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Turkey to change free speech law
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 07:26 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting yilgun-7: There are same/similar articles like 301 in EU countries national laws.
There is reciprocity principle in law and international diplomacy.
Everybody knows this politeness..
So what?
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I don't actually think there are. I went through the Polish Constitution to find something like this but...apparently we, the Poles are not as eager to impose love for our motherland on our folk. Oh, and what makes a huge difference although Poland is as Catholic as you are Muslim, we are guaranteed not to be forced to reveal our religion as you are (you have it in your ID, don't you?)
I think freedom of speech should not be limited if criticism is followed by arguments. To me, making something a taboo causes more fuss than discussing it openly. Besides, if a nation can't stand criticism, what kind of nation is it? One that ensures love by force? No,. thank you |
Very well said indeed. I think along with Freedom of Speech, removal of religion on the ID cards must also be part of the package !
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 07:40 pm |
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religion on an ID Card? Never heard that before!
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 07:44 pm |
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 07:52 pm |
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Turkey’s ruling party backs changes to controversial law.
A majority of AKP deputies backed the proposal to change Article 301 of the penal code, which covers the crime of insulting “Turkishness†or Turkish identity.
The deputies agreed on Tuesday that the term “Turkish Nation†should replace the expression “Turkishness†in Article 301 and that the phrase “the State of the Republic of Turkey†should replace the word “Republicâ€.
The amendment foresees merging the first two paragraphs of the current article while scrapping the third paragraph which says, “in case the crime to insult Turkishness is committed by a Turkish citizen in a foreign country, the punishment will be raised by one-third.â€
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/432199.asp
The amendment also authorizes the Justice Ministry to launch an investigation regarding those who violate the article. The upper limit of the punishment for those found guilty of crimes under Article 301 will be reduced from three years to two.
The new provisional wording of Article 301 reads as follows:
1- A person, who openly insults Turkish Nation, the State of the Republic of Turkey or Turkish Parliament, Turkish Government, state organs, military or security departments, shall be sentenced to imprisonment terms from six months up to two years.
2- Any expression of thought aiming to criticize cannot constitute a crime.â€
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 07:53 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7: Everybody knows this truth=Freedom is not free.
Every body knows there are of course same/similar articles in every countries laws.
Every body knows this courtesy...
Scientific criticism and annoyance are very different legal concepts.
Annoyance is crime for everybody and every country..
We respect other countries laws, cultures and traditions according to international law...
You know it very well.
Any uneducated person or primary school student knows this courtesy very well.
There are of course same/similar articles in the EU countries national laws and traditions and culture. |
This is so classic...  Yilgun, you are completely WRONG on everything you said.
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 07:57 pm |
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Wait till Turks join EU...They will have the majority in EU Parliment...Insulting Turkishness will be banned across Europe ))))))))))))) 
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 07:59 pm |
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Scientific criticism and annoyance are of course very different legal concepts according to international law and diplomacy and humanity culture and courtesy and morals ethics...
There are of course same/similar articles like 301 in the EU and other developed countries national laws and traditions and culture and international law.
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 08:20 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Wait till Turks join EU...They will have the majority in EU Parliment...Insulting Turkishness will be banned across Europe ))))))))))))) |
But the promlem is that they will not let you join the EU unless you internalize European values one of which is freedoom of speech.
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 08:33 pm |
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zbrct,
You have just read my post. Would you think any smart European would allow Turks in, under these circumstances?
and what makes you think I (personally) wish to join EU, anyway?
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 08:35 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: zbrct,
You have just read my post. Would you think any smart European would allow Turks in, under these circumstances?
and what makes you think I (personally) wish to join EU, anyway? |
do not worry, it is clear that you neither want the EU nor the freedoom of speech.
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08 Jan 2008 Tue 08:37 pm |
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Schism: Free Speech vs. 'Insulting Turkishness'
by Ivan Watson
Listen Now [4 min 2 sec]
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6196764
All Things Considered, October 4, 2006 · Acclaimed novelist Elif Safak was acquitted last week after being taking to trial for "insulting Turkishness" when a fictional character described the Armenian genocide in her latest book.
Armenian-Turkish newspaper editor Hrant Dink wasn't so lucky. He received a six-month suspended sentence for talking about the genocide, and faces two more trials for similar charges.
It may look like a battle over freedom of speech. In fact, the defendants say the Armenian Genocide, and the law that bans "insulting Turkishness," have become a political football between Turkish ultranationalists and pre-European politicians.
Anti-Turkish European politicians have entered the fray by passing laws forbidding citizens to deny that a genocide of Armenians took place in 1915.
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