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Turkish and or muslim dress
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 04:09 pm |
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Quoting azade: That's exactly what I'm thinking...they wanted to get viewers. That's understandable. But I'm really disappointed because the image they are portraying of islam is distorted and the public is already negative towards islam because of such horrible and unislamic beings as terrorists. Yeter artık! |
the tv programme didnt show islam as a terrorist religion, but opposite it shwoed it a very soft version.
the imam tried to show it more westernised way, you sure know that muslims arent that soft and patient in real.
the british convert has shown her "great" patience toward the new comers. 
the true islam is in saudi arabia
the true islam would never be able to co-exist with the western pattern of freedom and democracy.
im also so disappointed that TV didnt show the real islam in its own backward traditional essense. 
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 04:11 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005:
Yes they do portray a very strict way of practicing Islam. |
hahahaha
didnt they serve the softer and true version practised in islamic states?
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 04:18 pm |
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Quoting azade: The main "guide" or what it is they call him doesn't seem to live according to islam even and I don't think any devoted muslims would approve of much they are doing in the program.
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hes doing all his best to make it acceptable to the civilised world.
Quoting azade:
What they do is just focus on the stuff everyone knows like no alcohol, no pork, when showing prayer it's the sujud position...there are so many signs that it's not a serious program.
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but its all about islam. theres nothing else in islam except the rules and mohamed.
Quoting azade:
It doesn't look like they actually want to teach people anything about the essence of islam.
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you tell us the essence of islam
Quoting azade:
At the beginning of the clip one of the participants may be wearing a cloth around her head but it's certaintly not hijab...so many things.
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but clothing is very essential to muslims. arent they fighting for hijabs in turkey and europe to wear them at universities?
Quoting azade:
I doubt the guide person is an actual imam.
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i doubt on your knowledge about islam.
Quoting azade:
It's great that oen of the participants changed their view a little but they are still showing a false imge of islam.
If they want to do it they should do it right |
yes, they showed the false image of islam.
because they dont dare to show the real and true face of it, they had to veil with western standards. but they are in a great mistake: islam doesnt fit to the humany development.
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 04:45 pm |
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Dearest fem I'm not gonna read your post 
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 05:01 pm |
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Quoting azade: Dearest fem I'm not gonna read your post |
dearest azade,(actually im changing my post)
hello, nothing!
you already have read them.
and have no contra-arguments
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 06:23 pm |
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You are too predictable darling. I didn't care for reading on and on about your opinion which I think is crystal clear to everyone.
Are you stalking me or how do you know if I had read your posts miss know it all? Saw the mass quoting and decided there are much better things to spend December 23 on 
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 08:03 pm |
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Quoting azade: You are too predictable darling.
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i know you are my adorer!
Quoting azade:
I didn't care for reading on and on about your opinion which I think is crystal clear to everyone.
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yes, my opinions are crystal clear.
but some are not enough smart to see
Quoting azade:
Are you stalking me
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its in my turkish habbit
Quoting azade:
or how do you know if I had read your posts miss know it all?
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 ermmm....
im a mindreader 
Quoting azade:
Saw the mass quoting and decided there are much better things to spend December 23 on |
i thought you were bored and was giving you a chance to spend your precious time with me.
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 08:17 pm |
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I wonder if Femme has ever met a 'REAL Muslim' or a person who practices the religion at all. Bashing a religion as a whole is just stupid. To understand another religion you have to be willing to suspend your current beliefs, see the culture(s) from which the religion came and REally study it like you would study anything else. Religions get messed up by humans. People read their own agendas into the text and can justify just about anything by skewing the words. This is an unfortunate human problem. To come here to a Turkish forum where there are no doubt Muslims and bash the religion, that is rude. Femme doesn't care she is a very rude person with no regard for others beliefs or feelings.
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 08:28 pm |
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Quoting Badiabdancer74: I wonder if Femme has ever met a 'REAL Muslim' or a person who practices the religion at all. Bashing a religion as a whole is just stupid. To understand another religion you have to be willing to suspend your current beliefs, see the culture(s) from which the religion came and REally study it like you would study anything else. Religions get messed up by humans. People read their own agendas into the text and can justify just about anything by skewing the words. This is an unfortunate human problem. To come here to a Turkish forum where there are no doubt Muslims and bash the religion, that is rude. Femme doesn't care she is a very rude person with no regard for others beliefs or feelings. |
Hmmm.... the point is, at least in my case, that I don't care about the religion per se. I care only about what actually happens because of this religion/in the name of it/in the group of people who practice this religion. It doesn't really matter what a REAL islam is, who cares? Nobody even knows what it is! What matters is what ACTUALLY happens in islamic countries and in islamic ghettos in europe and around the world. THIS is what we are criticizing here.
As to Turkish muslims here - if they are decent people, they should also stand up against the radicalism and hatred that is being preached by their religion.
BTW, it is a rather funny argument to say that "foamy probably never met real muslims". What if she did??? in that case, all you said would be invalid... I'm afraid
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 08:34 pm |
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Quoting Badiabdancer74: I wonder if Femme has ever met a 'REAL Muslim' or a person who practices the religion at all. Bashing a religion as a whole is just stupid. To understand another religion you have to be willing to suspend your current beliefs, see the culture(s) from which the religion came and REally study it like you would study anything else. Religions get messed up by humans. People read their own agendas into the text and can justify just about anything by skewing the words. This is an unfortunate human problem. To come here to a Turkish forum where there are no doubt Muslims and bash the religion, that is rude. Femme doesn't care she is a very rude person with no regard for others beliefs or feelings. |
badia, come on, this is boring!
i heard it thousands of times.
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23 Dec 2007 Sun 08:40 pm |
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Yes, what about the expectations for men in the religion? Why is there so much attention on what the women are doing? From what I have read of the Quoran it says how men are to behave as well. I was reading pages 2 and 3 of this thread, very interesting points were made. BTW. Rape is about power more than sex, disregard for the other persons feelings and domination. You all were also talking about Objectification, which is quite common thinking among sex-offenders (at least in the United States). Staring at/regarding women as objects rather than sentient beings. I was confused in Turkey in "practical application' Islam when we were driving from my fiance's home to a bellydance class I had on full coverage excercise pants and he said other men would be staring at my crotch and I should change. WTF? I guess in the United States in big cities no one cares if people look at you or not. In small towns it is different, especially the south, I could see a man saying the same thing. SOCIAL VS RELIGION RULES...very interesting.
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