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Mt. Ararat
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27 Aug 2007 Mon 06:15 pm |
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Quoting bod: Biblical stories say that man was created to oversee the existing animals and dinosaurs could therefore pre-exist humans without any conflict. |
They could only pre-exist if you accept that God didn't actually create the Earth in 7 days. However, as nobody here will accept that these stories are fable and only based on "some truth", then your theory is incorrect in their eyes and it means that they ignore science.
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27 Aug 2007 Mon 06:16 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: Aenigma, you seem to forget the difference between belief and view  and i didnt call you view stupid..it was link |
Ciko - did you read it ALL?  You found ONE part of that text that was incorrect. What about the rest?
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i wont keep arguing. you know what i meant. i was just hurt because you called my belief stupid..maybe it is my achilles heel. and if you read my posts you will see i am clever enough to criticize my religion. please do not treat me as if i am being a bigoted muslim.
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27 Aug 2007 Mon 06:19 pm |
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Quoting ciko: i wont keep arguing. you know what i meant. i was just hurt because you called my belief stupid..maybe it is my achilles heel. and if you read my posts you will see i am clever enough to criticize my religion. please do not treat me as if i am being a bigoted muslim. |
Ciko I am NOT calling Islam stupid. I am only saying that this STORY should not be treated literally (in MY opinion).
I sincerely apologise for offending you and won't post any further on this thread 
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27 Aug 2007 Mon 06:20 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting bod: Biblical stories say that man was created to oversee the existing animals and dinosaurs could therefore pre-exist humans without any conflict. |
They could only pre-exist if you accept that God didn't actually create the Earth in 7 days. |
I actually explicited said that it is a pre-requisite for consolidation between creationalism and science that one accepts that the '7 days' quoted is figurative......
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27 Aug 2007 Mon 06:28 pm |
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Quoting bod: I actually explicited said that it is a pre-requisite for consolidation between creationalism and science that one accepts that the '7 days' quoted is figurative...... |
Are we having a North-South language problem?! I know you said it is a pre-requisite - I was pointing out that nobody posting here accepts that pre-requisite. I was not stepping on your point
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27 Aug 2007 Mon 06:35 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Are we having a North-South language problem?! |
If we are then there is a simple solution......you come here!
That way you can warm me up with a cuddle - there are never any problems with that language
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27 Aug 2007 Mon 06:37 pm |
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Quoting bod: If we are then there is a simple solution......you come here!
That way you can warm me up with a cuddle - there are never any problems with that language |
Offfffffffff youuuuuuuuuuuu
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27 Aug 2007 Mon 08:14 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting bod: If we are then there is a simple solution......you come here!
That way you can warm me up with a cuddle - there are never any problems with that language |
Offfffffffff youuuuuuuuuuuu |
*** puts finger on chin ***
-- oooooooooo - get you! --
*GiGGLe*
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27 Aug 2007 Mon 08:32 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: well, we muslims believe that the old testament is a holly book and also you can find the same issue in islam ( qoran). |
Ops sorry  I genuinely dont want to offend people, but I do wonder how you deal with "Adam and Eve" versus dinosaurs? Regarding the Ark, do you have any idea of the size the ark would have to be to accommodate all those animals (not to mention the fact that Noah would have to go to every country in the world to collect them!).
Surely, you take this as "fable"?  |
I am a practicing Catholic and I don't find your point of view offensive at all. In fact, I agree with you. I believe that much of the text in the Bible are stories to teach a lesson. I am sure many people would disagree with me, but really the story makes little or no sense whatsoever.
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27 Aug 2007 Mon 08:48 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: I saw a documentary on tv over the weekend about Noah's Ark and many people believe it is on Mt.Ararat. However, the Turkish government has been resistent in allowing explorations. Why is the Turkish government so resistent on this? |
Back to the original Q:
Mt Ararat is quite a sensitive issue.
For example, you have to get a permit to climb the mountain. It is much harder for a foreigner to get a permit than for a Turk. You also have to have one of the local guides to be able to go up it.
I think that it is political, not just religious.
Here are some reasons:
1. Mt Ararat is in the borderlands, and is claimed by Armenians as part of Armenia. The current Armenian adverts on CNN use the line "Armenia: Noahs route, your route". Maybe they don't want Armenia reviving its claims if it seems there will be a great lot of money to be made from tourists.
2. The wider area has been the site of conflict between PKK terrorists and Turkish army. Turkish government want to limit number of tourists going there as the more tourists the more likely a high profile kidnap case, and this would bomb Turkey's tourist industry.
3. Bible says the ark landed on Mount Ararat, Koran says Mount Cudi. Potential of religious conflict here.
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04 Sep 2007 Tue 12:13 am |
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Thanks for your explanation, much appreciated.
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