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04 Jan 2008 Fri 02:56 pm |
For the last 12 months, I have been following the news in Turkey via Today's Zaman. I also know of The New Anatolian . . . also in english.
Can anyone please give me a run down on the advantages/disadvantages of these newspapers and any others there are? Also, I have been told that I should read a paper written in Turkish if I want to develop my language. Can someone recommend a suitable one?
Thanks in advance
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 03:04 pm |
Quoting peace train: For the last 12 months, I have been following the news in Turkey via Today's Zaman. I also know of The New Anatolian . . . also in english.
Can anyone please give me a run down on the advantages/disadvantages of these newspapers and any others there are? Also, I have been told that I should read a paper written in Turkish if I want to develop my language. Can someone recommend a suitable one?
Thanks in advance |
I asked this question a while ago, I got the answer, but then you decide for yourself what happened next.................
p.s. I will find the thread
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 03:27 pm |
http://www.thy.com/tr-TR/corporate/skylife/index.aspx
http://www.thy.com/en-INT/corporate/skylife/index.aspx
these links are Turkish airlines magazine SKYLIFE, both (first) Turkish and (second) English. You can use these links simultaneously for studying Translation. Most of the links contain reviews about must-see places in Turkey, Turkish meals, people and traditions, You also may check airline tickets BY TURKISH AIRLINES with appropriate link on the pageç
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 03:31 pm |
More links about Turkish news
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/
http://www.turkishpress.com/
www.turkishnewsweekly.com
www.turkishnewsagency.com
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 03:31 pm |
Quoting TURQuazman: http://www.thy.com/tr-TR/corporate/skylife/index.aspx
http://www.thy.com/en-INT/corporate/skylife/index.aspx
these links are Turkish airlines magazine SKYLIFE, both (first) Turkish and (second) English. You can use these links simultaneously for studying Translation. Most of the links contain reviews about must-see places in Turkey, Turkish meals, people and traditions, You also may check airline tickets BY TURKISH AIRLINES with appropriate link on the pageç |
This is the best inflight magazine I have ever seen! I like them so much I actually take them home with me. I still have the copy when I last went to Istanbul 2 years ago. I remember Roswitha posting something about these too, I think Skylife won an award??
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 04:00 pm |
What can you guess about a man, if you are only told that he lived a long, happy, rich life among Chicago gangsters?
What can you guess about a man, if you are only told that he prefers to read ZAMAN ?
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 04:02 pm |
Skylife has a lot of insights and is very educational.As the Turks are fond of saying
May your life be filled with festivals!
Gümüşhane Sacred Shrine Festival, Niğde Altunhisar Pottery Festival, Elazığ Sivrice Hazar Poetry Evenings, Ordu Hazelnut Festival, Tunceli Pertek Cheese and Molasses Festival, Göle National Kashar Festival, Devrek Walking Cane and Culture Festival.
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 04:43 pm |
I like skylife too,it certainly gives me something to read when i am wishing my flight time away!
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 05:05 pm |
When you read "Zaman" and "Cumhuriyet" ,which are the most serious presses, at the same time ,you may have an objective idea.
I can also recommend you "Radikal". The cartoon "Ademler ve Havvalar" is very sweet on it, as well.
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 05:24 pm |
Quoting Müjde: When you read "Zaman" and "Cumhuriyet" ,which are the most serious presses, at the same time ,you may have an objective idea.
I can also recommend you "Radikal". The cartoon "Ademler ve Havvalar" is very sweet on it, as well. |
+1000
I must say that, although I am unable to read them daily, I started to like Radikal a lot. It is kind of example of how the free press should be. I will highly recommend Murat Belge's columns as well. He has been kind of Turkey's conscious!!
Unfortunately it does not have english version
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04 Jan 2008 Fri 11:20 pm |
Thanks for all contributions
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 12:12 am |
Quoting peace train: For the last 12 months, I have been following the news in Turkey via Today's Zaman. I also know of The New Anatolian . . . also in english.
Can anyone please give me a run down on the advantages/disadvantages of these newspapers and any others there are? Also, I have been told that I should read a paper written in Turkish if I want to develop my language. Can someone recommend a suitable one?
Thanks in advance |
Today's Zaman is a new paper but I think the best one In English so far.
Among Turkish newspapers, i recommend you Zaman, Taraf, and Radikal.
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 12:43 am |
Quoting kaddersokak: Today's Zaman is a new paper but I think the best one In English so far.
Among Turkish newspapers, i recommend you Zaman, Taraf, and Radikal. |
I can't find a link to Taraf, is it something you have to subscribe to?
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 12:52 am |
it is a new paper with a great staff. they will have a webpage soon.
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 01:10 am |
Quoting kaddersokak: it is a new paper with a great staff. they will have a webpage soon. |
what does "Taraf" mean? I I can't get a clear meaning from the dictionary in the context of a newspaper
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 01:14 am |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: Today's Zaman is a new paper but I think the best one In English so far.
Among Turkish newspapers, i recommend you Zaman, Taraf, and Radikal. |
I can't find a link to Taraf, is it something you have to subscribe to? |
Very good observation...Their English is too good, almost as if it is their native language
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 01:23 am |
Quoting AlphaF: Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: Today's Zaman is a new paper but I think the best one In English so far.
Among Turkish newspapers, i recommend you Zaman, Taraf, and Radikal. |
I can't find a link to Taraf, is it something you have to subscribe to? |
Very good observation...Their English is too good, almost as if it is their native language |
I do not know about their English but it seems that you could not understand what Kaddersokak meant He meant Today's Zaman is the best one among the English language news papers in Turkey not interms of language but interms of content. So think twice before criticizing someone
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 01:25 am |
Quoting AlphaF: Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: Today's Zaman is a new paper but I think the best one In English so far.
Among Turkish newspapers, i recommend you Zaman, Taraf, and Radikal. |
I can't find a link to Taraf, is it something you have to subscribe to? |
Very good observation...Their English is too good, almost as if it is their native language |
There are several newspapers being referred to here, what one are you talking about?
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 01:31 am |
For what it's worth...here's my source
Turkish Press
Some are in English, some are not, but it gives a great variety to browse through.
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 01:37 am |
ZAMAN
I understand exactly what good English means...
What I am hinting at is that English may in fact be the original language in which some of those articles are written...or...that translation to English may well be by native English speaking missionaries..
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 01:37 am |
The Turkish Press link is great. Thanks everyone :0
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 01:13 pm |
Quoting AlphaF:
native English speaking missionaries.. |
Now that intrigues me! Tell us more................
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 03:08 pm |
Quoting libralady: Quoting AlphaF:
native English speaking missionaries.. |
Now that intrigues me! Tell us more................ |
A simple check as to who is behind that paper, his views and ambitions, where he is currently being sheltered at will give you a fairly good idea...
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05 Jan 2008 Sat 07:32 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: Quoting libralady: Quoting AlphaF:
native English speaking missionaries.. |
Now that intrigues me! Tell us more................ |
A simple check as to who is behind that paper, his views and ambitions, where he is currently being sheltered at will give you a fairly good idea... |
Still not sure I get what you mean
missionary = a person who belongs to a religious organisation seeking to carry out charitable works and religious teaching, often combined ....................
is that what you mean by missionary? or would you prefer alternative words to describe those behind a paper?
Such as
propergandist, emissary, crusader ............... there are a few other alternatives, but I think you mean the first one!!!!
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:16 am |
A missionary - in this context - is one whose mission is changing religious beliefs of others, usually hiding his real intentions at early stages of contact.
They do not necessarily preach one of the existing alternative divine religions; their real motives may not be religious at all. Some current missionaries are after spreading a new system of divine looking beliefs, in line with political aspirations of their patrons.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:37 am |
Quoting AlphaF: A missionary - in this context - is one whose mission is changing religious beliefs of others, usually hiding his real intentions at early stages of contact.
They do not necessarily preach one of the existing alternative divine religions; their real motives may not be religious at all. Some current missionaries are after spreading a new system of divine looking beliefs, in line with political aspirations of their patrons. |
I do not understant what you are trying to say but it sounds paranoia and hate for missionaries.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:45 am |
I think it is pretty clear that Zaman is a religious newspaper... pro-current government, against the old president. Very biased politically.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:51 am |
Which religion does ZAMAN support ?
Any educated guesses fron ZAMAN readers?
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:53 am |
Quoting AlphaF: Which religion does ZAMAN support ?
Any educated guesses fron ZAMAN readers? |
I'm not a reader of Zaman, so I can be wrong... Is it hinduism?
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:55 am |
Quoting zbrct: Quoting AlphaF: A missionary - in this context - is one whose mission is changing religious beliefs of others, usually hiding his real intentions at early stages of contact.
They do not necessarily preach one of the existing alternative divine religions; their real motives may not be religious at all. Some current missionaries are after spreading a new system of divine looking beliefs, in line with political aspirations of their patrons. |
I do not understant what you are trying to say but it sounds paranoia and hate for missionaries. |
WHY SHOULD I, OR ANYBODY, LIKE MISSIONARIES?
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 01:59 am |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting AlphaF: Which religion does ZAMAN support ?
Any educated guesses fron ZAMAN readers? |
I'm not a reader of Zaman, so I can be wrong... Is it hinduism?  |
I dont read Zaman either..my guess is sikhism
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 02:02 am |
Quoting AlphaF: Quoting zbrct: Quoting AlphaF: A missionary - in this context - is one whose mission is changing religious beliefs of others, usually hiding his real intentions at early stages of contact.
They do not necessarily preach one of the existing alternative divine religions; their real motives may not be religious at all. Some current missionaries are after spreading a new system of divine looking beliefs, in line with political aspirations of their patrons. |
I do not understant what you are trying to say but it sounds paranoia and hate for missionaries. |
WHY SHOULD I, OR ANYBODY, LIKE MISSIONARIES? |
you do not have to like them and infact you hate them
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 02:07 am |
Quoting catwoman: I think it is pretty clear that Zaman is a religious newspaper... pro-current government, against the old president. Very biased politically. |
which newspaper is unbiased politically? In fact, the newspapers like Zaman, Radikal and Taraf let columnists with diferent worldviews to express themselves. For example, Zaman is criticized by the nationalists by having an Armenian columnist namely Etyen Mahcupyan. Yes, Zaman is a conservative newspaper but I can say it is more inclusive than some secular newspapers.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 02:20 am |
Quoting AlphaF: YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE, BUT ALPHAF IS CURRENTLY ON SOME KIND OF TEMPORARY NICE KID MISSION, PERIOD OF WHICH EXTENDS BEYOND DEC.6, 2008.
I AM DETERMINED NOT TO CALL ANYBODY PEANUT BRAIN, WITHIN THIS PERIOD. |
Either appear as you are, or be as you appear (Rumi).
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 02:23 am |
Dont push it !
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 02:49 am |
Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting catwoman: I think it is pretty clear that Zaman is a religious newspaper... pro-current government, against the old president. Very biased politically. |
which newspaper is unbiased politically? In fact, the newspapers like Zaman, Radikal and Taraf let columnists with diferent worldviews to express themselves. For example, Zaman is criticized by the nationalists by having an Armenian columnist namely Etyen Mahcupyan. Yes, Zaman is a conservative newspaper but I can say it is more inclusive than some secular newspapers. |
Etyen Mahcupyan has been a prominent writer and a columnist in Turkia, long before ZAMAN first appeared in print. He has referred to himself on a TV show as a TURK with Armenian heritage. Unless he shows himself to be a clown in future, his word is enough for him to be honored by nationalists.
Being a literary admirer of his is one thing - respecting him as fellow citizen is another.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 03:41 am |
Theoritically speaking, journalism is one of those honorable occupations on account that it serves one of the most important of man's necessities: to be informed. Nevertheless, theory and practice are two different things. With the kinds of journalists we have, pride, honor or integrity are to be confined to the mottos printed underneath newspaper logos.
Do you expect impartiality or factual reporting? Well, in todays media industry, frontiers have already been determined. Just like it goes in a Dylan song: "You gotta serve somebody", in this fierce world too, you gotta serve somebody and do your service well to get your prize from the politicians.
If a newspaper starts a salvo of criticism directed at the ruling party, you can be sure that they will go on with that unless they are either get a reward or in some cases a punishment from that party. The usual outcome is a sudden change in the tone of that newspaper. If you are careful, you may observe that things become just the other way around when the expected happens.
For my own part, I would never read Zaman. If you like what you are reading and don't care about who owns it and what the whole newspaper operation is meant to serve then it is the right newspaper for you...
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 04:46 am |
Quoting vineyards:
For my own part, I would never read Zaman. If you like what you are reading and don't care about who owns it and what the whole newspaper operation is meant to serve then it is the right newspaper for you... |
It seems because of your political view you do not like-or I should say you hate- that newspaper and that is why without looking its content you say you would never read it. (note that Zaman is a highly circulated paper in Turkey. for the last 2 0r 3 weeks it is number one interms of circulation)
As for, supporting government you should also mention the newspapers on the other side which critize EVERYTHING that present government does. So, I would not trust them either.
I am sick of that ideological bigotry and that is why I choose newspapers based on their content. So my favourite ones are Zaman, Taraf, Radikal, and Birgun which are ideologically on opposite sides.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 08:11 am |
Thank you everyone for the discussion here. This is exactly why I began the thread. I wanted some education on the 'press' in Turkiye. I think reading more than one newspaper is essential in order to be more informed about what is going on in Turkiye.
Thanks again
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 12:44 pm |
Quoting zbrct: Quoting vineyards:
For my own part, I would never read Zaman. If you like what you are reading and don't care about who owns it and what the whole newspaper operation is meant to serve then it is the right newspaper for you... |
It seems because of your political view you do not like-or I should say you hate- that newspaper and that is why without looking its content you say you would never read it. (note that Zaman is a highly circulated paper in Turkey. for the last 2 0r 3 weeks it is number one interms of circulation)
As for, supporting government you should also mention the newspapers on the other side which critize EVERYTHING that present government does. So, I would not trust them either.
I am sick of that ideological bigotry and that is why I choose newspapers based on their content. So my favourite ones are Zaman, Taraf, Radikal, and Birgun which are ideologically on opposite sides.
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It is the same in the UK (and every nation where there is a choice of newspapers), there are politically biased papers, and politically or religiously biased journalists and reporters. For the same as reason as Vineyards, I choose to read a paper that I consider to be the least biased of all our papers. There are several papers that I would not touch with a barge pole (a very long pole that would propel barges along canals ).
As those who ask about newspapers, and I did this time last year, it is good to know which papers Turks would recommend and for which reasons, then we can make an informed opinion.
I look at the Turkish Daily News most days, what are the opinions on this paper?
This thread has been very enlightening and Alpha, congratulations for remaining a nice guy for two days!
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 02:30 pm |
Quoting zbrct: Quoting vineyards:
For my own part, I would never read Zaman. If you like what you are reading and don't care about who owns it and what the whole newspaper operation is meant to serve then it is the right newspaper for you... |
It seems because of your political view you do not like-or I should say you hate- that newspaper and that is why without looking its content you say you would never read it. (note that Zaman is a highly circulated paper in Turkey. for the last 2 0r 3 weeks it is number one interms of circulation)
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How would a woman react if Hitler proposed her with loads of flattery and in an eloquent language? Would she lose her heart to him regardless of who he actually is? When you read that paper, you see news and content. All I see is a bunch of respectable guys doing the scenery to conceal a medieval mastermind aiming to take over the reins of our country by infiltrating into all key sectors.
It is not surprizing why media is so high on their list of priorities.
In other words, I don't care about its circulation. I just don't read it. I have known them long enough to hate them.
You guys may believe in metamorphosis but I don't...
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I am sick of that ideological bigotry and that is why I choose newspapers based on their content. So my favourite ones are Zaman, Taraf, Radikal, and Birgun which are ideologically on opposite sides.
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You have every right to be sick of anything you want. You are also entitled to call people who don't think like you as bigots. If you check out my previous message, you will find out that I don't have a favourite newspaper as I hate all of them. I used to read The Guardian once. Presently, I don't read any newspapers out of disgust.
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 04:23 pm |
Quoting peace train: Thank you everyone for the discussion here. This is exactly why I began the thread. I wanted some education on the 'press' in Turkiye. I think reading more than one newspaper is essential in order to be more informed about what is going on in Turkiye.
Thanks again |
I love it when they come all the way from China, just to educate people on Turkish press and media. They may tell you they want to learn, but their mission is to train Turkish people to the format they think is right, for themselves.
They have their little books in their soft suitcases, they are very friendly and soft spoken. They innocently let it slip that their favorite paper is ZAMAN and will try to invade your brains to the end of time, if you allow them.
The trick is they never tell you what they are really after, nor do they tell you who is behind ZAMAN and whose purposes ZAMAN is designed to serve.... That is not honest !
Remember the Lacotians...they lost all the land and buffalos. What do you think they were eventually left with?
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 05:17 pm |
Dear Mr AlphaF
I know there is always so much more to what you say than is at first apparent, but you are far too clever for me dear.
Regarding the newspaper thread. If you are referring to me, I don't think I have said that I prefer or favour Zaman. I profess to be nothing but an ignorant, UK, middle-aged, granny who is aware that a diet of one newspaper will not give her a more rounded view on life in Turkey. I'm genuinely interested in your reference to preference regarding zaman . . . I haven't said I prefer it. But then maybe you are making a general comment for the purposes of the thread.
Thanks for your contributions, they are always interesting
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 05:54 pm |
I am amazed you still dont ask to know who I think is behind Zaman and what I think Zaman is politically after....
I guess you must have a fairly good idea of the issue, after all...How could you have not wondered, otherwise? Curiosity is only human...
Isiginiz bol olsun !
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 05:58 pm |
Quoting peace train: Dear Mr AlphaF
Thanks for your contributions, they are always interesting |
I suppose that depends on what you find interesting... :-S
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 06:04 pm |
Oooh....the Village Eraser is back....OLE!
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 06:06 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: Oooh....the Village Eraser is back....OLE! |
Serefe, my village classmate!
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06 Jan 2008 Sun 06:14 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: I am amazed you still dont ask to know who I think is behind Zaman and what I think Zaman is politically after....
I guess you must have a fairly good idea of the issue, after all...How could you have not wondered, otherwise? Curiosity is only human...
Isiginiz bol olsun ! |
On the contrary, I have been 'itching' to know . . just thought it might be common knowledge that I wasn't aware of and didn't like to show my ignorance. But as I've already confessed to my ignorance . . .
Mr AlphaF . . . who do you think is behind Zaman and what do you think Zaman is after politically?
Please be gentle with me
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 02:21 am |
peace train....I do not really wish to burden anyone here with my own prejudices. Instead, I will copy here an article from ZAMAN, exactly as posted by one of the other members, in another thread.
It is full of historical blunders and deliberate lies, in very good English and obviously has a purpose.
You tell me whose interests this article serves...Turks, Kurds, PKK, somebody else ? Also tell me one other nationalistic facist country where surpressed newspapers of the national press would be allowed to print this sort of an article.
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The roots of Turkey’s identity problem
by Omer Taspinar
It is hard to avoid the impression that every issue in Turkish politics somehow relates to the country’s complex identity problems. From the Kurdish question to whether the president’s wife can wear a headscarf, we are always debating identity issues.
Yet we are often unable to address the root causes of the problem. A major part of the problem has to do with the peculiarity of Turkey’s “civilizational†dilemmas with “Westernization.†Having a complex civilizational identity, or being a “torn country†to use Samuel Huntington’s terminology, is part of Turkish history. Indeed, the difficulty with assigning Turkey to a specific geography or civilization derives from the fact that it had always been a border country. A glance at the map shows why Turkey does not fit into any of the clear-cut geographical categories formulated by Western scholars. The country straddles the geographical and cultural borders between Europe and Asia, without really belonging to either. Such an “in-between†Turkish identity is made all the more complicated by a number of historical factors.
Perhaps most important is the fact that the Ottoman Empire was historically the intimate enemy of Europe. In religious and military terms, the Turk represented “the other†who played a crucial role in consolidating Europe’s own Christian identity. However, as centuries of Ottoman imperial splendor came to an end and territorial regression began, the Ottoman ruling elite sought salvation in one of the earliest projects of modernization. Since modernization was pragmatically identified with Christian Western Europe, the Ottomans faced major difficulties in adapting to the new paradigm without surrendering their Islamic pride. Throughout the 19th century, the result has often been a chaotic coexistence of traditional Islamic and modernized institutions. This situation did not change until the radicalization of the Westernization project, first under the Young Turks and later under their Kemalist successors.
The Kemalist revolution was by far the most radical attempt at cultural transformation in the Islamic world. Yet, it achieved a rather limited penetration of Turkish society at large. Especially the rural parts of Anatolia remained largely unaffected by the social engineering taking place in Ankara during the single party rule. In that sense, the Kemalism was too state-centered and elitist to be fully absorbed by Anatolian society. As in Ottoman times, it was essentially the governing elite and the urban bourgeoisie that supported Westernization and easily adapted to its norms. In the meantime, the gap between the state and rural periphery widened even further.
The Kemalist mission, aiming to create a centralized, secular and homogenous “Turkish†nation-state, met the active opposition of religious conservatives and ethnic Kurds. Not surprisingly, resistance to centralization and nation-building was strongest in historically semi-autonomous Kurdish provinces, which had little exposure to central taxation during Ottoman times. Between 1923 and 1938, it took the military suppression of a long series of Kurdish and Islamist rebellions for a sense of Kemalist stability to emerge. Yet, with the benefit of hindsight, one can argue that behind the facade of a successful nationalist-secularist revolution, the repression of Kurdish and Islamic identities remained the Achilles’ heel of the Kemalist project.
With the Cold War, international dynamics gained precedence over Turkey’s domestic problems. A new era started in republican history in 1946, when the Soviet territorial threat and the willingness to be part of the “Free World†forced the Kemalist regime to hold multiparty elections. During the next three decades, from 1950 to 1980, ideological politics superficially trumped identity problems. Kurdish and Islamic dissent were no longer high on the political agenda, since they soon came to be absorbed by the new political divisions in Turkey. Kurdish discontent found its place within radical leftwing politics, while Islam became part of the anti-communist struggle.
When left-wing and rightwing politics lost their relevance with the end of the Cold War, Kurdish and Islamic dissent quickly re-emerged. This Kurdish and Islamic revival during the 1990s once again triggered a strong Kemalist reaction. After the long Cold War interlude, it was as if Turkey was back in the 1930s. The military had to take the initiative against Kurdish-Islamic forces by forcefully reasserting Turkish nationalism and secularism. The result was the “lost decade†of the 1990s. If we want to avoid another lost decade, now that similar dynamics are once again at play, we need to find liberal solutions to our identity problems.
23.04.2007
Today's Zaman
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 02:35 am |
is he a liar? ok lets look at who Omer Taspinar is:
http://www.sais-jhu.edu/programs/europe/taspinar.html
Omer Taspinar
Ph.D. Professorial Lecturer, Fellow at the Brookings Institution
Dr. Omer Taspinar is the Co-Director of the US-Turkey project at the Brookings Institution and an adjunct professor at the Johns Hopkins University, School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). He completed his doctorate studies on Political Islam and Kurdish nationalism in Turkey at the European Studies Department of SAIS, Johns Hopkins University in 2001.
The courses he has been teaching at SAIS include: “Islam and Europeâ€; Turkish Domestic and Foreign Policyâ€; “Western European Political Economyâ€; “French Domestic and Foreign Policy†and “International Political Economyâ€. Prior to his teaching and research career, he worked as a consultant, at the Strategic Planning Unit of TOFAS- FIAT during 1996-1997 (Istanbul).
His recent publications include: “Europe’s Muslim Street†Foreign Policy (March-April 2003); “An Uneven Fit: The Turkish Model and the Arab World†(Brookings Analysis Paper, August 2003); “Fighting Radicalism with Human Development†(Brookings Press, forthcoming 2004),: “Political Islam and Kurdish Nationalism in Turkey,†(Routledge, forthcoming 2004).
Dr. Taspinar speaks Turkish (native), French, English, and Italian.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 02:47 am |
He lives in America and is probably an American citizen, on a plush salary.
Guess whose interests he is serving !
I think he is selling you and his own academic dignity out.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 11:06 am |
I thought his thoughts in the article were common opinion
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 12:04 pm |
Omer Taspinar is a singer of many songs, mostly American Pop...His other articles, on a variety of different tunes, are also available on the net...Read before you start to talk.
I do not think his loyalty is with Kurds, if that is why you symphatize with him. His recent articles are advising US withdrawal from Iraq. The day US withdraws from Iraq, all Arabs will remember how Kurds in North Iraq sold Arabs to Americans. There will be a day of reckoning and a bill to pay.
If this happens, where do you think the the Kurds will run to, for safety? Where did they find food, shelter and protection last time Saddam attacked them?
Anyone who is trying to flare animosity between Turks and Kurds should be viewed with extreme caution by both parties.
PS: Lucky, if anyone gets a chance to read this post before our mysterious Village Eraser catches up with it ))))))))
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 07:54 pm |
"To this day, Brookings is commonly, and inaccurately, dubbed "liberal" (e.g., Baltimore Sun, 8/9/98; Cincinnati Enquirer, 7/30/98; Dallas Morning News, 7/1/98; AP,
5/29/98). CBS News correspondent Bernard Goldberg even publicly chastised one of his colleagues for not tagging Brookings as "liberal" in his reporting (Wall Street Journal op-ed, 2/13/96). It's called "centrist" almost as often, but never "conservative," though that label would be more accurate than "liberal."
In fact, much of Brookings' top brass has come from Republican administrations. Its current president, Michael Armacost, was an undersecretary of state for the Reagan administration and ambassador to Japan under Bush. Brookings' president from 1977 to 1995, Bruce MacLaury, spent most of his career in the Federal Reserve, with a stint in the Nixon Treasury Department."
Brookings
I find it interesting to learn more about just who are behind the influence making organizations. Here's more:
Brookings Institution
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 08:23 pm |
Quoting azade: I thought his thoughts in the article were common opinion |
I think so. Those who do not agree with the author please stop attacking the author and tell us what is wrong with the posted article.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 08:44 pm |
Those are the author's thoughts that had been told under freedom of expression concept. But i would like to ask if being Kurdish is an identity so what the heck is islamic identity ?
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 08:52 pm |
Quoting zbrct: ...............I think so. Those who do not agree with the author please stop attacking the author and tell us what is wrong with the posted article. |
zbrct, I don't think I was attacking the author, do you?
I'm always curious who an author is. I posted the links to the organizations that have been used to boost his credibility for you to look at. Make up your own mind as to his authority in the matters he discusses.
One should always be wary of anything that promotes in any way divisiveness. Even saying or implying something is so, when it is not a fait accompli, can expedite trends. It's sort of like the glass half full or half empty idea. It colors ones perception.
Divide and Rule is a very very old tactic.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 09:18 pm |
Quoting zbrct: Quoting azade: I thought his thoughts in the article were common opinion |
I think so. Those who do not agree with the author please stop attacking the author and tell us what is wrong with the posted article. |
To be honest, It is total crap....
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 09:26 pm |
Quoting alameda: "To this day, Brookings is commonly, and inaccurately, dubbed "liberal" (e.g., Baltimore Sun, 8/9/98; Cincinnati Enquirer, 7/30/98; Dallas Morning News, 7/1/98; AP,
5/29/98). CBS News correspondent Bernard Goldberg even publicly chastised one of his colleagues for not tagging Brookings as "liberal" in his reporting (Wall Street Journal op-ed, 2/13/96). It's called "centrist" almost as often, but never "conservative," though that label would be more accurate than "liberal."
In fact, much of Brookings' top brass has come from Republican administrations. Its current president, Michael Armacost, was an undersecretary of state for the Reagan administration and ambassador to Japan under Bush. Brookings' president from 1977 to 1995, Bruce MacLaury, spent most of his career in the Federal Reserve, with a stint in the Nixon Treasury Department."
Brookings
I find it interesting to learn more about just who are behind the influence making organizations. Here's more:
Brookings Institution |
A hunch tells me that both Brookings and Routledge may be institutions with Judaic tendencies/connections. I may be wrong.
Anyone know better about the subject?
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 09:51 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: ...........
A hunch tells me that both Brookings and Routledge may be institutions with Judaic tendencies/connections. I may be wrong.
Anyone know better about the subject? |
I don't know anything about that, but I've been trying to find out just who Omer Taspinar is. All I can find out about him is he's written a lot of articles. Nothing on where he was born, what schools he went to other than:
Omer Taspinar
Ph.D. Professorial Lecturer, Fellow at the Brookings Institution
"Dr. Omer Taspinar is the Co-Director of the US-Turkey project at the Brookings Institution and an adjunct professor at the Johns Hopkins University, School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). He completed his doctorate studies on Political Islam and Kurdish nationalism in Turkey at the European Studies Department of SAIS, Johns Hopkins University in 2001."
Johns Hopkins University, School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS)
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 09:52 pm |
Alameda I read this info too about him.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 09:56 pm |
Quoting Roswitha: Alameda I read this info too about him. |
I wonder why there is nothing else. Things like where he did his undergraduate work, where he was born.....?
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 10:10 pm |
So all the Turkish guys living, working, or studying in USA are usual suspects in your eyes. Then, why every year thousands of Turks apply for Green Card. Does that mean "we hate America but we want to live there"
I am sorry but this is called bigotry. I recommend you to read the article first and discuss its content rather than creating funny conspiracy theories about the author
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 10:30 pm |
Quoting zbrct: So all the Turkish guys living, working, or studying in USA are usual suspects in your eyes. Then, why every year thousands of Turks apply for Green Card. Does that mean "we hate America but we want to live there"
I am sorry but this is called bigotry. I recommend you to read the article first and discuss its content rather than creating funny conspiracy theories about the author |
I agree with you somewhat. Of cource all Turkish guys are not part of the "hate America..or whatever croud, however I don't think questioning the credentials of a policy maker is comspiracy theory, not in my opinion anyway. I want to know the background of the person who is in such an influential position.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 10:40 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: zbrct
Your theory is the product of a peanut brain (the nice kid syndrome is over).
I do not categorize and label people in blunt groups. I evaluate them one by one, according to their relative merits.
I can not discuss and try to disprove every stupid article, written by every half cooked dishonest academic.
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It is nice to hear that you have decided to be yourself.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 10:41 pm |
Maybe he wasn't always Taspinar
anagram = Partisan
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 11:01 pm |
Quoting zbrct: I am sorry but this is called bigotry. I recommend you to read the article first and discuss its content rather than creating funny conspiracy theories about the author |
Agreed..
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 11:11 pm |
From all these writings I understood that ZAMAN is a newspaper financed by ultra-islamic people who tries to re-establish islamic state in Turkey. These same people are also supported by missionaires who wanted to convert devoted muslims to Christianity.
Aaaah, I forgot that these ultra-islamic nespaper has at least one Christian- armenian writer to verify this link. (Although this poor guy described himsef as Turk)
Is that all or did I miss something?
Of course all these are designed by the great evil USA.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 11:12 pm |
Quoting peace train: Maybe he wasn't always Taspinar anagram = Partisan |
you must do crossword puzzles? But on another note, it is rather odd, don't you think that there is so little information on just who he is?
His way with words is excellent, I must admit.
I probably would not have noticed this pecularity, had AlphaF not peeked my curiosity.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 11:14 pm |
Quoting boradiz: From all these writings I understood that ZAMAN is a newspaper financed by ultra-islamic people who tries to re-establish islamic state in Turkey. These same people are also supported by missionaires who wanted to convert devoted muslims to Christianity.
Aaaah, I forgot that these ultra-islamic nespaper has at least one Christian- armenian writer to verify this link. (Although this poor guy described himsef as Turk)
Is that all or did I miss something?
Of course all these are designed by the great evil USA.
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That is how some people are confused
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 11:19 pm |
Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting boradiz: From all these writings I understood that ZAMAN is a newspaper financed by ultra-islamic people who tries to re-establish islamic state in Turkey. These same people are also supported by missionaires who wanted to convert devoted muslims to Christianity.
Aaaah, I forgot that these ultra-islamic nespaper has at least one Christian- armenian writer to verify this link. (Although this poor guy described himsef as Turk)
Is that all or did I miss something?
Of course all these are designed by the great evil USA.
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You have, in fact, got it all wrong...))))))))))
If anybody thinks there are Christian missionaries behind ZAMAN, they should think again ! |
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 11:23 pm |
Quoting AlphaF:
ZAMAN
I understand exactly what good English means...
What I am hinting at is that English may in fact be the original language in which some of those articles are written...or...that translation to English may well be by native English speaking missionaries.. |
Then you ShoulD think again.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 11:31 pm |
Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting boradiz: From all these writings I understood that ZAMAN is a newspaper financed by ultra-islamic people who tries to re-establish islamic state in Turkey. These same people are also supported by missionaires who wanted to convert devoted muslims to Christianity.
Aaaah, I forgot that these ultra-islamic nespaper has at least one Christian- armenian writer to verify this link. (Although this poor guy described himsef as Turk)
Is that all or did I miss something?
Of course all these are designed by the great evil USA.
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That is how some people are confused |
How exactly are some people confused here? Also, it's not the US that supports Zaman, but some islamic people who live in the US and enjoy their freedom.
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07 Jan 2008 Mon 11:32 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting boradiz: From all these writings I understood that ZAMAN is a newspaper financed by ultra-islamic people who tries to re-establish islamic state in Turkey. These same people are also supported by missionaires who wanted to convert devoted muslims to Christianity.
Aaaah, I forgot that these ultra-islamic nespaper has at least one Christian- armenian writer to verify this link. (Although this poor guy described himsef as Turk)
Is that all or did I miss something?
Of course all these are designed by the great evil USA.
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That is how some people are confused |
How exactly are some people confused here? Also, it's not the US that supports Zaman, but some islamic people who live in the US and enjoy their freedom.  |
I am afraid that is not correct, dear ERASER )))))))))))
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 12:57 am |
Quoting alameda: Quoting peace train: Maybe he wasn't always Taspinar anagram = Partisan |
you must do crossword puzzles? But on another note, it is rather odd, don't you think that there is so little information on just who he is?
His way with words is excellent, I must admit.
I probably would not have noticed this pecularity, had AlphaF not peeked my curiosity. |
Very rarely do (or have) cross words . But I like words and it just jumped out at me and was begging to be posted, given the theme.
Now I better go and read someone else's words. I got homework from Flapha (silent h).
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 01:08 am |
Quoting boradiz: Quoting AlphaF:
ZAMAN
I understand exactly what good English means...
What I am hinting at is that English may in fact be the original language in which some of those articles are written...or...that translation to English may well be by native English speaking missionaries.. |
Then you ShoulD think again. |
My post does not point directly to CHRISTIAN missionaries. Well, may be those sponsored by UNITED METHODISTS CHURCH.
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 02:34 am |
Quoting AlphaF: ..................My post does not point directly to CHRISTIAN missionaries. Well, may be those sponsored by UNITED METHODISTS CHURCH. |
.......But AlphaF....the fact of the matter is.....there are not many sources for those who do not read Turkish to read current news about Turkey....so we are left with what sources are available.
I think that is the reason many of us want to learn to read, write and speak Turkish.
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 02:53 am |
Quoting alameda: Quoting AlphaF: ..................My post does not point directly to CHRISTIAN missionaries. Well, may be those sponsored by UNITED METHODISTS CHURCH. |
.......But AlphaF....the fact of the matter is.....there are not many sources for those who do not read Turkish to read current news about Turkey....so we are left with what sources are available.
I think that is the reason many of us want to learn to read, write and speak Turkish. |
the source of what I am talking about is not in Turkia. What missionaries do you think I am talking about, if not Christian....there are not many other logical alternatives, for god's sake !
What do you know about UNITED METHODIST CHURCH?
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 10:25 am |
Quoting AlphaF: the source of what I am talking about is not in Turkia. What missionaries do you think I am talking about, if not Christian....there are not many other logical alternatives, for god's sake ! |
Dear Flapha (silent h): other, a bit more aggressive missionaries that I know of are the jihadists. I hope that's what you also had in mind..
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 10:43 am |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting AlphaF: the source of what I am talking about is not in Turkia. What missionaries do you think I am talking about, if not Christian....there are not many other logical alternatives, for god's sake ! |
Dear Flapha (silent h): other, a bit more aggressive missionaries that I know of are the jihadists. I hope that's what you also had in mind..  |
Crying out loud here..
I think somebody wants to talk about Fethullah Gulen, who is our home grown, sneaky missionary, here..
We should let it happen..
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 10:44 am |
Quoting AlphaF: the source of what I am talking about is not in Turkia. What missionaries do you think I am talking about, if not Christian....there are not many other logical alternatives, for god's sake !
What do you know about UNITED METHODIST CHURCH?
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http://archives.umc.org/umns/news_archive2000.asp?ptid=2&story=%7B26675D5D-8099-4F8E-BE77-1ED819B1CE2D%7D&mid=3366
Here is a link to UMC - you can read hear all the wicked things they do trying to convert people !!!! don't mention the clinics they build, the housing they provide, the medical assistance they give, the aid and money they provide and ;YES they do wish to spread their faith but they don't force, if someone says NO I don't want to hear it, they stop but they don't stop helping.
Oh terrible missionaries !!!!!
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 10:48 am |
Quoting Cacık: don't mention the clinics they build, the housing they provide, the medical assistance they give, the aid and money they provide and ;YES they do wish to spread their faith but they don't force
Oh terrible missionaries !!!!! |
Did you know that Hezbullah in Lebonan works in the same way?
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 10:51 am |
Quoting thehandsom: Crying out loud here..
I think somebody wants to talk about Fethullah Gulen, who is our home grown, sneaky missionary, here..
We should let it happen..
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Naaaaaahhh, it says on the web that his life was/is (but there is hope: the guy was born in 1941) dedicated to peace and humanity! Ohhh, Turkey has so many famous, great people! (who move to the US)
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 10:51 am |
Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Cacık: don't mention the clinics they build, the housing they provide, the medical assistance they give, the aid and money they provide and ;YES they do wish to spread their faith but they don't force
Oh terrible missionaries !!!!! |
Did you know that Hezbullah in Lebonan works in the same way? |
slight difference is that UMC don't call for the destruction of Israel, UMC aren't listed as terrorists, UMC don't carry weapons and receiving soilder training - and so on and on .................
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 10:52 am |
Quoting thehandsom: Did you know that Hezbullah in Lebonan works in the same way? |
Oh, Hezbollah also takes "no" for an answer?
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 10:55 am |
Quoting Cacık: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Cacık: don't mention the clinics they build, the housing they provide, the medical assistance they give, the aid and money they provide and ;YES they do wish to spread their faith but they don't force
Oh terrible missionaries !!!!! |
Did you know that Hezbullah in Lebonan works in the same way? |
slight difference is that UMC don't call for the destruction of Israel, UMC aren't listed as terrorists, UMC don't carry weapons and receiving soilder training - and so on and on ................. |
Of course they dont..
But has UMC been attacked by Israel daily? Their members get killed daily? Their childeren are dealing with cluster bombs left by Israel, made by USA?
And Israel dont call for destruction of Lebonan..They just destroy..
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 10:56 am |
Quoting thehandsom: Their childeren are dealing with cluster bombs left by Israel, made by USA? |
Excuse me, not only USA. Also the UK and Turkey.
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 10:58 am |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: Their childeren are dealing with cluster bombs left by Israel, made by USA? |
Excuse me, not only USA. Also the UK and Turkey. |
I did not know Turkey sold cluster bombs to Israel.
But I trust you!!
If it is true, I have no objection to change my statement to "... with cluster bombs left by Israel, made by USA/UK/TURKEY"
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 11:25 am |
Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Cacık: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Cacık: don't mention the clinics they build, the housing they provide, the medical assistance they give, the aid and money they provide and ;YES they do wish to spread their faith but they don't force
Oh terrible missionaries !!!!! |
Did you know that Hezbullah in Lebonan works in the same way? |
slight difference is that UMC don't call for the destruction of Israel, UMC aren't listed as terrorists, UMC don't carry weapons and receiving soilder training - and so on and on ................. |
Of course they dont..
But has UMC been attacked by Israel daily? Their members get killed daily? Their childeren are dealing with cluster bombs left by Israel, made by USA?
And Israel dont call for destruction of Lebonan..They just destroy.. |
Your thread was originally about UMC now you are chaging the route to Israel/Hezbollah. This was not the original context. UMC are not the ones doing the destruction and an important point is that even though missionaries are targetted daily, they don't give up doing good to others !
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