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Burka vs. Bikini - The Debauchery of American Womanhood
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 01:20 pm |
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 01:54 pm |
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 02:01 pm |
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Wow, this is really shocking and terrible! Thank you for the article Roswitha.
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 02:09 pm |
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 02:20 pm |
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Thanks, Roswitha. Eye-opening...
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 04:04 pm |
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More evidence that mankind has taken a GIANT LEAP BACKWARD in the muslim world. So much for tolerance.
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 04:05 pm |
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 04:27 pm |
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Quoting Roswitha: would you say only in some parts of the Muslim world?? |
Unfortunately, sexism is not limited to the Muslim world but it seems to be tolerated fairly well.
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 05:25 pm |
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Quote: Luxury hotels have opened on the coast, which apply strict Islamist rules, offering guests, for example, beaches and swimming pools segregated by sex.
Sales of hasema swimming costumes that cover religiously observant women from head to toe and include a head covering are booming. |
Well I understand the Britney Spears theory, but my god seperate beaches, pools and hasema swimming attire is just too radical.
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 06:21 pm |
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Quoting Roswitha: the author's views are disputable
http://www.rense.com/general29/deb.htm |
The author's view are quite extreme in many areas and quite true in one or two. Note the reply at the bottom of the web-page, this gentleman put what I thought nicely - far better than I could ever have worded it, I have cut and pasted it here for people to read:
Comment
From Mike Harris
ParMrh@aol.com
9-20-2
While Dr. Makow makes some valid observations concerning some of the flawed perspectives directed towards and about women in Western Society, he fails miserably to produce any true insight.
The comparison of a "Miss America" Contestant with the "average" Burka-covered Muslim female is ludicrous--were women expected to be parading on our city streets or going to the market dressed in Bikinis it might be an apt comparison, but such is not the case. Further, the inadequacies of Britney Spears as a Teenage Role Model have been pointed out many times by others--including Spears herself recently.
Dr. Makow seems to use the term "independent" in connection with women as some sort of slang insult,and he competely ignores that the so-called revered status of Muslim womanhood amounts to them being treated as Property .
In America, women are treated as a Commodity due to their beauty (as are Men) -- IF they wish to be and IF they allow it . But bottom-line, they have The Freedom to either self-promote or reject the status of Commodity.
In the Muslim rigid framework of existence, women are Property, and are subject to cruelty far greater than any so-called Western "debauchery".
"The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle. "
That is the only unassailable statement Dr. Makow makes---all else is simply proof that a Ph.D doesn't necessarily guarantee a perceptive viewpoint, merely that the author's Opinion shall be printed somewhere.
--- Mike Harris (no Ph.D...but no Personal Agenda, either...)
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 06:27 pm |
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I think that is the major problem that most Western women have with coverings....If women CHOOSE them that is fine but being force to wear them, whether by government or family, is absolute oppression. I also object strongly to the assumption that if you don't wear them, you are some kind of harlot.
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 07:31 pm |
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Roswitha posted two different articles in this thread... in case you didn't realize (I was confused at first).
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 07:36 pm |
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 09:15 pm |
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i dont understand the facts of comparing two things. 
first, how many of western women live/work/function in bikini suit only?
second, how many muslim women are forced to veil themselves?
why are these two things compared?
its like comparing 1% to 95% any logic here? 
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 10:17 pm |
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Hadi canım! Have a look at the other thread where you made the same comparison  aferin sana!
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 10:24 pm |
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Quoting azade: Hadi canım! Have a look at the other thread where you made the same comparison aferin sana! |
you thought i dont know what i post in here and what i post another place?
what makes you so happy about?
there should not be comparison between western bikini women (who are the minority of ther western society) and the hijab/burka women who stand for the majority of muslim world.
do you get my point? statistics, not looks, im talking here!
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 10:27 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting azade: Hadi canım! Have a look at the other thread where you made the same comparison aferin sana! |
you thought i dont know what i post in here and what i post another place? |
Never underestimate Femme, Azade 
She has the memory (and ass) of an elephant 
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 10:29 pm |
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Quote:
She has the memory (and ass) of an elephant |
I am SOOO jealous!!! 
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 10:43 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting azade: Hadi canım! Have a look at the other thread where you made the same comparison aferin sana! |
you thought i dont know what i post in here and what i post another place? |
Never underestimate Femme, Azade
She has the memory (and ass) of an elephant |
should i be proud of being an elephant now?
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 10:49 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: should i be proud of being an elephant now? |
Definitely! 
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 10:53 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: should i be proud of being an elephant now? |
Definitely! |
good night to all binturongs
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 11:01 pm |
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See now we're talking comparisons! Brute and stubborn
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 11:07 pm |
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Quoting azade: See now we're talking comparisons! Brute and stubborn |
talking to yourself?
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 11:13 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting azade: See now we're talking comparisons! Brute and stubborn |
talking to yourself? |
Oha be! Iyi geceler hope you wake up on your good side tomorrow
Seems that only jokes about others are funny when YOU make them
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 11:20 pm |
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first, how many of western women live/work/function in bikini suit only?
second, how many muslim women are forced to veil themselves?
why are these two things compared?
its like comparing 1% to 95% any logic here?
Ha ha! For the first time ever I agree with and am amuzed by something Femme has said!  I think it is really beneficial to compare percentages. 1% is really an interesting percentage as opposed to 95% which is really a crude and silly number. OHHH, you mean 1% run around in a bikini and 95% veil themselves...I thought you meant comparing the ACTUAL number Percentages...it's still a little funny, but not as funny as I thought it was at first.
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 11:25 pm |
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Quoting azade: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting azade: See now we're talking comparisons! Brute and stubborn |
talking to yourself? |
Oha be! Iyi geceler hope you wake up on your good side tomorrow
Seems that only jokes about others are funny when YOU make them |
i rarely am in a good mood
i find no reason to be happy!
if i were you i wouldnt count on femmes good side!
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 11:41 pm |
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goodnight rose, dont forget put new link at morning
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07 Dec 2007 Fri 02:00 am |
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Quoting elham: goodnight rose, dont forget put new link at morning |
or...  what about making a classification based on the thematics, ordering the topics from november after the frequency of reading and the number of replies each have got? 
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