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13 Nov 2007 Tue 05:29 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: I dont know why people wear crosses. I have no idea to be honest.
But I have some ideas about muska type of things.
Because I grew up with them.
Some examples: My neighbour's son and his wife could not have childeren for many years. Did they go to hospital? no. Instead they prefered to go to 'hocas' and got many many muskas for it(they paid a furtune as well). Some one's husband was a DUDU (your term  ), liked to fool around. The answer: go to a hoca and ask for a muska (pay money of course) to tie him to his home. A young beutiful girl was delirious, hospital? no. find a hoca to take the genie out of her (god knows how he was doing it!) and get a muska..
Many many examples you can find about it.
For me it represents 'ignorance'.
And I wont hesitate rubbishing it.
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I'm glad you don't hesitate rubbishing it!  But... where the heck did you live!?????   |
here there is an insult to Muska... not by the handsome... by those stupid peoples and hocas who does this...
Muska is actually is a pray! and asking for being better and feeling soon for example, when you are ill or down...
i remember when i was a small child, i was ill... we had gone to doctor... but also my uncle (who is imam) has written something... thats belief! you just pray for getting better soon.
if somebody has done sth like that for cross... i would react the same... there should some respect to the values of peoples believes... and this is should be done first of all by the people who says they are religous and represents the religion... |
I agree Sui, I do believe there should be some respect to the values and people's beliefs even if we have a hard time understanding. I will be the first to admit, I need more tolerance in this area.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 05:35 pm |
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A gold cross requires much less material than the rectangular gold plate it is cut out of (carved from).
The reason why crosses are preferred over plates can be easily and scientifically explained....they are cheaper to buy...
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 05:37 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: I agree Sui, I do believe there should be some respect to the values and people's beliefs even if we have a hard time understanding. I will be the first to admit, I need more tolerance in this area. |
I don't understand why does EVERYBODY at any time have to respect your beliefs??? I think that's unfair to those who disagree with you and have DIFFERENT beliefs.
I think there are situations in which it is appropriate to respect other people's beliefs, but at the same time, people have to have the freedom of speech to disagree with other people's beliefs and call them "rubbish".
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 05:40 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting teaschip1: I agree Sui, I do believe there should be some respect to the values and people's beliefs even if we have a hard time understanding. I will be the first to admit, I need more tolerance in this area. |
I don't understand why does EVERYBODY at any time have to respect your beliefs??? I think that's unfair to those who disagree with you and have DIFFERENT beliefs.
I think there are situations in which it is appropriate to respect other people's beliefs, but at the same time, people have to have the freedom of speech to disagree with other people's beliefs and call them "rubbish". |
How would you feel? if somebody has called your belief rubbish? or your thesis which you "believe" it will be accepted, is called by your proffessor as rubbish?
thats the matter dear catwoman...freedom of speech is good... but when it starts to hurt other people then i cant call it freedom of speech anymore...
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 05:48 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: How would you feel? if somebody has called your belief rubbish? or your thesis which you "believe" it will be accepted, is called by your proffessor as rubbish?
thats the matter dear catwoman...freedom of speech is good... but when it starts to hurt other people then i cant call it freedom of speech anymore... |
Of course I might feel bad, but I could also defend myself, right? Then I could avoid that person, "disrespect" his/her beliefs or agree to disagree - whichever I prefer.
Of course I agree that if an insult is delivered with the purpose of hurting someone, that's wrong, but there has to be room for people to disagree with your beliefs and call them "rubbish" if that's what they think.
In democracy you probably can't avoid hearing people who think your beliefs are rubbish, but then you just have to learn to live with that and be less sensitive to criticism. In other words the inability to handle criticism is those people's problem that they have to learn to deal with.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 05:53 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting teaschip1: I agree Sui, I do believe there should be some respect to the values and people's beliefs even if we have a hard time understanding. I will be the first to admit, I need more tolerance in this area. |
I don't understand why does EVERYBODY at any time have to respect your beliefs??? I think that's unfair to those who disagree with you and have DIFFERENT beliefs.
I think there are situations in which it is appropriate to respect other people's beliefs, but at the same time, people have to have the freedom of speech to disagree with other people's beliefs and call them "rubbish". |
I didn't say you had to AGREE with every religion, hell I don't even agree with some of my own religons teachings.
However, religion is a VERY sensitive subject and is taken very seriously by millions of people. Who the hell am I to say that my religon is better and your's must be wrong or better yet start insulting some one.
If the guy wants to carry a piece of paper and he believes this brings him closer and safer to his high power, who the hell am I too make fun of him. I may not agree with him, but I would at least show some tact and be a little more conscious of how I would respond.
I do believe in Freedom of Speech, however I also am aware when it's appropriate and when it's not.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 05:58 pm |
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Professor Richard Dawkins - An Atheist's Lecture on Religion
THE GOD DELUSION
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=richard+dawkins&search=Search
1. BEWARE ! The lecture may be offensive to devout believers.
2. Do not miss the second part of the lecture, if you have listened to Part I of the lecture, and not been struck by god's lightnings yet.
3. Those interested in "The God Delusion" may find other videos featuring Dawkins interesting too.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 05:59 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting SuiGeneris: How would you feel? if somebody has called your belief rubbish? or your thesis which you "believe" it will be accepted, is called by your proffessor as rubbish?
thats the matter dear catwoman...freedom of speech is good... but when it starts to hurt other people then i cant call it freedom of speech anymore... |
Of course I might feel bad, but I could also defend myself, right? Then I could avoid that person, "disrespect" his/her beliefs or agree to disagree - whichever I prefer.
Of course I agree that if an insult is delivered with the purpose of hurting someone, that's wrong, but there has to be room for people to disagree with your beliefs and call them "rubbish" if that's what they think.
In democracy you probably can't avoid hearing people who think your beliefs are rubbish, but then you just have to learn to live with that and be less sensitive to criticism. In other words the inability to handle criticism is those people's problem that they have to learn to deal with. |
got your point... you are right... but you know to be able to crictisize people has to know everything in its true way and why they are called and said to be like this...
you know i have to debate 
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:04 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: I didn't say you had to AGREE with every religion, hell I don't even agree with some of my own religons teachings.
However, religion is a VERY sensitive subject and is taken very seriously by millions of people. Who the hell am I to say that my religon is better and your's must be wrong or better yet start insulting some one.
If the guy wants to carry a piece of paper and he believes this brings him closer and safer to his high power, who the hell am I too make fun of him. I may not agree with him, but I would at least show some tact and be a little more conscious of how I would respond.
I do believe in Freedom of Speech, however I also am aware when it's appropriate and when it's not. |
Considering that belief is a personal thing, someone's saying that his/her beliefs are better then another person's is just utterly ridiculous because all you can say is that your beliefs are better FOR YOU. However, someone can always look at your beliefs, analyze them and comment on them - for the sake of expressing her/his opinion about it. It may hurt your feelings if you hear/read it, but that person has the right to say what they think.
I agree that sometimes it's inappropriate - for example if you are in someone's house, being hosted by a person who believes in something, you have to show respect.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:07 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: you know to be able to crictisize people has to know everything in its true way and why they are called and said to be like this... |
No Sui, you don't have to know everything in its true way, you just may say that something doesn't make sense TO YOU and state a reason why you think so. Someone can always disagree with your comments as well.
Quoting SuiGeneris: you know i have to debate |
Hehehe, good - at least someone responds to my posts!
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:09 pm |
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Quoting catwoman:
I don't understand why does EVERYBODY at any time have to respect your beliefs??? I think that's unfair to those who disagree with you and have DIFFERENT beliefs.
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İ must say that is one of the strangest questions i ever heared .
Well,because we are human and we tend to respect each other ?!
Because we dont live in a jungle which we should fight when we dont agree with each other ?
Respect someone beliefs is respecting the person himself
Because you represent your beliefs
You live,act accourding to what you believe or else you would be hypocrite,believing something and doing something else.
There is much difference between AGREE with that beliefs and RESPECT it.
Of course everyone has the right to agree or disagree ,that İS democracy.
But also,if you disagree , they still have the right you respect what they believe,and that İS democracy too.
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