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Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?
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22 Oct 2007 Mon 06:50 am |
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Quoting ciko: i dont think that entering iraq will solve any problem. there will always be terrorists among kurdish as long as the governments ignore the problems in east. 80 % men in southeast are jobless!!! only about 10% people have computer!!! there are lots of problems...
imagine ..you are a kurdish in one of the towns in the east of Turkey and seeing beautiful lives on TV..in TV series..wonderful houses..beautiful cars..beautiful women..Istanbul..bosphorus..and you turn the TV off..and you look around..you realise how different your life is to lives you see on TV.. this make them think life in this country is unfair to them..this make them think that the state is not equal to its all citizens.
the next day..you get out of house..and suddenly a soldier or cop stops you on street and ask your ID card as if you did something wrong. he asks you questions like ' why you are here'.. then you go somehwere like cafe which all your friends ( most of them are jobless) sit until evening. you have nothing to do..no money to buy anything for your family..
i cant belive that our clever generals and politicans think the problem will be solved by a military campaign:S |
All though I haven't agreed with some of your posts in the past, you really gave me a good perspective of how some of the southeast of Turkey feels and lives.
But my question is, we have under priviledged people in every country, including mine. Some turn to violence, drugs and crime. But then you have the exceptions, those that change the cycle. These people become good standing citizens and have successful lives. Do they happen just to have more ambition or are they just plain lucky to have broken the cycle. This is what bothers me the most about my country. We have so many government grants and programs to assist people who are products of their enviornment and they don't seek the help.
Then I read posts like this and it just frustrates the hell out of me even more. To know that people in your country want to get help and the government doesn't hear the outcry.
So should we conclude that terrorism is basically based on the governments lack of response to help the under priviledged? These are terrorists from families who have no other means of life? Do terrorists typically follow in their parents shoes?
I would really would like to know what in the world would ever possess someone to strap a bomb on their back and blow themselves up. I always referenced this as a religous motivator for some of these terrorists.
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22 Oct 2007 Mon 07:13 am |
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This will make me the most unpopular by both sides. If countries involved cared about peace they would give the Kurdish people their own country. Kurdistan. A little bit of Turkey and a little bit of Iraq. OH NO! No one would want to do that, even though isn't it kind of the right thing to do? Not out of fear of the PKK, but aren't the Kurdish people a unique people and that is what they want? Just an idea...feel free to attack me now.
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22 Oct 2007 Mon 07:23 am |
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Quoting Badiabdancer74: This will make me the most unpopular by both sides. If countries involved cared about peace they would give the Kurdish people their own country. Kurdistan. A little bit of Turkey and a little bit of Iraq. OH NO! No one would want to do that, even though isn't it kind of the right thing to do? Not out of fear of the PKK, but aren't the Kurdish people a unique people and that is what they want? Just an idea...feel free to attack me now. |
No attacks from me. But in an ideal world and under God's eyes your insight is wise...However, being realistic and living in the present,this will never happen.
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22 Oct 2007 Mon 03:22 pm |
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This is a very naive statement. Are you really making the proposition that Turkey, Iran and Iraq give part of their territory to make a larger Kurdistan? Do you think this will bring peace in the area? Do this simple test. Put "map of kurdistan" & "map of armenia" in Google, pick image and see what you get. Then drill down and look at the resources included in the maps. You will see the maps all go to waterfront territory and include some of the same vital resources.
What you are calling for is segregation based on ethnic background. It's the same as whites wanting to live with and go to school with "their own kind", and give them territory where then can do it. Where will this end up?
If you extrapolate, we will we be doing DNA analysis to see just who belongs to what group and then "give" them their own territory? What then?
Turkey is a democratic country that has many ethnic groups as well as people who of mixed ethnicity. No country willingly gives up territory, and in particular vital territory.
Quoting teaschip1: Quoting Badiabdancer74: This will make me the most unpopular by both sides. If countries involved cared about peace they would give the Kurdish people their own country. Kurdistan. A little bit of Turkey and a little bit of Iraq. OH NO! No one would want to do that, even though isn't it kind of the right thing to do? Not out of fear of the PKK, but aren't the Kurdish people a unique people and that is what they want? Just an idea...feel free to attack me now. |
No attacks from me. But in an ideal world and under God's eyes your insight is wise...However, being realistic and living in the present,this will never happen. |
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22 Oct 2007 Mon 04:37 pm |
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Quoting alameda: This is a very naive statement. Are you really making the proposition that Turkey, Iran and Iraq give part of their territory to make a larger Kurdistan? Do you think this will bring peace in the area? Do this simple test. Put "map of kurdistan" & "map of armenia" in Google, pick image and see what you get. Then drill down and look at the resources included in the maps. You will see the maps all go to waterfront territory and include some of the same vital resources.
What you are calling for is segregation based on ethnic background. It's the same as whites wanting to live with and go to school with "their own kind", and give them territory where then can do it. Where will this end up?
If you extrapolate, we will we be doing DNA analysis to see just who belongs to what group and then "give" them their own territory? What then?
Turkey is a democratic country that has many ethnic groups as well as people who of mixed ethnicity. No country willingly gives up territory, and in particular vital territory. |
+100000000 I completely agree with you. You only have to look at history to ensure we don't make the same mistakes. Israel is a perfect example of the mess you cause when you "create" a new country...
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26 Oct 2007 Fri 07:41 pm |
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It did not take more than a few months for Indonasia and the representatives of Aceh to solve the "Aceh Problem," but it has taken more than 80 years for the Turks to recognize the very existence of the Kurdish people.
Turkey wants to become a member of the EU, but the behavior of Turkey is far from that of civilized Europe. The Turks don't even recognise the Iraqi Constitution and refuse negotiating with any Iraqi delegation with representatives of the Kurdistan Regional Government in it. If you don't negotiate with the constitutionally recognized Kurdistan Regional Government, then how can you expect them to solve your problems?!
Turks are famous for their nationalism. How does the average Turk view the possibility of getting more involved in this war?
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26 Oct 2007 Fri 07:54 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: It did not take more than a few months for Indonasia and the representatives of Aceh to solve the "Aceh Problem," but it has taken more than 80 years for the Turks to recognize the very existence of the Kurdish people.
Turkey wants to become a member of the EU, but the behavior of Turkey is far from that of civilized Europe. The Turks don't even recognise the Iraqi Constitution and refuse negotiating with any Iraqi delegation with representatives of the Kurdistan Regional Government in it. If you don't negotiate with the constitutionally recognized Kurdistan Regional Government, then how can you expect them to solve your problems?!
Turks are famous for their nationalism. How does the average Turk view the possibility of getting more involved in this war?
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Of course she will refuse to recognize.
Is there a government in Iraq?
Is there a constitution?
Has Iraq been split and we dont know?
Can you write a constitution under occupation?
Why has Turkey been speaking to USA for this problem then?
questions, questions, questions!!
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26 Oct 2007 Fri 08:02 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting teaschip1: It did not take more than a few months for Indonasia and the representatives of Aceh to solve the "Aceh Problem," but it has taken more than 80 years for the Turks to recognize the very existence of the Kurdish people.
Turkey wants to become a member of the EU, but the behavior of Turkey is far from that of civilized Europe. The Turks don't even recognise the Iraqi Constitution and refuse negotiating with any Iraqi delegation with representatives of the Kurdistan Regional Government in it. If you don't negotiate with the constitutionally recognized Kurdistan Regional Government, then how can you expect them to solve your problems?!
Turks are famous for their nationalism. How does the average Turk view the possibility of getting more involved in this war?
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Of course she will refuse to recognize.
Is there a government in Iraq?
Is there a constitution?
Has Iraq been split and we dont know?
Can you write a constitution under occupation?
Why has Turkey been speaking to USA for this problem then?
questions, questions, questions!!
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"Is there a constitution?" is a typical answer I was expecting here. What a shame there is so much ignorance you have for your fellow neighbor.
Could it just be that the Turkish government has concern regarding Iraqi Kurdistan, is that if it becomes independent, then Kurds in Turkey will want to separate from Turkey and join the new Kurdish state.
You never answered my question, please...
How does the average Turk view the possibility of getting more involved in this war?
Oh so you must not be an average Turk, my apologies...
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26 Oct 2007 Fri 08:38 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting teaschip1: It did not take more than a few months for Indonasia and the representatives of Aceh to solve the "Aceh Problem," but it has taken more than 80 years for the Turks to recognize the very existence of the Kurdish people.
Turkey wants to become a member of the EU, but the behavior of Turkey is far from that of civilized Europe. The Turks don't even recognise the Iraqi Constitution and refuse negotiating with any Iraqi delegation with representatives of the Kurdistan Regional Government in it. If you don't negotiate with the constitutionally recognized Kurdistan Regional Government, then how can you expect them to solve your problems?!
Turks are famous for their nationalism. How does the average Turk view the possibility of getting more involved in this war?
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Of course she will refuse to recognize.
Is there a government in Iraq?
Is there a constitution?
Has Iraq been split and we dont know?
Can you write a constitution under occupation?
Why has Turkey been speaking to USA for this problem then?
questions, questions, questions!!
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"Is there a constitution?" is a typical answer I was expecting here. What a shame there is so much ignorance you have for your fellow neighbor.
Could it just be that the Turkish government has concern regarding Iraqi Kurdistan, is that if it becomes independent, then Kurds in Turkey will want to separate from Turkey and join the new Kurdish state.
You never answered my question, please...
How does the average Turk view the possibility of getting more involved in this war?
Oh so you must not be an average Turk, my apologies...
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An avg Turk? may be I am..
You never get a lesson from History do you?
You dont see what is happening in israel and palestine do you?
you have no idea the entire northern iraq is getting its food from Turkey, do you?
You have no idea what might happen to Kurds once you left, do you?
You have no idea you let them down in the past and Saddam gassed them with the gas bought from you, do you?
You have no idea, how pathetic is to insist that there is a free Iraq, do you?
do you want us to believe and army can invade a country and hold elections and dictate a constitution?
How naive is that?
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26 Oct 2007 Fri 08:40 pm |
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(( Nothing Much Shameful than the Blind and Blood-Sucker Nationalism for the Humanity! ))
I mean the both sides of this crisis Turk and Kurds...
Do you want questions and answers about that?
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26 Oct 2007 Fri 08:46 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting teaschip1: It did not take more than a few months for Indonasia and the representatives of Aceh to solve the "Aceh Problem," but it has taken more than 80 years for the Turks to recognize the very existence of the Kurdish people.
Turkey wants to become a member of the EU, but the behavior of Turkey is far from that of civilized Europe. The Turks don't even recognise the Iraqi Constitution and refuse negotiating with any Iraqi delegation with representatives of the Kurdistan Regional Government in it. If you don't negotiate with the constitutionally recognized Kurdistan Regional Government, then how can you expect them to solve your problems?!
Turks are famous for their nationalism. How does the average Turk view the possibility of getting more involved in this war?
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Of course she will refuse to recognize.
Is there a government in Iraq?
Is there a constitution?
Has Iraq been split and we dont know?
Can you write a constitution under occupation?
Why has Turkey been speaking to USA for this problem then?
questions, questions, questions!!
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"Is there a constitution?" is a typical answer I was expecting here. What a shame there is so much ignorance you have for your fellow neighbor.
Could it just be that the Turkish government has concern regarding Iraqi Kurdistan, is that if it becomes independent, then Kurds in Turkey will want to separate from Turkey and join the new Kurdish state.
You never answered my question, please...
How does the average Turk view the possibility of getting more involved in this war?
Oh so you must not be an average Turk, my apologies...
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An avg Turk? may be I am..
You never get a lesson from History do you?
You dont see what is happening in israel and palestine do you?
you have no idea the entire northern iraq is getting its food from Turkey, do you?
You have no idea what might happen to Kurds once you left, do you?
You have no idea you let them down in the past and Saddam gassed them with the gas bought from you, do you?
You have no idea, how pathetic is to insist that there is a free Iraq, do you?
do you want us to believe and army can invade a country and hold elections and dictate a constitution?
How naive is that? |
To answer your questions/statements which ever they are;
1.)You never get a lesson from History? Not sure what you mean.
2.) Yes, I see clearly what is happening to Israel..
3.) Yes, I understand food & equipment is coming through Turkey into Iraq.
4.) Yes, I understand why might happen to Kurds when we leave.
5.) Yes, I understand we have let them down in the past.
6.) Yes, it's pathetic to think Iraq is a totally free country.
7.) Yes, they did hold elections and they do have a constitution.
So, what is your point here?
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