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No tolerance even for Say's Web site
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:18 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Is anyone at all surprised that many Turkish nationalists can't handle any criticism? Is this really "news"?  |
Lisa, the man himself is a nationalist, for god's sake! It is not the nationalists attacking him 
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:22 pm |
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Quoting silence: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting silence: we are all free to speak about anything and they are free to put us in jail for that. doesn't that sound like free country? |
speaking and jailing are two different things! |
are they?
well.. i know someone who was in jail just what he's said.. but maybe i m wrong.. sorry.. |
Freedom to speak is not the right to utter everything that pops up to your mind. It is the freedom to chose and say what is wise, correct, honest, suitable, polite and pragmatic among all the possible things that can be said.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:29 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Freedom to speak is not the right to utter everything that pops up to your mind. It is the freedom to chose and say what is wise, correct, honest, suitable, polite and pragmatic among all the possible things that can be said. |
As long as you're not causing physical harm to anyone, you should be able to say anything you want. What you are describing is censorship, a very familiar concept in your culture.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:40 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AlphaF: Freedom to speak is not the right to utter everything that pops up to your mind. It is the freedom to chose and say what is wise, correct, honest, suitable, polite and pragmatic among all the possible things that can be said. |
As long as you're not causing physical harm to anyone, you should be able to say anything you want. What you are describing is censorship, a very familiar concept in your culture. |
Whether or not what one might say cause physical harm to others may be negligible, compared to what harm may be inflicted on the speaker by others, if you believe freedom to speak is the freedom to say absolutely whatever one wants.
What you recommend will lead to an absolute chaos. Lack of recognized rules will leave the physically strong ones to enjoy the privilege to speak as they wish...others will have to keep quiet, in fear.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:44 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Whether or not what one might say cause physical harm to others may be negligible, compared to what harm may be inflicted on the speaker by others by others, if you believe freedom to speak is the freedom to say absolutely whatever you want. |
Unless people are used to hearing criticism and freedom of speech is protected by law (instead of punished).
Quoting AlphaF: What you recommend will lead to absolute chaos. Lack of recognized rules will leave the physically strong ones to enjoy the privilege to speak as they wish...other will have to keep quiet, in fear. |
That is the point, no physical harm should be allowed (that includes jail, shutting down of a web site... etc.). Everybody should be free to express their ideas, minorities AND majorities. For example, in the UK the majority is agnostic yet, they can't freely express their opinions about religions because the minorities become violent.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:50 pm |
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Look, you miss the whole point of discussion...can you not understand the difference between "FREEDOM TO UTTER WHATEVER YOU WANT" and "FREEDOM FOR PRAGMATIC CRITISIZM"?
The issue here is not CENSORSHIP.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:51 pm |
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I understand. One is freedom of speech, the other is censorship.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:54 pm |
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That is exactly why some people irritate others here....we shall have to wait until you grow up !
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:55 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: That is exactly why some people irritate others here....we shall have to wait until you grow up ! |
Yes, it sure can be very irritating for the ones who live sheltered lives. That's why THEY need to grow up.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:56 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: The issue here is not CENSORSHIP. |
What is it then?  Government propaganda?
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27 Dec 2007 Thu 12:05 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AlphaF: The issue here is not CENSORSHIP. |
What is it then? Government propaganda? |
LAW AND ORDER.....You might need both yourself, one day!
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