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20.       Leelu
1746 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 06:30 pm

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Lisi Loo:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Anyway You may believe whatever you want the cross or this piece of paper both are the same...
If you think your cross may save you from something... Believe in whatever you want I don't care...

sounds to me like you are atheist ..




No I'm not... I believe in God. But not on those stupid piece of paper or silver...



People are entitled to believe in what they want... Its totally up to them, otherwise, it would be a very boring world, dont you think?

If you didnt care in what people believed in, why bother posting a comment?



Because people think this is a part of Islam... What people believe should not be misunderstood with what the religion is really. Already in this forum there is so many things which were said about religion and were false so I say that piece of paper is stupid and not a part of Islam.


just because you don't believe in it. It doesn't make it stupid. You don't hear those of muslim faith saying that wearing the cross of jesus is stupid. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, however when our opinion tries to mark one group or another as stupid then it becomes insulting. We do not insult the difference in religions as then we are throwing stones at glass houses.

21.       Karine
57 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 06:32 pm

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Lisi Loo:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Anyway You may believe whatever you want the cross or this piece of paper both are the same...
If you think your cross may save you from something... Believe in whatever you want I don't care...

sounds to me like you are atheist ..




No I'm not... I believe in God. But not on those stupid piece of paper or silver...



People are entitled to believe in what they want... Its totally up to them, otherwise, it would be a very boring world, dont you think?

If you didnt care in what people believed in, why bother posting a comment?



Because people think this is a part of Islam... What people believe should not be misunderstood with what the religion is really. Already in this forum there is so many things which were said about religion and were false so I say that piece of paper is stupid and not a part of Islam.


just because you don't believe in it. It doesn't make it stupid. You don't hear those of muslim faith saying that wearing the cross of jesus is stupid. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, however when our opinion tries to mark one group or another as stupid then it becomes insulting. We do not insult the difference in religions as then we are throwing stones at glass houses.



yes you're right this is why I retracted...

22.       Leelu
1746 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 06:35 pm

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Lisi Loo:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Anyway You may believe whatever you want the cross or this piece of paper both are the same...
If you think your cross may save you from something... Believe in whatever you want I don't care...

sounds to me like you are atheist ..




No I'm not... I believe in God. But not on those stupid piece of paper or silver...



People are entitled to believe in what they want... Its totally up to them, otherwise, it would be a very boring world, dont you think?

If you didnt care in what people believed in, why bother posting a comment?



Because people think this is a part of Islam... What people believe should not be misunderstood with what the religion is really. Already in this forum there is so many things which were said about religion and were false so I say that piece of paper is stupid and not a part of Islam.


just because you don't believe in it. It doesn't make it stupid. You don't hear those of muslim faith saying that wearing the cross of jesus is stupid. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, however when our opinion tries to mark one group or another as stupid then it becomes insulting. We do not insult the difference in religions as then we are throwing stones at glass houses.



yes you're right this is why I retracted...

it appears we posted at the same time ..

23.       Seraph
162 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 06:40 pm

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Lisi Loo:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Anyway You may believe whatever you want the cross or this piece of paper both are the same...
If you think your cross may save you from something... Believe in whatever you want I don't care...

sounds to me like you are atheist ..




No I'm not... I believe in God. But not on those stupid piece of paper or silver...



People are entitled to believe in what they want... Its totally up to them, otherwise, it would be a very boring world, dont you think?

If you didnt care in what people believed in, why bother posting a comment?



Because people think this is a part of Islam... What people believe should not be misunderstood with what the religion is really. Already in this forum there is so many things which were said about religion and were false so I say that piece of paper is stupid and not a part of Islam.



Karine I am Muslim, and if my fiance sent me that "s" piece of paper I would gladly wear it...No it is not necissary, but it is as prayer beads are, or as catholics Saints neclaces...Stop being so harsh with Religion and beliefs. It is not the belief but the culture yes, but it is still beuaitful the way people show thier love for thier religion. I love Islam, and I would gladly wear/do anything for Islam that is Halal. In this case, a neclace with a prayer on it...Don't be so harsh..

24.       Karine
57 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 06:42 pm

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Lisi Loo:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Anyway You may believe whatever you want the cross or this piece of paper both are the same...
If you think your cross may save you from something... Believe in whatever you want I don't care...

sounds to me like you are atheist ..




No I'm not... I believe in God. But not on those stupid piece of paper or silver...



People are entitled to believe in what they want... Its totally up to them, otherwise, it would be a very boring world, dont you think?

If you didnt care in what people believed in, why bother posting a comment?



Because people think this is a part of Islam... What people believe should not be misunderstood with what the religion is really. Already in this forum there is so many things which were said about religion and were false so I say that piece of paper is stupid and not a part of Islam.


just because you don't believe in it. It doesn't make it stupid. You don't hear those of muslim faith saying that wearing the cross of jesus is stupid. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, however when our opinion tries to mark one group or another as stupid then it becomes insulting. We do not insult the difference in religions as then we are throwing stones at glass houses.



yes you're right this is why I retracted...

it appears we posted at the same time ..



Yes!
nobody can make another person believe in something. It comes from the heart.

25.       Karine
57 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 06:47 pm

Quoting Seraph:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Lisi Loo:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Anyway You may believe whatever you want the cross or this piece of paper both are the same...
If you think your cross may save you from something... Believe in whatever you want I don't care...

sounds to me like you are atheist ..




No I'm not... I believe in God. But not on those stupid piece of paper or silver...



People are entitled to believe in what they want... Its totally up to them, otherwise, it would be a very boring world, dont you think?

If you didnt care in what people believed in, why bother posting a comment?



Because people think this is a part of Islam... What people believe should not be misunderstood with what the religion is really. Already in this forum there is so many things which were said about religion and were false so I say that piece of paper is stupid and not a part of Islam.



Karine I am Muslim, and if my fiance sent me that "s" piece of paper I would gladly wear it...No it is not necissary, but it is as prayer beads are, or as catholics Saints neclaces...Stop being so harsh with Religion and beliefs. It is not the belief but the culture yes, but it is still beuaitful the way people show thier love for thier religion. I love Islam, and I would gladly wear/do anything for Islam that is Halal. In this case, a neclace with a prayer on it...Don't be so harsh..



I do not think I am harsh... The web makes you think that.
It cannot send the emotions...
What I say is this; Since you're muslim you should learn your religion from good sources... I am sure your fiance doesn't have bad intention but he just doesn't know about Bidah in Islam. Try to search by yourself.

26.       Leelu
1746 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 07:26 pm

Quoting Karine:


I do not think I am harsh... The web makes you think that.
It cannot send the emotions...
What I say is this; Since you're muslim you should learn your religion from good sources... I am sure your fiance doesn't have bad intention but he just doesn't know about Bidah in Islam. Try to search by yourself.


What is Bidah to Sunni may not be Bidah to Shi'a. Which leads us back to the original discussion. Because one believes it does not make it necessarily wrong.

27.       Karine
57 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 07:47 pm

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:


I do not think I am harsh... The web makes you think that.
It cannot send the emotions...
What I say is this; Since you're muslim you should learn your religion from good sources... I am sure your fiance doesn't have bad intention but he just doesn't know about Bidah in Islam. Try to search by yourself.


What is Bidah to Sunni may not be Bidah to Shi'a. Which leads us back to the original discussion. Because one believes it does not make it necessarily wrong.



In the muslim world the majority is sunni and also in Turkey the majority is sunni.
Shia are a minority in Iran. Sunni doesn't consider them as believer.
Shiism is a islamic sect.

28.       Seraph
162 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 08:14 pm

Quote:


What is Bidah to Sunni may not be Bidah to Shi'a. Which leads us back to the original discussion. Because one believes it does not make it necessarily wrong.



Thankyou for explaining ..I was writting a post about this when my fiance came online..

btw I found out the name of the neclace my fiance wears. It is called "cevşen" Are you Muslim Karine?

29.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 08:18 pm

You trust me, I have seen many of them. I heard about how they are written on those little papers.
They have nothing to do with Islam. They have nothing to what they believe. It is like old wives tales.
So it is absolutely rubbish.

30.       Leelu
1746 posts
 12 Nov 2007 Mon 08:24 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

You trust me, I have seen many of them. I heard about how they are written on those little papers.
They have nothing to do with Islam. They have nothing to what they believe. It is like old wives tales.
So it is absolutely rubbish.

but does it make it any less viable than christians wearing a cross? imo it is merely a belief and maybe to you it is "rubbish" but to the person that wears it they feel closer to Allah, God.

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