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I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 04:37 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting Capoeira: Sticky question to debate!!!! I mean UK and USA have to work double to include all these cultural/social practices and make thigs equatable. Other countries don't have this problem because they don't have the enormous immigration issues that we have. |
I think you will find that most European countries have this problem, plus Australia, New Zealand.... |
I was very vague about other countries here. You are right to clear that up. I was refering to 'other' in my mind I am imagining the countries where the immigrants come from. Indeed even in European countries this is an issue. Thanks for pointing that out! (not being sarcastic here)
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 05:59 pm |
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Quoting gavi: Soccer's ruling body has backed Quebec officials who banned a Muslim girl from playing in a tournament near Montreal because she wore a head scarf.
CTV.ca News Staff
Asmahan Mansour, 11, was ejected from the game for not removing her hijab on the field.
The International Football Association Board -- FIFA -- held its annual meeting Saturday in Manchester, England.
The board was asked to make a ruling on the plight of Asmahan Mansour, the 11-year-old who was told last weekend that she couldn't play in the under-12 tournament in Laval unless she removed her religious head-covering known as a hijab.
Brian Barwick, who spoke on behalf of the board, said it is important to be respectful to "people's thoughts and philosophies,'' but added that the rules of the game must be followed.
"We believe our football to be inclusive. It's part of what we believe our football to be," Barwick said during a news conference.
"But of course if you play football there are basic laws. And law four outlines what the basic laws are concerning gear. I think it's absolutely right to be sensitive to people's thoughts and philosophies but equally football has a set of rules it has to adhere to."
Law four lists the items a player is entitled to wear and head scarves are not mentioned.
Goalkeepers are allowed to wear caps and protective headgear.
The Quebec Soccer Association said the headscarf violated a no-headgear rule set down by FIFA for safety reasons.
The soccer referee who ordered Mansour to remove her headscarf was also a Muslim.
When she was ejected from the game for refusing to remove the covering, Mansour's coach withdrew the team from the tournament in protest.
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As one of the prospective "morrons" are you saying here that you think she should wear her scarf or she should not? I can't be bothered to search through the rest of the posts to find out.
I will reiterate, so the rules say she should not wear a scarf, simple if you want to play football, you dont wear a scarf. Anyway, as a Muslim, now come she was being allowed to play football, I thought this was a no no for Muslim girls. Now that smacks double standards. Want to wear a scarf and play football, but dont want to play by the rules.
But I will also reiterate, when in Rome do as the Romans do!! In other words you respect the society you have decided to live and you abide by the rules and laws of that society.
We (UK), and many other European countries allow many imigrants into our Countries, some legally but some illegally, with Italy have a huge problems with illegal imigration from North Africa. And as you know, European countries are Christan countries. What is happening is a sort of reverse racisim. Our countries are trying to accomodate other religions, Islam, Hinud, Sikh etc etc some successfully and integration has worked relatively well. But when religious groups start to dictate to the host country that is when I have a problem.
So now please explain to us why we are morrons? Maybe I should shut my mouth now.
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 06:03 pm |
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Quoting libralady: As one of the prospective "morrons" are you saying here that you think she should wear her scarf or she should not? I can't be bothered to search through the rest of the posts to find out.
I will reiterate, so the rules say she should not wear a scarf, simple if you want to play football, you dont wear a scarf. Anyway, as a Muslim, now come she was being allowed to play football, I thought this was a no no for Muslim girls. Now that smacks double standards. Want to wear a scarf and play football, but dont want to play by the rules.
But I will also reiterate, when in Rome do as the Romans do!! In other words you respect the society you have decided to live and you abide by the rules and laws of that society.
We (UK), and many other European countries allow many imigrants into our Countries, some legally but some illegally, with Italy have a huge problems with illegal imigration from North Africa. And as you know, European countries are Christan countries. What is happening is a sort of reverse racisim. Our countries are trying to accomodate other religions, Islam, Hinud, Sikh etc etc some successfully and integration has worked relatively well. But when religious groups start to dictate to the host country that is when I have a problem.
So now please explain to us why we are morrons? Maybe I should shut my mouth now. |
Please don't, I do so agree with you.
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 06:09 pm |
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Quoting libralady: So now please explain to us why we are morrons? Maybe I should shut my mouth now. |
It's funny how people are quick to use negative adjectives or dehumanizing nouns to define others based on the fact that one does not follow, agree with, or become persuaded by their opinions! I find that to be more revealing of that person's intellect than their crafty arguments.
While I have often disagreed with you,Libralady, in no way, shape or form do I find you be lacking in intelligence as the word 'morron' dictates. Surely the previous post contained a typo! 
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 06:10 pm |
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Quoting gavi: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting gavi: Ohhhhhhhh I give up it ......... |
Why? Have your principles changed? Have you realised your mistake?  |
absolutely have not changed my opinion just relized how moronic some people can be........not worth the aggravation...... |
Why exactly are people moronic that don't agree you with you?Judging from your pictures you yourself do not wear the headscarf and surely you realise that safety if nothing else should stop muslim girls from wearing the headscarf during some sports and activites. For example there have been several cases in the UK whereby it was ruled that employers were not being discriminatory when forbidding headscarves or turbans because of the need to wear safety helmets.
safety issues should always be adhered to
for example lets take sikhs, one of their rules is that they must carry a knife but this conflicts with English law, do you think that they should be allowed to carry their knives too?
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 06:13 pm |
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Quoting Capoeira: Quoting libralady: So now please explain to us why we are morrons? Maybe I should shut my mouth now. |
It's funny how people are quick to use negative adjectives or dehumanizing nouns to define others based on the fact that one does not follow, agree with, or become persuaded by their opinions! I find that to be more revealing of that person's intellect than their crafty arguments.
While I have often disagreed with you,Libralady, in no way, shape or form do I find you be lacking in intelligence as the word 'morron' dictates. Surely the previous post contained a typo! |
Capoeira, it wasn't Libralady who used that word first. She quoted it....
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 06:22 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting Capoeira: Quoting libralady: So now please explain to us why we are morrons? Maybe I should shut my mouth now. |
It's funny how people are quick to use negative adjectives or dehumanizing nouns to define others based on the fact that one does not follow, agree with, or become persuaded by their opinions! I find that to be more revealing of that person's intellect than their crafty arguments.
While I have often disagreed with you,Libralady, in no way, shape or form do I find you be lacking in intelligence as the word 'morron' dictates. Surely the previous post contained a typo! |
Capoeira, it wasn't Libralady who used that word first. She quoted it.... |
Yes, I know...I wasn't talking about her. I was supporting her post asking why people were being defined that way. I am giving my opinion about people who use words like that to call others. "The previous post" refers to the one right before Libralady wrote her reply.
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 06:44 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x:
If I go and live in an Islamic state i am refused the right to even testify in court against a muslim! One example of thousands of rules I must adhere to.
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What do you mean by an Islamic state? I guess you don't mean muslim populated countries.
If you mean Islam, you can sue for and testify against in court.
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:11 pm |
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By "Islamic state" I mean a country that is governed by religious leaders. As a non-Muslim living in an "Islamic state" (Iran for example) I would be discriminated against - this is my point.
As a non muslim I would be referred to as a 'Zimmis'. Zimmis cannot testify against Muslims. They can only testify against other Zimmis or Musta'min. Their oaths are not considered valid in an Islamic court. A Zimmi, regarded as an infidel, cannot testify against any Muslim regardless of his moral credibility. One serious implication of this is that if one Muslim has committed a serious offense against another, witnessed by Zimmis only, the court will have difficulty deciding the case since the testimonies of Zimmis are not acceptable.
Yet, this same Zimmi whose integrity is blemished, if he converts to Islam, will have his testimony accepted against the Zimmis and Muslims alike, because according to the Shari`a, "By embracing Islam he has gained a new credibility which would enable him to witness..." All he has to do is to utter the Islamic confession of faith before witnesses, and that will elevate him from being an outcast to being a respected Muslim enjoying all the privileges of a devout Muslim.
I would also be subjected to the following rules:-
(1) Zimmis are not allowed to build new churches, temples, or synagogues.
2) Zimmis are not allowed to pray or read their sacred books out loud at home or in churches, lest Muslims hear their prayers.
3) Zimmis are not allowed to print their religious books or sell them in public places and markets. They are allowed to publish and sell them among their own people, in their churches and temples.
4) Zimmis are not allowed to install the cross on their houses or churches since it is a symbol of infidelity.
5) Zimmis are not permitted to broadcast or display their ceremonial religious rituals on radio or television or to use the media or to publish any picture of their religious ceremonies in newspaper and magazines.
6) Zimmis are not allowed to congregate in the streets during their religious festivals; rather, each must quietly make his way to his church or temple.
7) Zimmis are not allowed to join the army unless there is indispensable need for them in which case they are not allowed to assume leadership positions but are considered mercenaries.
(8) I could not achieve any position of authority in my job because the command of non-Muslims over Muslims in not admissible, because God Almighty said: 'Allah will not give access to the infidels (i.e. Christians) to have authority over believers (Muslims) {Qur'an 4:141}.
In the scheme of things, I think that not allowing a headscarf to be worn whilst playing football is rather a minor detail!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:17 pm |
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04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:20 pm |
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Quoting qdemir:
Iran is NOT an Islamic country, and a model to be emulated or refered to ,even though it defines or calls itself in that way.
Just ask What Islam says about the issue instead of refering to Iran.
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What does it say, according to you, Qdemir? I can't read the Qu'ran in Arab and my Dutch version is probably not okay / complete (at least that's what I was told before by someone).
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