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The Race For Size Zero
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08 Mar 2007 Thu 05:13 pm |
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Quoting Capoeira:
There was a recent report, trying to find it, where 'beautiful' people out earned average looking individuals. I don't believe it is something that women make up in there heads! |
sure this does happen in all walks of life - beauty opens doors ...and wallets 
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08 Mar 2007 Thu 06:06 pm |
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Quoting Capoeira: Quoting reBooped: Personally I think that a healthy body shape is more important - different genes and metabolism mean we all are naturally different and we should make the most of what we have and enjoy being unique. |
I wish that were true! However, there are beauty standards and documented cases of discrimination based on lacking. There was a recent report, trying to find it, where 'beautiful' people out earned average looking individuals. I don't believe it is something that women make up in there heads! |
I think the earnings side of things is more to do whether you are confident or not and how you portray yourself. As someone who regularly interviews, if a woman or a man for that matter are happy with themselves, then this comes over in the interview. And same goes for promotion.
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08 Mar 2007 Thu 06:07 pm |
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first of all, I didn't invent those theories myself! I read about them in the books I mentioned.
second of all, just because obesity is a bigger problem then anorexia doesn't prove that those problems aren't real. of course only a small percentage of people will actually look like those unreal examples, there's no doubt about it (even if people wanted, most of us couldn't look the perfect way), the real question is where did these strange trends come from - as Capoiera said - women didn't just conjure these things up!
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08 Mar 2007 Thu 06:53 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: first of all, I didn't invent those theories myself! I read about them in the books I mentioned.
second of all, just because obesity is a bigger problem then anorexia doesn't prove that those problems aren't real. of course only a small percentage of people will actually look like those unreal examples, there's no doubt about it (even if people wanted, most of us couldn't look the perfect way), the real question is where did these strange trends come from - as Capoiera said - women didn't just conjure these things up! |
yes and that was my point..
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08 Mar 2007 Thu 07:23 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: first of all, I didn't invent those theories myself! I read about them in the books I mentioned.
second of all, just because obesity is a bigger problem then anorexia doesn't prove that those problems aren't real. of course only a small percentage of people will actually look like those unreal examples, there's no doubt about it (even if people wanted, most of us couldn't look the perfect way), the real question is where did these strange trends come from - as Capoiera said - women didn't just conjure these things up! |
+1000000
I'll give a very real example. While living in Argentina, a friend of mine was trying to work at a bank as a teller. For her interview she was told she could have the job if the company mini-skirt uniform fit her. It was one-size for all and they didn't order or want anybody who needed a bigger size. OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
Too, I did NOT want to bring race into this equation. But it is a known fact that being a caucausian woman compared to an african or asain woman was considered more beautiful. Thank God these trends are changing BUT VERY SLOWLY. If you don't believe me look at a runway fashion show. Compare the percentage of women of color. There IS a societal problem in regards to women and their size and looks. An overweight man is much more accepted than an overweight woman. And young women pick up on this subtle discrimnation and become determined to NEVER be treated that way leading to the horrible cases of compulsive overeating, compulsive binging and purging or self starvation. The opposite of anorexia is compulsive eating. Both horrible problems that stem from a common denominator.
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08 Mar 2007 Thu 07:30 pm |
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What are all these worries for, dear ladies of my class? Whether fat or slim, obesite or anorexian, I am ready to marry a woman of each sort! 
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08 Mar 2007 Thu 07:36 pm |
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Quoting Capoeira: Quoting catwoman: first of all, I didn't invent those theories myself! I read about them in the books I mentioned.
second of all, just because obesity is a bigger problem then anorexia doesn't prove that those problems aren't real. of course only a small percentage of people will actually look like those unreal examples, there's no doubt about it (even if people wanted, most of us couldn't look the perfect way), the real question is where did these strange trends come from - as Capoiera said - women didn't just conjure these things up! |
+1000000
I'll give a very real example. While living in Argentina, a friend of mine was trying to work at a bank as a teller. For her interview she was told she could have the job if the company mini-skirt uniform fit her. It was one-size for all and they didn't order or want anybody who needed a bigger size. OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
Too, I did NOT want to bring race into this equation. But it is a known fact that being a caucausian woman compared to an african or asain woman was considered more beautiful. Thank God these trends are changing BUT VERY SLOWLY. If you don't believe me look at a runway fashion show. Compare the percentage of women of color. There IS a societal problem in regards to women and their size and looks. An overweight man is much more accepted than an overweight woman. And young women pick up on this subtle discrimnation and become determined to NEVER be treated that way leading to the horrible cases of compulsive overeating, compulsive binging and purging or self starvation. The opposite of anorexia is compulsive eating. Both horrible problems that stem from a common denominator.
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and it's only when something is done about it that we can start to help people with these issues..maybe a starting point is that we are all naturally critical of each others looks, our clothes our possessions etc etc..but is it really natural traits or is it the media making it this way?
i.e. women should look this way or that way, we should be wearing this brand or that brand, from my persepective these so-called natural ability to criticise others on their looks and feel in competition with others is perpetuated and created by the media, it might be passed off as a natural act but maybe this is because the media makes it seem more natural..
ignore my incessant ramblings.I' not even sure if im coherent or not anymore  
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08 Mar 2007 Thu 07:39 pm |
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Quoting robyn : Quoting Capoeira: Quoting catwoman: first of all, I didn't invent those theories myself! I read about them in the books I mentioned.
second of all, just because obesity is a bigger problem then anorexia doesn't prove that those problems aren't real. of course only a small percentage of people will actually look like those unreal examples, there's no doubt about it (even if people wanted, most of us couldn't look the perfect way), the real question is where did these strange trends come from - as Capoiera said - women didn't just conjure these things up! |
+1000000
I'll give a very real example. While living in Argentina, a friend of mine was trying to work at a bank as a teller. For her interview she was told she could have the job if the company mini-skirt uniform fit her. It was one-size for all and they didn't order or want anybody who needed a bigger size. OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
Too, I did NOT want to bring race into this equation. But it is a known fact that being a caucausian woman compared to an african or asain woman was considered more beautiful. Thank God these trends are changing BUT VERY SLOWLY. If you don't believe me look at a runway fashion show. Compare the percentage of women of color. There IS a societal problem in regards to women and their size and looks. An overweight man is much more accepted than an overweight woman. And young women pick up on this subtle discrimnation and become determined to NEVER be treated that way leading to the horrible cases of compulsive overeating, compulsive binging and purging or self starvation. The opposite of anorexia is compulsive eating. Both horrible problems that stem from a common denominator.
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and it's only when something is done about it that we can start to help people with these issues..maybe a starting point is that we are all naturally critical of each others looks, our clothes our possessions etc etc..but is it really natural traits or is it the media making it this way?
i.e. women should look this way or that way, we should be wearing this brand or that brand, from my persepective these so-called natural ability to criticise others on their looks and feel in competition with others is perpetuated and created by the media, it might be passed off as a natural act but maybe this is because the media makes it seem more natural..
ignore my incessant ramblings.I' not even sure if im coherent or not anymore |
Actually you are right! True change must take place in the minds of women first! I totally agree the worst jailers for women are other woman. As a friend's mother once told me,"if i found out that there was a woman flying the airline, i would ask to be let off". It is not until we see ourselves and empower ourselves will change come about! Maybe you were rambling but you were rambling in the right direction!
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09 Mar 2007 Fri 02:27 am |
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Quoting Capoeira: I'll give a very real example. While living in Argentina, a friend of mine was trying to work at a bank as a teller. For her interview she was told she could have the job if the company mini-skirt uniform fit her. It was one-size for all and they didn't order or want anybody who needed a bigger size. OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
Too, I did NOT want to bring race into this equation. But it is a known fact that being a caucausian woman compared to an african or asain woman was considered more beautiful. Thank God these trends are changing BUT VERY SLOWLY. If you don't believe me look at a runway fashion show. Compare the percentage of women of color. There IS a societal problem in regards to women and their size and looks. An overweight man is much more accepted than an overweight woman. And young women pick up on this subtle discrimnation and become determined to NEVER be treated that way leading to the horrible cases of compulsive overeating, compulsive binging and purging or self starvation. The opposite of anorexia is compulsive eating. Both horrible problems that stem from a common denominator. |
+1 totally
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