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Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?
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70.       Serdar07
428 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 10:26 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting KeithL:

I really dont understand anyones objections here. What would the US do if sandiego was getting attacked by terrorists in tiajuana?



Let's see capture them, take their tequila, smoke their weed and make them work under the table?



Pienso que ha sucedido esto ya, mi hermano



No comprende!



Means...we already did, my friend!!


Then keep in your minds all friends how the westrern people laughing and lookin down on our mentality here in the middle east... We are wild toys and want much of our blood to be sheded!! Turks to drink kurds blood and then Kurds to drink Turkish blood what else of nonesense we can do for the west world than this... Oh Almighty please let my people in this poor region to think???

71.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 10:30 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Me burro esta muerto



Sorry about the donkey!

72.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 10:33 pm

Quoting Serdar07:

Turks to drink kurds blood and then Kurds to drink Turkish blood what else of nonesense we can do for the west world than this... Oh Almighty please let my people in this poor region to think???



My biggest fear is that this is not just political - it is radically racial too. Will it just be terrorists who are targeted?

Too many innocent people have died in Iraq. Please no more...

73.       teaschip
3870 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 10:35 pm

Quoting Serdar07:

As Wilhelm Reich said in his book many years ago " Listen Little Man!"
http://www.listenlittleman.com/
Here I can again tell every blind and empty prouded nationalistic from all nations " Listen Little Nationalist!"
While you are in the middle east and crying that the West World is looking down on you remember you are imitating them but with so bad timing. In Europe the Nationalistic Wars do nothing than making the people poor and backwards but after the World War II they learned the lesson very well and made the EU. But now here in the Middle-East still there are little men calling for imitating the wars done 1000 years ago.
If you are not Deaf , then listen little nationalist better to call for peace in this region than your wild shouting for more blood.



I just finished reading this. It seems to be a pretty deep book, Serdar07 with some reflection involved. Have you ever heard of "little man syndrome"? I appreciate you sharing this with us..

74.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 11:02 pm

Quoting teaschip1:


Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting teaschip1:

It did not take more than a few months for Indonasia and the representatives of Aceh to solve the "Aceh Problem," but it has taken more than 80 years for the Turks to recognize the very existence of the Kurdish people.

Turkey wants to become a member of the EU, but the behavior of Turkey is far from that of civilized Europe. The Turks don't even recognise the Iraqi Constitution and refuse negotiating with any Iraqi delegation with representatives of the Kurdistan Regional Government in it. If you don't negotiate with the constitutionally recognized Kurdistan Regional Government, then how can you expect them to solve your problems?!

Turks are famous for their nationalism. How does the average Turk view the possibility of getting more involved in this war?



Of course she will refuse to recognize.
Is there a government in Iraq?
Is there a constitution?
Has Iraq been split and we dont know?
Can you write a constitution under occupation?
Why has Turkey been speaking to USA for this problem then?

questions, questions, questions!!





"Is there a constitution?" is a typical answer I was expecting here. What a shame there is so much ignorance you have for your fellow neighbor.

Could it just be that the Turkish government has concern regarding Iraqi Kurdistan, is that if it becomes independent, then Kurds in Turkey will want to separate from Turkey and join the new Kurdish state.

You never answered my question, please...

How does the average Turk view the possibility of getting more involved in this war?

Oh so you must not be an average Turk, my apologies...


An avg Turk? may be I am..
You never get a lesson from History do you?
You dont see what is happening in israel and palestine do you?
you have no idea the entire northern iraq is getting its food from Turkey, do you?
You have no idea what might happen to Kurds once you left, do you?
You have no idea you let them down in the past and Saddam gassed them with the gas bought from you, do you?

You have no idea, how pathetic is to insist that there is a free Iraq, do you?

do you want us to believe and army can invade a country and hold elections and dictate a constitution?
How naive is that?



To answer your questions/statements which ever they are;
1.)You never get a lesson from History? Not sure what you mean.
2.) Yes, I see clearly what is happening to Israel..
3.) Yes, I understand food & equipment is coming through Turkey into Iraq.
4.) Yes, I understand why might happen to Kurds when we leave.
5.) Yes, I understand we have let them down in the past.
6.) Yes, it's pathetic to think Iraq is a totally free country.
7.) Yes, they did hold elections and they do have a constitution.

So, what is your point here?


Well..
Dont you know what happened in 1917s British occupation of Iraq?
In a nut shell:
They invade Iraq easily; after the invasion insurgency start;Lloyd George says they can abondon Iraq to anarchy; They suggest Syria might be involved!!;uprasings in Kufa 1920; Shia -ultimate- leader Yazdi(did not support rebellion); local shia Badr (supported rebellion);Najaf 1920;Fallujah 1920; July 1922 constitution, referandum with 96% majority;
The result was:
THE BRITISH FAILED.
=====
Similarities? can you figure them out?
easy invasion; insurgency; cant leave now because of the mess; Syria, Iran accusations;Ali Sistani; Muqtada El-sadr; kufa;najaf;fellujah; constitution;
The result will be:
...............(you can fill the dots)

you really dont see this..do you?
The point is that IRAQ is not your country.
You are just passing by..
Oil robbers..That is how you are called in the entire middle east.
About the invasion of Northern Iraq, I already told my opinion about it. I am against it. The problem Turkey is having is in its borders not in northern Iraq.

75.       mylo
856 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 11:19 pm

Britain has always invaded and pillaged places that they shouldn't had been in,I'm English(sorry British,I don't want to end up in court in some racist slur)and I can't find a reason to defend this country.
It's a bit off topic but,I heard a great story today about the 'Great Brittishness'
Politicians here are claiming upto 200K per year in expenses(aswell as their 100k per year they already earn),yet my Mother has woked for 55 years without a break,and without claiming any benefits,now she has come to retirement,she's been promised a whole 50 quid a week!Illegal immigrants coming to this country get more than this,sorry and without shame Handsom and being a native even,I agree with you and what you said,we pay the price of the greedy few above us in our illustrious history and our ever undefendable future what can we say?

76.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 11:21 pm

Quoting mylo:

I can't find a reason to defend this country.



Nor can I !!!!! I am glad to NOT be a nationalist

77.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 11:27 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting mylo:

I can't find a reason to defend this country.



Nor can I !!!!! I am glad to NOT be a nationalist


It is really great that both of you can see the problems in your countries and aren't afraid to criticize it, but you should also appreciate the great things you have and defend them. Or... you may end up having much less and not being able to criticize it! Sure, Europe had done bad things in the past, but let's finally move on and build the future instead of shooting ourselves in the feet! You guys really have much more then most of the world does. There ARE reasons to defend your country.

78.       mylo
856 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 11:39 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting mylo:

I can't find a reason to defend this country.



Nor can I !!!!! I am glad to NOT be a nationalist


It is really great that both of you can see the problems in your countries and aren't afraid to criticize it, but you should also appreciate the great things you have and defend them. Or... you may end up having much less and not being able to criticize it! Sure, Europe had done bad things in the past, but let's finally move on and build the future instead of shooting ourselves in the feet! You guys really have much more then most of the world does. There ARE reasons to defend this country.



Please give us some!our health service is being privatised as we speak,we are taxed to the hilt,all public services have been privatised from the Thatcher years,all industry is now in third world countries(jobs gone)we produce nothing!We have a major issue with education,in that 3 out of 5 kids leaving primary school can't even read,the people who built this country are also being rammed by this country,the rich poor divide is similar to that of the Grand Canyon,and we have entered an illegal war on the order of a thicket in America,anyway at least we have the weather..... oh no we don't even have that either.....give me a min i'll find something to celebrate

79.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Oct 2007 Fri 11:48 pm

Quoting mylo:

Please give us some!our health service is being privatised as we speak,we are taxed to the hilt,all public services have been privatised from the Thatcher years,all industry is now in third world countries(jobs gone)we produce nothing!We have a major issue with education,in that 3 out of 5 kids leaving primary school can't even read,the people who built this country are also being rammed by this country,the rich poor divide is similar to that of the Grand Canyon,and we have entered an illegal war on the order of a thicket in America,anyway at least we have the weather..... oh no we don't even have that either.....give me a min i'll find something to celebrate


I have not seen any social healthcare work yet, so... maybe the quality will finally improve!
Your taxes go up and lazy people have more money then those who work because of the welfare state, nothing wrong with privatization.
I don't know about the jobs, but there's tons of immigrants in your country, so it can't be that bad! You're still richer per capita then 90% of the world!
Weather...? Give this option to anyone from sunny Antalya, let's see if they will hesitate. Please, set your priorities straight.

Freedom of speech, civil liberties, relative equality, opportunities to name a few! Would you prefer an islamist state? Or something like in Russia where people who criticize Putin mysteriously disappear?
I find it to be quite ignorant when someone claims that they can't say anything good about Britain.

80.       CANLI
5084 posts
 27 Oct 2007 Sat 02:42 am

Quoting alameda:

This is a very naive statement.


+ 1000000

And İtaly should demand the Roman's land, and Pharaoh's ask for their land too,and the chance will come finally for Native americans to take both their land and their rights !

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