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Families in Turkey accused of forcing young women to take their own lives
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 05:40 pm |
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Quote: pity we don't know how to move our advantages for the betters... |
The only reason we don't know is because there isn't enough education 
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 05:46 pm |
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Quote: Again outside media and foreigners are guilty and i dont agree with you about BBC.. you can find lots of articles about modern Turkey..and most of English newspapers indicate Turkey as a modern country who can lead islam world for being more democratic.
i think we should stop blaming others and start to criticize ourselves!! |
Oh Ciko - don't get me wrong, I don't only blame outside media and foriegners for everything - no not at all and you have a point about looking in the mirror at ourselves. It is a good mixture of both. As I said in another post, education needs to be greatly improved, students need to learn to question the system, question their teachers & professor (without worry about their grades being affected), question our country - then we could move forward. The talent in the younger generation is immense, but they often can't use it, that is why many talented young Turks leave. Look at the EU, one of heads of Education in the EU was a Turkish lady !!! Why couldn't she be here working on Turkish education ?
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 05:59 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Again outside media and foreigners are guilty and i dont agree with you about BBC.. you can find lots of articles about modern Turkey..and most of English newspapers indicate Turkey as a modern country who can lead islam world for being more democratic.
i think we should stop blaming others and start to criticize ourselves!! |
Ciko you are like a breath of fresh air! 
I agree, certainly in the UK,Turkey are usually reported in the media as being progressive and a modern country.
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 06:00 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: Quote: Again outside media and foreigners are guilty and i dont agree with you about BBC.. you can find lots of articles about modern Turkey..and most of English newspapers indicate Turkey as a modern country who can lead islam world for being more democratic.
i think we should stop blaming others and start to criticize ourselves!! |
Oh Ciko - don't get me wrong, I don't only blame outside media and foriegners for everything - no not at all and you have a point about looking in the mirror at ourselves. It is a good mixture of both. As I said in another post, education needs to be greatly improved, students need to learn to question the system, question their teachers & professor (without worry about their grades being affected), question our country - then we could move forward. The talent in the younger generation is immense, but they often can't use it, that is why many talented young Turks leave. Look at the EU, one of heads of Education in the EU was a Turkish lady !!! Why couldn't she be here working on Turkish education ? |
yes absolutely we need to learn question our country instead of blaming other countries whatever happens in Turkey. you are right about education and questioning.
we have no right to expect our children to question the system as long as we dont give them right to question their fathers at home. i personally was always afraid of my father. and i am sure 90 % are same
and ok forget family for a while....do you remember we used to take oath to be loyal to the system and Ataturk's elements..how can we expect these poor children to question system after we make him think that the system ( or the state) is as important as God..
we first need to change ourselves to change the destniy of our country
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 06:00 pm |
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Quoting ciko: i wonder what Catwoman will post about this ouh i am scared  i expect at least two long posts from her |
Why do you keep making such unpleasant jokes about me!  If you have a personal problem, say it openly, ok?
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 06:02 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: Again outside media and foreigners are guilty and i dont agree with you about BBC.. you can find lots of articles about modern Turkey..and most of English newspapers indicate Turkey as a modern country who can lead islam world for being more democratic.
i think we should stop blaming others and start to criticize ourselves!! |
Ciko you are like a breath of fresh air!
I agree, certainly in the UK,Turkey are usually reported in the media as being progressive and a modern country.
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like a breath of fresh air?  finally someone said something good about me in Turkishclass 
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 06:05 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting ciko: i wonder what Catwoman will post about this ouh i am scared i expect at least two long posts from her |
Why do you keep making such unpleasant jokes about me! If you have a personal problem, say it openly, ok? |
why would i have a personal problem with you catwoman.it was just a joke. i wont repeat that.sorry.
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 06:10 pm |
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Quoting ciko: and ok forget family for a while....do you remember we used to take oath to be loyal to the system and Ataturk's elements..how can we expect these poor children to question system after we make him think that the system ( or the state) is as important as God..
we first need to change ourselves to change the destniy of our country |
Ciko, this is a really interesting point that I had never considered before....
....just stop criticising Catwoman! 
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 06:14 pm |
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Quote: do you remember we used to take oath to be loyal to the system and Ataturk's elements..how can we expect these poor children to question system after we make him think that the system ( or the state) is as important as God..
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This is the trickiest and hardest point of it all Ciko - on the one hand, I agree that Ataturk must never be forgotten - what he did was an incredible feat and even Winston Churchill said something like "every century a genuis is born, this time he was born to Turkey" (I read that in the Ataturk museum in Ankara). But to idolize someone and make it part of the blood is also wrong in a society that has not enough education to truly understand the difference between patrotism and nationalism - two very different meanings. If I had children, I would definitely teach them about Ataturk, who he was and all the great things he did (after all many of us yabanci gelin/damats wouldn't be here if he hadn't made such changes) - but I would also encourage them that progress and developments on the things previously achieved can be made, to beleve that things can change and develop without tipping the historical balance.
Oh gosh - am I making any sense at all
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 06:17 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: Oh gosh - am I making any sense at all |
On the contrary, you and Ciko are both making a lot of sense. It is unusual to have such thoughtful and honest posts here!
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 06:17 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: and ok forget family for a while....do you remember we used to take oath to be loyal to the system and Ataturk's elements..how can we expect these poor children to question system after we make him think that the system ( or the state) is as important as God..
we first need to change ourselves to change the destniy of our country |
....just stop criticising Catwoman! |
i wont do that mistake again
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