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Trudy :(
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15 Nov 2007 Thu 10:38 pm |
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I'm sorry to see her leave too. I hope everything is ok with her, I know she was worried about her job. Hopefully things will work out for her. 
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15 Nov 2007 Thu 10:42 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I can't believe it, but Trudy has gone. She has been deleted at her own request 
I will really really miss your posts, humour, essays and photographs Trudy. I hope you read this and come back soon.  |
really  :-S
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15 Nov 2007 Thu 10:54 pm |
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Why request to be deleted? She could simply go away.
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15 Nov 2007 Thu 10:59 pm |
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Maybe she didn't want to get messages in her email box..Who knows, I'm sure she has her reasons..
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15 Nov 2007 Thu 11:01 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: I know she was worried about her job. |
I don't think being labelled as a promiscuity promoter helped either...
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15 Nov 2007 Thu 11:13 pm |
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oh nooooo .. I hope she is ok ..
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16 Nov 2007 Fri 12:07 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting teaschip1: I know she was worried about her job. |
I don't think being labelled as a promiscuity promoter helped either... |
come on, silly fascist, we are labelled everyday.
we should be above all that.
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16 Nov 2007 Fri 03:28 am |
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I will miss her so much. She gives such good advice and I could really relate to her independant spirit. I truely admire her! It's a great loss for TC.
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16 Nov 2007 Fri 03:55 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I don't think being labelled as a promiscuity promoter helped either... |
Who said that!!!!!!!???    
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16 Nov 2007 Fri 11:40 am |
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not easy to find a sharing,caring,respectfull one like her,so really very sad her goes,anyway i hope she gets everyting enough in her life...
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17 Nov 2007 Sat 12:22 am |
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İm sorry that she left ..she was very helpful,and made lots of contributions to TC,i wish her all the best,and come back soon
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17 Nov 2007 Sat 01:28 am |
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Could someone explain to me why Trudy has left? She seemed to be enjoying the site, I couldn't figure out...
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17 Nov 2007 Sat 11:41 am |
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Trudy has appointed me to take over her job 
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17 Nov 2007 Sat 11:44 am |
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Quoting Chantal: Trudy has appointed me to take over her job |
we do hope you ll do your best!
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17 Nov 2007 Sat 12:17 pm |
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Suprised to see Trudy go, and sadly her photos and essays too
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 03:10 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III:
I don't think being labelled as a promiscuity promoter helped either... |
come on, silly fascist, we are labelled everyday.
we should be above all that. |
Well, IMHO some people may like to throw insults at each other, but many of us don't. I don't expect to be talked to rudely, and I try not to talk rudely to others.
I am astounded at the comments that some classmates receive when they send things for translation. I get many p.m.s asking for translation saying "I don't dare put this on the open forum as I will get losts of insults."
Sadly, Trudy is not the only person who has (or could have) made great contributions to the site but has given up because no one has to put up with being insulted. I know of two expats who have vast experience in Turkey who didn't stay in class longer than one week because of the antics of the small group who think they are smart insulting others.
Trudy, I loved your posts and your contributions. I hope you return.
How about a reverse coup? Those of us who are serious about learning Turkish (do you ever see the insulters able to answer a single question about Turkish language??? or an indepth issue about Turkish culture or history e.g. one that doesn't involve behaviour of waiters) will just start to trash the insulters, and tell them to go and spoil Gujurati Class or Mongolian Class instead.
Maybe then great contributors like Trudy will return .... until then, I don't think we deserve her.
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 03:33 pm |
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I think you are a fantastic member of this site Marion and contribute so much. However, I had not realised we could only join in discussions as "worthy" members. I don't see the many "insults" posted here that you see.
Quoting MarioninTurkey: Well, IMHO some people may like to throw insults at each other, but many of us don't. I don't expect to be talked to rudely, and I try not to talk rudely to others. |
Frankly I find sexist comments insulting and rude - but my protesting of them seems to be considered ruder!
Quoting MarioninTurkey: I am astounded at the comments that some classmates receive when they send things for translation. I get many p.m.s asking for translation saying "I don't dare put this on the open forum as I will get losts of insults." |
If you can see that somebody is being duped or conned it is hard to stay neutral. In addition, I see none of these girls attempting to learn Turkish.
Quoting MarioninTurkey:
Sadly, Trudy is not the only person who has (or could have) made great contributions to the site but has given up because no one has to put up with being insulted. I know of two expats who have vast experience in Turkey who didn't stay in class longer than one week because of the antics of the small group who think they are smart insulting others. |
Well I certainly remember ONE of your expat friends - who managed to include/promote the name of your bookshop in just about every post. I think we commented on it but nobody insulted her.
Quoting MarioninTurkey:
How about a reverse coup? Those of us who are serious about learning Turkish (do you ever see the insulters able to answer a single question about Turkish language??? or an indepth issue about Turkish culture or history e.g. one that doesn't involve behaviour of waiters) will just start to trash the insulters, and tell them to go and spoil Gujurati Class or Mongolian Class instead.
Maybe then great contributors like Trudy will return .... until then, I don't think we deserve her.
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Well, if I am the reason for Trudy leaving then I will happily step aside if it means her returning. 
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 07:53 pm |
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Quoting MarioninTurkey:
Well, IMHO some people may like to throw insults at each other, but many of us don't. I don't expect to be talked to rudely, and I try not to talk rudely to others.
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nice, what a nice and gentle person you are, marion! i definetly have so much to learn from you. everyone and everything is woderful, so let us love each other and respect each other no matter what we are and what we do.
Quoting MarioninTurkey:
I am astounded at the comments that some classmates receive when they send things for translation. I get many p.m.s asking for translation saying 'I don't dare put this on the open forum as I will get losts of insults.'
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OMG, those poor nice ladies, victims of the public, OMG and their defender marion. and you suport their great LOVE by translating them, by becoming their tongue! what a lovely person you are! we should fall onto our kneels and kiss your toes for doing such a great charity!
we are interested in those PMs, marion, we wanna read them! show us!
Quoting MarioninTurkey:
Sadly, Trudy is not the only person who has (or could have) made great contributions to the site but has given up because no one has to put up with being insulted. I know of two expats who have vast experience in Turkey who didn't stay in class longer than one week because of the antics of the small group who think they are smart insulting others.
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now, let me commit suicide! we are losing the best people due to a small group BED people!
Quoting MarioninTurkey:
Trudy, I loved your posts and your contributions. I hope you return. |
i bet she is reading all this.
Quoting MarioninTurkey:
How about a reverse coup? |
Quoting MarioninTurkey:
Those of us who are serious about learning Turkish (do you ever see the insulters able to answer a single question about Turkish language???
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i dont remember insulting serious 'holy' language learners
Quoting MarioninTurkey:
Mongolian Class instead. |
it is hard to imagine the mongolian waiters! does anyone know about mongolian resort workers?
Quoting MarioninTurkey:
Maybe then great contributors like Trudy will return .... until then, I don't think we deserve her.
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people are divided into great and non-great! trudy is great and femme is no great! should i start ?
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 07:57 pm |
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and pls for goodness sake, stop making martyrs out of those who left! its f...ng sick!
wanna leave? leave then, dont make a dramma!
you tragedy lovers!
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 09:01 pm |
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OMG somebody else has been sucking lemons 
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 09:02 pm |
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I think we are getting a little ...uhm...out of topic here!!I am new in TC but I like it.It helps me a lot and I try to help other people who are worse in turkish than me.And there are poeple here who actually spend time from their lives voluntarily and help us,learners and I beleive one of them is marion too.Femme nobody said anything abt u being bad and all or abt others I think marion tried to say that some people here use this site for the wrong reasons.And as Alpha says,teasing is ok but courtesy is needed and maybe when some people tease here others those 'others" get insulted maybe.And I agree there are many girls-women-whatever who are desperaely in love and need translations and stuff and when in love they do tend to be too"askimsevgilimbitanemsin" but it's love and it's u know....well..it sux to have a relationship on the phone or on pc and if u can't help it it's even more difficult and love is blind..and yadda yadda yadda..Well I did propose to some people here to try and translate on their own and then ask for corrections,coz it's the only way to learn.And it is quite sad when people who DO contribute to this site suddenly leave coz every little bit of help is precious for us,beginners!
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 09:07 pm |
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Quoting Delidolu: And as Alpha says,teasing is ok but courtesy is needed |
Oh please!
Is this the same AlphaF who told a Kurdish member here to "go back to the hills boy" or the same one who insults/puts down women on a regular basis? 
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 09:49 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Delidolu: And as Alpha says,teasing is ok but courtesy is needed |
Oh please!
Is this the same AlphaF who told a Kurdish member here to "go back to the hills boy" or the same one who insults/puts down women on a regular basis? |
See?sometimes people tend to be rude...my point exactly...a lot of misunderstandings happen so Marion is right when she says that we should all try to be a little more gentlemanlike
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 09:58 pm |
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Quoting Delidolu: I think we are getting a little ...uhm...out of topic here!!I am new in TC but I like it.It helps me a lot and I try to help other people who are worse in turkish than me.And there are poeple here who actually spend time from their lives voluntarily and help us,learners and I beleive one of them is marion too.Femme nobody said anything abt u being bad and all or abt others I think marion tried to say that some people here use this site for the wrong reasons.And as Alpha says,teasing is ok but courtesy is needed and maybe when some people tease here others those 'others' get insulted maybe.And I agree there are many girls-women-whatever who are desperaely in love and need translations and stuff and when in love they do tend to be too'askimsevgilimbitanemsin' but it's love and it's u know....well..it sux to have a relationship on the phone or on pc and if u can't help it it's even more difficult and love is blind..and yadda yadda yadda..Well I did propose to some people here to try and translate on their own and then ask for corrections,coz it's the only way to learn.And it is quite sad when people who DO contribute to this site suddenly leave coz every little bit of help is precious for us,beginners! |
ok, delidolu, i just let you go, because you re sort of new.
if you dont mind to look at marions post to whom it was addressed? this is first.
the second, you re new, and dont know that its usually me who people call rude or a haterad spreader and all that blah, blah, which i dont care at all. or even worse i cant live without those descriptions of mine! im
and did you think i got upset with marions comments about me? and were comforting me? 
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 10:14 pm |
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Quote:
ok, delidolu, i just let you go, because you re sort of new.
if you dont mind to look at marions post to whom it was addressed? this is first.
the second, you re new, and dont know that its usually me who people call rude or a haterad spreader and all that blah, blah, which i dont care at all. or even worse i cant live without those descriptions of mine! im
and did you think i got upset with marions comments about me? and were comforting me? |
no I just wanted to make peace with everybody.I like you and Marion and Alpha I think you are doing a great job here and I just hate when people start these kind of "fight" coz we are here to learn first of all,to help others learn secondly and then eventually make friends coz we all share the common love for the turkish language and culture and heh d*d*s hehehe  jk really  pp
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 10:19 pm |
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Let me help some of you with an example of Insulting posts
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 10:23 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Let me help some of you with an example of Insulting posts |
oh, libra, our eagle of justice!
according to marion we bed girls are insulting those who try to learn the language, but no way i can see them learning not only language but anything at all.
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 10:34 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting libralady: Let me help some of you with an example of Insulting posts |
oh, libra, our eagle of justice!
according to marion we bed girls are insulting those who try to learn the language, but no way i can see them learning not only language but anything at all.
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And that is your problem?
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 10:46 pm |
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what problem, libra?
what problem?
do i need to have a problem to express myslef?
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 11:35 pm |
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Mother Teresa's Anyway Poem
People are often unreasonable, illogical and self centered;
Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;
Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies;
Succeed anyway.
If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;
Be honest and frank anyway.
What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;
Build anyway.
If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;
Be happy anyway.
The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;
Do good anyway.
Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;
Give the world the best you've got anyway.
You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and your God;
It was never between you and them anyway.
[Reportedly inscribed on the wall of Mother Teresa's children's home in Calcutta, and attributed to her. However, an article in the New York Times has since reported (March 8, 2002) that the original version of this poem was written by Kent M. Keith.]
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18 Nov 2007 Sun 11:55 pm |
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a person who was an altruist, mother teresa, tho im far from worshipping personalities, i just can show my respect.
did you hear that alabnian so much tolerant muslim community is against the monument of teresa - the project of gov of albania to be proud of her personality?
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19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:25 am |
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Quoting libralady: Let me help some of you with an example of Insulting posts |
This is an insult! There are FAR MORE than this
I dont see your point though - we are not the ones complaining about them or hypocritically holding ourselves up as the paragons of tolerance and kindness to others
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19 Nov 2007 Mon 05:53 am |
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Quoting Delidolu: we should all try to be a little more gentlemanlike |
You realize that some of us are women, right? Are you then suggesting that we should change genders? 
To all men out there: Don't try to be "gentleman-like" - be humans and treat others like humans as well!
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19 Nov 2007 Mon 07:18 am |
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Quoting MarioninTurkey: Well, IMHO some people may like to throw insults at each other, but many of us don't. I don't expect to be talked to rudely, and I try not to talk rudely to others. |
+1
Quoting MarioninTurkey: I am astounded at the comments that some classmates receive when they send things for translation. I get many p.m.s asking for translation saying "I don't dare put this on the open forum as I will get losts of insults." |
This whole idea of the love letter translations is very shady to me and it may sound brutal, but maybe it's better for some of those people to not get their translations..
Quoting MarioninTurkey: Sadly, Trudy is not the only person who has (or could have) made great contributions to the site but has given up because no one has to put up with being insulted. I know of two expats who have vast experience in Turkey who didn't stay in class longer than one week because of the antics of the small group who think they are smart insulting others. |
I think you're talking about two different "groups" here! One which comments on the translation requests and one which made Trudy leave.
Quoting MarioninTurkey: Trudy, I loved your posts and your contributions. I hope you return. |
Me too!
Quoting MarioninTurkey: How about a reverse coup? Those of us who are serious about learning Turkish (do you ever see the insulters able to answer a single question about Turkish language??? or an indepth issue about Turkish culture or history e.g. one that doesn't involve behaviour of waiters) will just start to trash the insulters, and tell them to go and spoil Gujurati Class or Mongolian Class instead. |
But Marionin - there are all kinds of reasons why people are interested in Turkish culture and want to exchange ideas on this web site. They don't all have to be serious Turkish learners and have an in-depth knowledge about Turkey.
I of course agree that insulting others is wrong, but some people need to grow up a little and handle some healthy criticism instead of reacting with a tantrum.
Don't you think it's a bit of a double standard to say that it's not ok to insult Turkish language learners but it's ok to insult Mongolian language learners? I don't like this idea!
Quoting MarioninTurkey: Maybe then great contributors like Trudy will return .... until then, I don't think we deserve her. |
I'm afraid it's a bit more complicated than you think...
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19 Nov 2007 Mon 10:43 am |
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Quoting femme_fatal: what problem, libra?
what problem?
do i need to have a problem to express myslef?
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It was a question.
Is it your problem? Meaning is it your problem that people ask for translations?
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19 Nov 2007 Mon 05:29 pm |
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I get tons of PMs from young girls asking me for advice about their Turkish boyfriends....and quite honestly I am tired of it. In all the time I have been here I have seen the same thing happen over and over again, heard the same sms, then witnessed the same train wreck at the end of it all. It has made me very jaded and I think some of the other members too. Perhaps when you see my posts you should concider the fact that I have already received several PMs from the same people asking for advice.
I don't know why Trudy left but I concidered her a friend and I will miss her.
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19 Nov 2007 Mon 06:04 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting femme_fatal: what problem, libra?
what problem?
do i need to have a problem to express myslef?
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It was a question.
Is it your problem? Meaning is it your problem that people ask for translations? |
libra, i admire you
i personally do not have problem with any translation, i dont live with those dudus nor with ££££.
but however, im fully entitled to give my opinion, wether you are happy with that or not.
i just wonder why do my comments bother you? you must have had some problems, libra, reading them between your naps.
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19 Nov 2007 Mon 06:28 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting libralady: Quoting femme_fatal: what problem, libra?
what problem?
do i need to have a problem to express myslef?
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It was a question.
Is it your problem? Meaning is it your problem that people ask for translations? |
libra, i admire you
i personally do not have problem with any translation, i dont live with those dudus nor with ££££.
but however, im fully entitled to give my opinion, wether you are happy with that or not.
i just wonder why do my comments bother you? you must have had some problems, libra, reading them between your naps. |
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21 Nov 2007 Wed 02:07 am |
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Quoting femme_fatal: a person who was an altruist, mother teresa, tho im far from worshipping personalities, i just can show my respect.
did you hear that alabnian so much tolerant muslim community is against the monument of teresa - the project of gov of albania to be proud of her personality? |
to tell the truth I am against erecting monuments to commemorate people!I think mother Theresa would be proud if instead of her statue a hospital or shelter will be built.Anyway,religion pretty often obscures the mind!No cure for that so let it be...
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21 Nov 2007 Wed 02:09 am |
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Quoting kafesteki kus: to tell the truth I am against erecting monuments to commemorate people!... |
+1000
However, I make exception with the statue of Jimi Hendrix recently put up near where I live. Its WONDERFUL!
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21 Nov 2007 Wed 02:14 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting kafesteki kus: to tell the truth I am against erecting monuments to commemorate people!... |
+1000
However, I make exception with the statue of Jimi Hendrix recently put up near where I live. Its WONDERFUL! |
Don't forget Jim Morrison...
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21 Nov 2007 Wed 02:15 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting kafesteki kus: to tell the truth I am against erecting monuments to commemorate people!... |
+1000
However, I make exception with the statue of Jimi Hendrix recently put up near where I live. Its WONDERFUL! |
your comment made me laugh and brought back to Polish times.In one of Polish Upper Silesian cities there was a monument of Russian army soldier with a gun which looked like a guitar.somebody repainted it at night and wrote-For Jimmy Hendrix-a nation,all the city laughed and it became a legend.teenagers,including me had their dates in front of Jimmy Hendrix,haha..Thanx for recalling sweet adolescense days!!!
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21 Nov 2007 Wed 02:28 am |
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Awwwwwww this is just for you then KKus
http://www.dimbola.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1109&Itemid=1007
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21 Nov 2007 Wed 02:49 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Awwwwwww this is just for you then KKus
http://www.dimbola.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1109&Itemid=1007
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Thank u,Thank u,Thank u!!!!Exactly the same!!!!
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