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20.       ciko
784 posts
 17 Aug 2007 Fri 09:21 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting ciko:

ciko loves both sides because his brother is sunni and his sister in law is alevi



I am in a similar situation myself. My brother-in-law is Imperial and my sister is Jedi



21.       mltm
3690 posts
 17 Aug 2007 Fri 09:22 pm

Just some of my personal opinions since I am not very familiar with Alevism, but as far as I've seen I like the way Alevis believe in İslam. They are very moderate and generally open-minded people. Their mentality is not based on formalism. They do not go to mosques, the women do not wear headscarves the way some sunnis wear. The woman and man have social relations. Their İslam reflects the Anatolian turkish Islam, not an Arap sunni Islam. So, toleration is a part of their belief.About 20% of turkish population is Alevis if I'm not mistaken. I think they should be more cared because longtime they have been considered as they do not exist.

22.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 17 Aug 2007 Fri 09:29 pm





The Alevis represent an independent religion group mainly in Turkey, but also in Iran, with a world total of between 15 and 25 million adherents. There is no independent data for their numbers, so these statistics are estimates or conjectures.
PROBLEMS OF CLASSIFICATION
Alevism is often labelled as a branch of Islam, sometimes Sunni and sometimes Shi'i. But the distance in theology and rituals from mainstream Islam is simply to large. Moreover, their origins seem to precede Islam.
The simple disagreement whether Alevis, when classified as Muslims, belong to the Sunni or Shi'i branch, may perhaps be understood as a reflection of bad research or lack of interest among Western scholars to Alevism.
Alevis are among the least described religious groups in the Middle East, despite their high number and presence all over Turkey. As a matter of fact, they represent the world's 5th or 6th largest religion (Sikhism of India is reported to have 23 million adherents), being larger than Judaism. Most reference works on Islam do not mention them, and important encyclopedias like Britannica, Encarta and CIA World Factbook put all Alevis into the category of Sunnis, without mentioning them in any way!
The confusion over the Alevis is linked to a troubled historical past. The Sunni majority in Turkey desired to hide their Alevi minority as well as legitimize Sunni propaganda towards the Alevis. And the Alevis have avoided emphasizing themselves in order avoid confrontation with Sunnis, well aware of the atrocities Christians have suffered as late as the 1910's (see Armenian Genocide and Assyrian genocide). An explanation to their concealment may be found in taqiyya (concealment of belief). While taqiyya is a part of Muslim theology, its roots predates Islam.
Alevis are not Alawites, but historically the two are linked and share many aspects of theology.

ORIGINS
The name 'Alevi' is of much interest when trying to find their true origin. It is commonly assumed by outsiders that "Alevi" relates to Ali, their central figure of reverence. This may be a link that many Alevis today would not object to.
A second theory is linking it with fire. The word 'alev', which in Turkish means 'fire', points to relations with Zoroastrianism where fire represents the holiest of religious symbols. Similarities in creed may indicate that Alevis are carriers of the ancient faith, but with numerous additions and alterations through time. Still, this is a connection not commonly known among Alevis.
Alevi theology seems to have departed from other Shi'i orientations in the 13th century. It is clear that differences seen today are mainly a product of developments within Alevi tradition. In the 20th century, Alevi theology has developed a great deal, including new perspectives with respect to modern secularism and humanism.
The Alevis have been staunch supporters of the secularism of the Turkish republic, due to their need to be protected from Sunni discrimination. Still, even in this secularist republic, the state has favoured Sunni to Alevi institutions in terms of funding. But the republic has also been able to protect Alevi adherents more beneficially than was true in the Ottoman Empire.

23.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 17 Aug 2007 Fri 09:49 pm

Alevi scholars themselves are at variance on this issue. Some consider themselves as a part of islam...some as a different religion with roots in deeper history.

They are very close to my heart...

24.       Müjde
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 17 Aug 2007 Fri 10:43 pm

I am shocked.........
"Turkey desired to hide their Alevi minority as well as legitimize Sunni propaganda towards the Alevis. And the Alevis have avoided emphasizing themselves in order avoid confrontation with Sunnis, well aware of the atrocities Christians have suffered as late as the 1910's (see Armenian Genocide and Assyrian genocide)."

Dear ,
These sentences may hurt us,please be careful while blaming people.You have many friends in Turkey.
You know us very well.How many of us can do these now or could do these in the past?
Please dont do.
we cannot accept these ideas and this site is not a proper place to talk about them.
Let the history to historains as well.

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