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Female consent to subordination
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 07:39 pm |
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In a study financed by the Turkish government and the EU at the University of Ankara, over 8,000 women were interviewed about domestic violence. Thirty-nine percent of the women believe that their husbands may have legitimate reasons for becoming violent. The reasons they named included: refusal to have sex, neglecting the children, thriftless behavior, contradicting their husbands, burning the dinner.
Burning the dinner? Oh my gosh.... That's almost 40% of women who allow their husbands to abuse them.
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 07:41 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: In a study financed by the Turkish government and the EU at the University of Ankara, over 8,000 women were interviewed about domestic violence. Thirty-nine percent of the women believe that their husbands may have legitimate reasons for becoming violent. The reasons they named included: refusal to have sex, neglecting the children, thriftless behavior, contradicting their husbands, burning the dinner.
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Offffffffff 
I cannot guarantee I would NOT get violent if my husband burned the dinner or refused to have sex either ....
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 07:43 pm |
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OMG!  Oppression (patriarchy) at its best is when you manage to convince the subordinated group that they should be oppressed! It's a result of brainwashing by family, relatives, the whole society. It's a normal response - for example children who come from abusive families believe that they deserved to be punished.
This is NOT consent! Consent is a conscious decision when the person is aware of all his/her options and is free to take either one.
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 07:43 pm |
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You forgot contradicting....
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 07:45 pm |
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I think I would be dead by now.... 
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 07:46 pm |
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...it reminds me of African-American slaves in North America who, after slavery was abolished, continued to "serve" their owners because they felt it their duty 
They had never known a different life, so felt that their treatment was "normal" and acceptable...
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 10:08 pm |
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I never understood why a woman would allow this to happen.
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23 Aug 2007 Thu 10:12 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: I never understood why a woman would allow this to happen. |
mentality, tea, mentality.
you'd also think so if you were raised in such traditions.
actually, its just a top of a huge iceberg.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 12:22 am |
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Quoting catwoman: OMG! Oppression (patriarchy) at its best is when you manage to convince the subordinated group that they should be oppressed! It's a result of brainwashing by family, relatives, the whole society. It's a normal response - for example children who come from abusive families believe that they deserved to be punished.
This is NOT consent! Consent is a conscious decision when the person is aware of all his/her options and is free to take either one. |
+1
Rights are either given or taken, but if the oppresseds are not aware that it's their right to have their rights, then we may wait hundreds of years that some evolution takes place, and for the opressors who are worse than the opressed, we have to wait for a thousands of years that some evolution takes place by their part.
Or... By some laws made by conscious civilized people (man/woman) will give (and even force) these rights to them.
So, that's why it's not always a good thing for a society to decide for themselves. I'm sure if we left it to people to decide for a law not to comdemn a husband for beating her wife we would be able to make such a law in these circumstances.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 12:33 am |
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Quoting mltm: So, that's why it's not always a good thing for a society to decide for themselves. I'm sure if we left it to people to decide for a law not to comdemn a husband for beating her wife we would be able to make such a law in these circumstances. |
Yes, very well put!  That's why democracy brings also bad things (like porn or relaxed gun laws) on top of the great things like personal freedoms.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 07:58 pm |
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wow, reading the posts of cato and melta i feel a relief!
sometmes i happen to read pleasing opinions 
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:03 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: wow, reading the posts of cato and melta i feel a relief!
sometmes i happen to read pleasing opinions |
So, now are we the threesome, since aenigma has left (or been kicked out of) it? 
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:08 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: wow, reading the posts of cato and melta i feel a relief!
sometmes i happen to read pleasing opinions |
I am sooo excited that we managed to please you fema!  
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:09 pm |
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Quoting mltm: So, now are we the threesome, since aenigma has left (or been kicked out of) it? |
Threesome?  What exactly do you have in mind dear? (just kidding, sorry - I have a dirty mind )
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:19 pm |
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girls,
i suggest you delete your posts before she reads them
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:20 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: girls,
i suggest you delete your posts before she reads them |
Why? Are you scared?
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:22 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: girls,
i suggest you delete your posts before she reads them |
Why? Are you scared? |
She wants to keep you out of the threesome/foursome maybe...
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:23 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: She wants to keep you out of the threesome/foursome maybe... |
Ouh! Now I am scared!!!!
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:36 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: girls,
i suggest you delete your posts before she reads them |
Why? Are you scared? |
She wants to keep you out of the threesome/foursome maybe... |
i just cant work out foursome
it sort of doesnt fit traditions :-S
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 08:41 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: i just cant work out foursome
it sort of doesnt fit traditions :-S |
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 09:06 pm |
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i think shes currently in love with egypt, so she has her own trio, apparently.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 09:07 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: i think shes currently in love with egypt, so she has her own trio, apparently. |
You are sick! 
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 09:22 pm |
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There will be no trio Meltem, see what kind of gang we are?...
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 09:28 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: i think shes currently in love with egypt, so she has her own trio, apparently. |
You are sick! |
i see you've learnt insulting.
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:11 am |
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Quoting catwoman: There will be no trio Meltem, see what kind of gang we are?... |
really?
jUST ı'M in such a lonely mood and emptiness these days that I need a protection of a group.
Okkk, those feminists always let new members pass out of their handss!!!
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:19 am |
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Quoting mltm: jUST ı'M in such a lonely mood and emptiness these days that I need a protection of a group.
Okkk, those feminists always let new members pass out of their handss!!! |
Forget THEM Meltem - join my gang! You know it makes sense.....
JOIN! JOIN! JOIN!
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:28 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
Forget THEM Meltem - join my gang! You know it makes sense.....
JOIN! JOIN! JOIN!
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You remind me of election's days ,,hee hee
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:30 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: jUST ı'M in such a lonely mood and emptiness these days that I need a protection of a group.
Okkk, those feminists always let new members pass out of their handss!!! |
Forget THEM Meltem - join my gang! You know it makes sense.....
JOIN! JOIN! JOIN!
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hahaha
You made me laugh at a time I was upset. How do this kind of things come to your mind?
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:32 am |
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Quoting mltm: hahaha
You made me laugh at a time I was upset. How do this kind of things come to your mind? |
Awwwwwww and you made me nearly cry when I was happy
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:33 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting teaschip1: In a study financed by the Turkish government and the EU at the University of Ankara, over 8,000 women were interviewed about domestic violence. Thirty-nine percent of the women believe that their husbands may have legitimate reasons for becoming violent. The reasons they named included: refusal to have sex, neglecting the children, thriftless behavior, contradicting their husbands, burning the dinner.
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Offffffffff
I cannot guarantee I would NOT get violent if my husband burned the dinner or refused to have sex either .... |
Well if my husband burnt the cooking, 1) I wouldn't be suprised and 2) All I could do is laugh and as for the sex part....when he wants you just leave him to squirm by himself or make him beg haha!
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:36 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: hahaha
You made me laugh at a time I was upset. How do this kind of things come to your mind? |
Awwwwwww and you made me nearly cry when I was happy
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What??  I made you upset??? Or did I make you cry while laughing out loud? Though I do not think I did either of it.
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:38 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: hahaha
You made me laugh at a time I was upset. How do this kind of things come to your mind? |
Awwwwwww and you made me nearly cry when I was happy
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What?? I made you upset??? Or did I make you cry while laughing out loud? Though I do not think I did either of it. |
Noooooooo - I meant your post "memorable things"
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:47 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
Noooooooo - I meant your post "memorable things" |
Ohh! Yea, it's one of a sad childhood memory. That child grew up, and changed a lot but if I could get the time back, I'd slap her on the face!
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:47 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: hahaha
You made me laugh at a time I was upset. How do this kind of things come to your mind? |
Awwwwwww and you made me nearly cry when I was happy
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What?? I made you upset??? Or did I make you cry while laughing out loud? Though I do not think I did either of it. |
Noooooooo - I meant your post "memorable things" |
Yes,me too
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:49 am |
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Quote: Quoting CANLI:
Noooooooo - I meant your post "memorable things" |
Yes,me too |
Hehe sorry. Next time, I'll try to find a more cheerful memory.
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:50 am |
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Quoting teaschip1: burning the dinner.
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Better learning kung fu then ,lol
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:53 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting AEnigma III:
Noooooooo - I meant your post "memorable things" |
Ohh! Yea, it's one of a sad childhood memory. That child grew up, and changed a lot but if I could get the time back, I'd slap her on the face! |
Children are so cruel sometimes. Whoever said "school days are the happiest of your life" obviously had a very short memory!
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:54 am |
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Quote: Quoting mltm: Quoting CANLI:
Noooooooo - I meant your post "memorable things" |
Yes,me too |
Hehe sorry. Next time, I'll try to find a more cheerful memory. |
Ohhh Canım,it must've been a hard thing for you in that small age.
But you know,glad that you've shared it with us,only if you told your mother,it would've been better and had less effect
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 12:55 am |
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Guys,wait,its not the right thread, we are doing it again ...lol
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 01:06 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Guys,wait,its not the right thread, we are doing it again ...lol |
Ooops - it was an accident 
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25 Aug 2007 Sat 02:12 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting catwoman: There will be no trio Meltem, see what kind of gang we are?... |
really?
jUST ı'M in such a lonely mood and emptiness these days that I need a protection of a group.
Okkk, those feminists always let new members pass out of their handss!!! |
Meltem, just please don't generalize this to ALL feminists . Let's just try to identify the individual mistakes.
You are of course part of the group, we're just experiencing temporary technical problems .
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