're welcome.....
Just something I wrote to assist myself but if it helps others as well then that is great

It will get extended to do more in the future - or maybe I'll just write a few different test type things. If you have any ideas for improvement of this or ideas for other helpful similar things then let me know.

6.       bod
5999 posts
 30 Nov 2005 Wed 02:25 pm

I've just added to it so that it now displays the time taken between the vowel being displayed you clicking on a button. Hope this is helpful.

7.       pa_ladyfyre
8 posts
 29 Jan 2006 Sun 01:10 pm

Merhaba,

I had a question concerning the "vowel harmony" practice test. First, let me say that it is wonderful and helpful idea for these practice tests.
My question concerns the minor harmony practice test. One of the questions asks how would you add the suffix -leri to the word gül... why is the answer gülleri? I understand theat the ü sound is a rounded, soft vowel,but it is being followed by the e sound which is a flat, soft sound, (if I remember correctly). I thought that both minor and major harmonies had to match. I would appreciate if someone could clarify this for me.. I may of misread something in there.. Teşekür ederim.
ladyfyre

8.       Elisa
0 posts
 29 Jan 2006 Sun 04:01 pm

Quoting pa_ladyfyre:

Merhaba,

I had a question concerning the "vowel harmony" practice test. First, let me say that it is wonderful and helpful idea for these practice tests.
My question concerns the minor harmony practice test. One of the questions asks how would you add the suffix -leri to the word gül... why is the answer gülleri? I understand theat the ü sound is a rounded, soft vowel,but it is being followed by the e sound which is a flat, soft sound, (if I remember correctly). I thought that both minor and major harmonies had to match. I would appreciate if someone could clarify this for me.. I may of misread something in there.. Teşekür ederim.
ladyfyre



For plurals you only have to look at the major vowel harmony as there are only 2 suffixes (-ler and -lar) to make a word plural.
If you would like to add a possessive suffix to a noun, ex. evim - my house, then you have to pay attention to the minor vowel harmony as well, because the poss. suffix can be im/ım/üm/um. So in this case there are 4 sounds.
Have you checked the Vowel Harmony Chapter on this site?

Elisa

9.       erdinc
2151 posts
 29 Jan 2006 Sun 06:01 pm

Yes Elisa is right. If a suffix has only two forms you obviously only check if the last vowel is a back vowel (a,ı,o,u) or if it's a front vowel (e,i,ö,ü).

The plural suffix (-ler, -lar), the dative case suffix (-e, -a), the locative case (-de, -da), the ablative case, (-den, -dan),...etc. have two forms considering vowels (of course the -de and -den suffixes have a -te and -ten form but this changes according the consonant and not vowels).

For verbs the infinitive suffix (-mek, -mak)and the negative suffix (-me, -ma) have two forms only.

Therefore we say gül+ü and gül+ler+i. The last vowel determines the correct suffix. As the plural -ler suffix changes the last vowel we change the next suffix accordingly.

I will give you a smillar example:

infinitive: yüzmek
simple past affirmative: yüzdü
simple past negative: yüzmedi

The negative suffix -me changes the last vowel. The last suffix becomes e after yüzme and we add di. Simple past negative has only two forms -me+di or +ma+dı while affirmative has four because tyhe negative suffix has only two forms.
This below is a quote from a previous post of mine.
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_2142

Rule 1 : Last vowel counts.
Look at the last vowel to decide which suffix to add.

If the last vowel is a sharp vowel than the suffix should have a sharp vowel.
If the last vowel is a deep vowel than the suffix should have a deep vowel.

Sharp vowels: e,i,ö,ü
Deep vowels: a,ı,o,u

Rule 2:
Some suffixes have 4 forms. If these 4 forms have the vowels ı,i,u,ü then follow this table:

If the last vowel is one of these "a","ı" > use "ı"
If the last vowel is one of these "e","i" > use "i"
If the last vowel is one of these "o","u" > use "u"
If the last vowel is one of these "ö","ü" > use "ü"


10.       pa_ladyfyre
8 posts
 29 Jan 2006 Sun 06:07 pm

Thank you. I knew I was missing something very simple. Now I understand.

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