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10 Aug 2007 Fri 12:11 am |
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Quoting MarioninTurkey: Canlı
I agree with you about -mak
but disagree on your comments about the irregular verb olmak.
Just look at any of the teacher's lessons loaded on this site. I clicked on the first one and it has değilim, değilsin, DEĞİL, değiliz, değilsiniz, değiller as the negative conjugation of the aorist tense of the verb:
http://www.turkishclass.com/tl_lesson.php?lesson_id=10
Since every sentence has to have a verb (otherwise it is a clause ot a sentence) in the sentence Ben İngilizim -im ending acts as the verb: the positive conjugation of olmak in the aorist. Similarly in Sen Koreli değilsin, değilsin is the verb: the negative conjugation of olmak in the aorist.
similarly for sentences where the only verb is var or yok: Bu evde kimse yok. Daha iyi araba yok. etc etc. |
İ couldnt open the link !...strange
However,as you said the verb olmak is irregular verb,the norm is to add mA to it in the negative.
But the point is ....mmm i dont know how to explain,but olmak CONSİDERED to be as verb to be in english
But its used in İsim sentences.
We studied olmak in HİTİT under the title
Ad Tümceleri
So its following the nouns rules not the verbs
ben (y)Im
sen sIn
O ...
biz (y)Iz
siz sInIz
onlar lAr
and that is why we add değil to them but as you can see with (O )there is nothing to add to değil so it be as it is değil
And that doesnt make a verb out of it,its just the negative tool in İsim sentences and sıfat 'adj.'
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| 11. |
10 Aug 2007 Fri 02:53 am |
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Quoting MarioninTurkey: Sorry everyone.
Ben aptalım = I AM stupid ...
and pressed return twice so the message went twice. Sorry!
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Problem yok Marion!
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| 12. |
10 Aug 2007 Fri 09:31 am |
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Quoting MarioninTurkey: Sorry everyone.
Ben aptalım = I AM stupid ...
and pressed return twice so the message went twice. Sorry!
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I think you are not fair! So, anyone who pressed twice is stupid?
If all accidents make people stupid, no one is normal 
Don't say that, even for yourself.
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| 13. |
10 Aug 2007 Fri 09:36 am |
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değil is a noun
yok is an adjective
They are not verbs.
değil:
Quote: Cümle içinde art arda kullanılan iki veya daha çok özneyi, tümleci, yüklemi, aralarından bazılarına olumsuzluk kavramı vererek birbirine bağlayan veya yüklemin olumsuz çekimini sağlayan kelime |
The word which makes the predicate (verb) negative, or which links two or more subjects, objects, or predicates each other by giving the negative meaning for some of them, in a sentence.
yok:
Quote: 1. (sıfat) Bulunmayan, mevcut olmayan (nesne, kimse vb.), var karşıtı.
2. Yasak
3. (isim) Olmayan, bulunmayan şey
4 . (edat) "Hayır" anlamında kullanılan bir söz
5 . (bağlaç) Birbirine karşıt iki cümleden, ikincisinin başına getirilen bir söz
6 . (bağlaç) Birinin söylediği sözlerden genelde kuşkulanıldığında veya sözler hafifsendiğinde kullanılan bir söz
7 . (edat) Savunulan bir düşÃ¼nceyi doğrulayan sözün başına getirilir |
1. (adjective) The thing (object, person, etc.) which doesn't exist. Opposite of "var" (exist)
2. Something forbidden
3. (noun) the thing which doesn't exist, which there is not.
4. (preposition/particle) A word used for "no"
5. (conjunction) A word put before the second of the sentences which are opposite.
6. (conjunction) A word used when it is suspected of the words someone said, generally, or when it is not cared
7. (preposition/particle) A word put before the word which confirms an idea defended.
These are definitions from Turkish Language Organization (TDK - Türk Dil Kurumu)
I will try to translate the examples as well.
1. (adjective) The thing (object, person, etc.) which doesn't exist. Opposite of "var" (exist)
There is not an example in TDK website for the first definiton
2. Something forbidden
İçki, sigara yok
Drink, cigarrette forbidden
3. (noun) the thing which doesn't exist, which there is not.
Sen yoktan anlamaz mısın?
Don't you understand (when you say) "absence"
(like; "I said we don't have, but you insist")
4. (preposition/particle) A word used for "no"
-Geldiler mi?
- Yok, daha gelmediler
- Have they come?
-No, they haven't yet
5. (conjunction) A word put before the second of the sentences which are opposite.
Verdiler, ne âlâ; yok vermediler, döner gelirsin
If they give, how good (it is ok); or if they don't, you will turn back
6. (conjunction) A word used when it is suspected of the words someone said, generally, or when it is not cared
Yok kâğıdı kalmamış, yok mürekkebi iyi değilmiş, hasılı bir alay bahaneler!
He says he didn't have papers, his ink wasn't good, in short, many cloaks... (writer doesn't believe in his excuses)
7. (preposition/particle) A word put before the word which confirms an idea defended.
Yok, doğrusu iyi adam, kim ne derse desin.
Well, in fact, he is a good man, who says whatever.
If there is something wrong in the writing, about English, sorry. I am trying to improve my English. I hope this helps everyone.
Kolay gelsin 
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10 Aug 2007 Fri 10:42 am |
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Quoting caliptrix: değil is a noun
yok is an adjective
They are not verbs.
değil:
Quote: Cümle içinde art arda kullanılan iki veya daha çok özneyi, tümleci, yüklemi, aralarından bazılarına olumsuzluk kavramı vererek birbirine bağlayan veya yüklemin olumsuz çekimini sağlayan kelime |
The word which makes the predicate (verb) negative, or which links two or more subjects, objects, or predicates each other by giving the negative meaning for some of them, in a sentence.
yok:
Quote: 1. (sıfat) Bulunmayan, mevcut olmayan (nesne, kimse vb.), var karşıtı.
2. Yasak
3. (isim) Olmayan, bulunmayan şey
4 . (edat) "Hayır" anlamında kullanılan bir söz
5 . (bağlaç) Birbirine karşıt iki cümleden, ikincisinin başına getirilen bir söz
6 . (bağlaç) Birinin söylediği sözlerden genelde kuşkulanıldığında veya sözler hafifsendiğinde kullanılan bir söz
7 . (edat) Savunulan bir düşÃ¼nceyi doğrulayan sözün başına getirilir |
1. (adjective) The thing (object, person, etc.) which doesn't exist. Opposite of "var" (exist)
2. Something forbidden
3. (noun) the thing which doesn't exist, which there is not.
4. (preposition/particle) A word used for "no"
5. (conjunction) A word put before the second of the sentences which are opposite.
6. (conjunction) A word used when it is suspected of the words someone said, generally, or when it is not cared
7. (preposition/particle) A word put before the word which confirms an idea defended.
These are definitions from Turkish Language Organization (TDK - Türk Dil Kurumu)
I will try to translate the examples as well.
1. (adjective) The thing (object, person, etc.) which doesn't exist. Opposite of "var" (exist)
There is not an example in TDK website for the first definiton
2. Something forbidden
İçki, sigara yok
Drink, cigarrette forbidden
3. (noun) the thing which doesn't exist, which there is not.
Sen yoktan anlamaz mısın?
Don't you understand (when you say) "absence"
(like; "I said we don't have, but you insist")
4. (preposition/particle) A word used for "no"
-Geldiler mi?
- Yok, daha gelmediler
- Have they come?
-No, they haven't yet
5. (conjunction) A word put before the second of the sentences which are opposite.
Verdiler, ne âlâ; yok vermediler, döner gelirsin
If they give, how good (it is ok); or if they don't, you will turn back
6. (conjunction) A word used when it is suspected of the words someone said, generally, or when it is not cared
Yok kâğıdı kalmamış, yok mürekkebi iyi değilmiş, hasılı bir alay bahaneler!
He says he didn't have papers, his ink wasn't good, in short, many cloaks... (writer doesn't believe in his excuses)
7. (preposition/particle) A word put before the word which confirms an idea defended.
Yok, doğrusu iyi adam, kim ne derse desin.
Well, in fact, he is a good man, who says whatever.
If there is something wrong in the writing, about English, sorry. I am trying to improve my English. I hope this helps everyone.
Kolay gelsin |
We English speakers are taught that Var and Yok and opposites (or complements) , but varmak is a verb, and you are saying that there is no "yokmak". I am just wondering, not critizing.
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| 15. |
10 Aug 2007 Fri 11:33 am |
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Varmak as a verb means to arrive. It is different from var=there is.
Otobus saat 5'te Ankara'ya varacak. The bus will reach Ankara at 5 o'clock.
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10 Aug 2007 Fri 01:36 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix:
4. (preposition/particle) A word used for "no"
5. (conjunction) A word put before the second of the sentences which are opposite.
6. (conjunction) A word used when it is suspected of the words someone said, generally, or when it is not cared
7. (preposition/particle) A word put before the word which confirms an idea defended.
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preposition? you probably mean "postposition", right?
In Turkish
Edat = postposition
In languages like French, English
Edat = preposition
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11 Aug 2007 Sat 01:56 pm |
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Quoting si++: Quoting caliptrix:
4. (preposition/particle) A word used for "no"
5. (conjunction) A word put before the second of the sentences which are opposite.
6. (conjunction) A word used when it is suspected of the words someone said, generally, or when it is not cared
7. (preposition/particle) A word put before the word which confirms an idea defended.
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preposition? you probably mean "postposition", right?
In Turkish
Edat = postposition
In languages like French, English
Edat = preposition |
As I said, my English is not perfect, but these "edat"s are not after the word. So, what do you think? 
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11 Aug 2007 Sat 06:34 pm |
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Thanks for finally seeing rules on "yok". That is why Cem is always saying "Yok ya" on the phone when I hear him talk he is defending his position.
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11 Aug 2007 Sat 06:53 pm |
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Quoting Badiabdancer74: Thanks for finally seeing rules on "yok". That is why Cem is always saying "Yok ya" on the phone when I hear him talk he is defending his position. |
Yok ya = No way 
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