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Should Turkey Cross Borders Into Iraq?
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13 Jun 2007 Wed 12:19 pm |
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13 Jun 2007 Wed 10:34 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: The founder of this country set the ultimate principle for this country as "Peace at Home and Peace in the World". Maybe you do not care all that much about this principle and follow those haggling at behind-the-doors meetings with warmongers. In this country, no invasion can occur unless the military thinks it would be in line with its principles.
During his office term, Ozal wanted to send troops to Iraq alongside the US troops but the army said "No". Today, the army considers the option of revitalizing the hot-pursuit process but this time the government says no. |
I'm not sure who your speaking to vineyard, however you may claim Turkey stands on the Principal of "Peace at Home and Peace in the World" but what good does that do them, when they were very aware of the recourse of the war in Iraq.
Recent developments have confirmed these fears, some PKK fighters (most remain in the sparsely populated areas of southeastern Turkey) have crossed into havens in the Kandil Mountains of northern Iraq—where they have been seeking refuge since at least 1984—with greater freedom. The fear that the PKK has acquired an even more reliable bastion for launching attacks and a deep reservoir of popular support among Iraq’s Kurds partly explains the Special Forces operations that Turkey has apparently conducted in northern Iraq, as well as the continued presence of its military contingent.
Ankara insists that its interest in Kirkuk has a strong historical basis. In this rendition, northern Iraq was transferred from the Ottoman Empire, and despite Turkish opposition, under the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, and the while Turkey is prepared to remain on the sidelines so long as there is a united Iraq, it will assert its historic interests should Iraq be partitioned or break apart.
Turkish forces have in the past intervened in northern Iraq to attack the camps of the Kurdish separatist guerillas in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War; in March 2003 roughly 1,500 Turkish troops entered this region, and Turkish Special Forces have reportedly carried out covert operations in post-Saddam Iraq.
Turkey’s disillusionment with the West could prompt a reorientation of its foreign policy—away from the United States, the European Union (EU), and NATO, and toward a new multi-azimuth Gaullist strategy that looks to China, India, Iran, Russia, and Syria. Such a shift is already being discussed in Turkey, and the assumption that it amounts to bluff and bluster may prove short-sighted. The new strategic landscape created by the end of the Cold War may pose new threats to Turkey.
So, I'm sorry vineyard no you still haven't answered my original question. And yes, I do see Turkey taking political risks by doing so. But hey isn't Russia and Iran lovely places to visit? I hope you have acquired a taste for Indian food.
Last point, you mention Mexicans crossing our borders and shooting what would we do? Well, of course give them a job and opportunity. Didn't you know by now that half of the U.S. are Mexicans here.
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13 Jun 2007 Wed 11:26 pm |
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should USA cross to continents????
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14 Jun 2007 Thu 01:32 am |
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"Last point, you mention Mexicans crossing our borders and shooting what would we do? Well, of course give them a job and opportunity. Didn't you know by now that half of the U.S. are Mexicans here. "
Ha Ha that's funny! And oh so true!  
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14 Jun 2007 Thu 03:32 am |
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14 Jun 2007 Thu 03:49 am |
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14 Jun 2007 Thu 05:35 pm |
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Quoting kestrel: "Last point, you mention Mexicans crossing our borders and shooting what would we do? Well, of course give them a job and opportunity. Didn't you know by now that half of the U.S. are Mexicans here. "
Ha Ha that's funny! And oh so true! |
Kurds are legal citizens with all rights as Turks. They work, educate, enter politics, etc. Do not compare terrorist PPK to the millions of kurds who live in the country for one. And second, last I checked, Mexican are not trying to make Texas through California an indepedent nation, even though you could argue they have more historical right to this land than the current occupants. You can not compare this to illegal immigrants coming across from Mexico. Typical, un-educated, foreign policy response from the western hemisphere...
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15 Jun 2007 Fri 10:03 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: As for your question; my answer is already clear: as long as the purpose is dealing with terrorists Turkey should enter Iraq. The US and the UK should immediately leave the region. Their continued presence in Iraq will certainly upset the balances in the region and may force Turkey to take action. As for the future talk you added to your remarks. I have never thought that the world will remain as it is now. There is certainly a need for a change. The political climate is very fragile, the US has lost a lot of credibility. In the past, people would either like or hate the USA. Today, the number of haters is on the increase. If it goes on like this pro-American governments here and there will find it difficult to persuade their voters. The anti-american sentiment may become an election winning formula whether it be genuine or make believe. Russia has never lost its military capability and I believe they are now looking forward to a chance to show the US that they are still there.
As for my own predictions about the future. I think the exploitation of the cheap labor and the economic deprivation of the Chinese may trigger a revolution in that country. If that happens someday its impact on both Europe and the US will be tremendous. There is no economy in either Europe or the US today. American people live in a fool's paradise where there is minimal inflation, cheap oil and energy. The government needs to continually find new resources to prop up this isolated domestic economy to keep it from collapsing. If the system is still working it is by the virtue of American controlled economies like China but what if China wakes up someday just as it was predicted some 50 years ago?
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So Vineyard, you recommend the U.S. & the U.K. leave Iraq and let Turkey come in to help Irac rebuild or just kill the terroists and leave? There is one thing however, I do agree with you on, the U.S. are the consumers of the world. But your other Nostraudamus predictions, I have a hard time consuming. "Russia has never lost it's military capability"? I believe Russia has a long time to go to reform it's military, you may want to recheck your statement. Russia’s conventional forces are in disarray because of a lack of funds, the country’s decade-long economic crisis, with ground troops rarely going on field exercises, warplanes grounded and navy ships stuck in harbors because they haven’t enough fuel. As for China, I think China will be sleeping beyond my years. I think I'll take the "Fools Paradise" as you mentioned for now.
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16 Jun 2007 Sat 01:48 am |
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16 Jun 2007 Sat 03:20 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Teaschip, May I suggest the following:
-Read my message again.
-Check out the countries with nuclear capability
-Check out the countries with intercontinental ballistic/nuclear missile capability.
-Check out aerospace programs of the countries and try to remember what means did the US use when the US space shuttle program remained in suspension for years.
-Check out which country owns the energia rocket system capable of lifting extremely heavy equipment to outer space.
There are many other items to be checked out but ultimately add to the list the ........ attitude of
cheuvenist Americans (like guess who) and think about what the desire of people to get rid of tyrans can make possible.
In no part of my message, I implied that Turkey should replace the US in Iraq. If this is what you understand out of that please don't bother to write an answer to this one. |
You may also want to reread my post, I asked you a specific question whether Turkey should enter Iraq and kill the terrorists and stay and help rebuild Iraq, since your insisting the UK & the US should leave. You have avoided answering this. Also, my statements about Russia are factual regarding their military. In my disucssion I had no reference to their aerospace technology but you seem to connect the two. I'll take your comment as a "cheuvinist American" as a compliment coming from you. Since your tactic of casting stones, seems to be your only weapon of choice. Too sad for you.
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17 Jun 2007 Sun 03:24 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: Didn't you know by now that half of the U.S. are Mexicans here.
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too bad this isn't true! Then we could stop talking about building walls and get on with life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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