Yes, what about the expectations for men in the religion? Why is there so much attention on what the women are doing? From what I have read of the Quoran it says how men are to behave as well. I was reading pages 2 and 3 of this thread, very interesting points were made. BTW. Rape is about power more than sex, disregard for the other persons feelings and domination. You all were also talking about Objectification, which is quite common thinking among sex-offenders (at least in the United States). Staring at/regarding women as objects rather than sentient beings. I was confused in Turkey in "practical application' Islam when we were driving from my fiance's home to a bellydance class I had on full coverage excercise pants and he said other men would be staring at my crotch and I should change. WTF? I guess in the United States in big cities no one cares if people look at you or not. In small towns it is different, especially the south, I could see a man saying the same thing. SOCIAL VS RELIGION RULES...very interesting.

Wow, that was harsh. I didn't say I understood Islam, I haven't done the 3 things I said to completely understand a religion. I know more about Islam from the family that owns the Moroccan Restaurant where I have danced for 5 years. So living in a country with a religion gives you the right to bash the people who practice it??? You can bash rape or subjugation of women or women as 2nd class citizens, these issues are cross-cultural and across religions.
By the way. I have studied Oriental Dance long before I went to Turkey. LONG before I met my fiance. True, I did mock some dancers I saw in Turkey in 2 of my videos. I consider it really rooted in Egypt anyway in Raks Sharqi, where I first went to study.

Why are you going to make a fight instead of talking about one of the other points I brought up?

What are you talking about Badia??? I am NOT talking about some philosophical set of religious rules, what it's "supposed" to mean, all that metaphysical crap, what the "books say"... Let's stop that conversation right now, I don't care about it. We are talking and criticizing here what the religion actually does IN PRACTICE, in real life, what actually happens!!!! Yeah, maybe the Koran does say that men should be decent, but if you look at how men actually behave - then you'll see that it's anything but!!!!

Religion vs culture - religion is a product of culture, therefore it is related to it. However, if you continuously brainwash people with certain ideas, they will remain in the past, backward culture. Sure there are perverts in europe and US, but because they aren't brainwashed with stupid ideas like "women can be raped if they aren't with a man", and instead they are being punished for such behavior, then they are forced to evolve!!!

You guys will bash whatever I add, I imagine even this. I think Catwoman at least does it in a way that is understandable. There is a divide between what is practiced and what religions are supposed to be, that is what I said. Religions in practice support bad things sometimes. My point is this is something that is not unique to Islam. This is something that happens when humans try to follow a religion.

Catwoman, thanks for showing a bit of kindness. If I knew how to make those cool smilies I would send you flowers too. I agree with what you said about speaking out against human injustice. Maybe we need to be more specific in what we are bashing in the future. Maybe there can be clubs formed from this?