I read that there is a proposal to change Turkey's very strict law against "insulting Turkishness". It seems there will be a great deal of resistance to this by Nationalists. Article is also in TDN.
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Turkey is expected to amend a heavily criticised law which makes "insulting Turkishness" illegal, in order to improve its chances of entering the EU.

Mehmet Ali Sahin, the country's justice minister, said on Monday: "The work [on the draft] has been finalised. I believe the proposal could be submitted to parliament this week."

The EU has put pressure on Turkey to change the law, article 301 in the penal code, that is criticised as a threat to freedom of speech in Turkey.

The law is seen as a major stumbling block to Turkey's accession to the EU.


Turkey's centre-right government has said it will change article 301, but critics say that this has not materalised for fear of a nationalist backlash.

Breaking the law can mean a sentence of up to four years in jail.

Change of wording

Sahin refused to comment on the nature of the changes to the law before they were discussed at a cabinet meeting on Monday.

Source: Aljazeera

really good topic for talk about dear Rose and i think everybody have to be respectfull their nation and country when they critising mistakes and wrongs

evet!

Exactly Cacik! That's the whole issue - "criticize but don't insult [Turkishness]" in a country where criticizing Ataturk is prohibited, speaking in favor of Armenian genocide is prohibited, and where the gov't tells people that "everybody is against the Turks, you gotta defend your country", "you're honored to be a Turk"... etc. The meaning of criticism is completely different for Turks then it is in the west and it will be very hard to achieve real freedom of speech if they don't learn to deal with being offended.

Why shouldn’t people be allowed to criticize their government? What harm is it for people to speak out if they have disagreements with their leaders? Strong governments and strong leaders should be able to withstand any criticism and let their actions stand as their defense.

respect to all freedoms but just in limits

I don't think this is a difficult topic at all. Someone is ALWAYS going to be offended by criticism of SOMETHING. You just cannot compromise this basic political and personal right at any cost. Doing that will only bring disasters and will grow crowds of mindless people... just look at Muslims today if you want a good example.
Where I would draw a line is hate speech or causing physical or material harm to people. In terms of the "emotional harm", people have to get some more self-confidence. Insecurity and lack of strong, rational response is what makes people offended. Only weak ideas have to be protected by force.

People should be free to speak as they wish, as long as it doesn't become abusive or threatening. I personally feel this change in the law would make it less likely for Turkey to enter EU. This would not show a country united with their Government, This would just show a country almost bullied by their Government. Why would the EU want to take in a country that is controlling and forceful? I think the mindset lots of Turks have been raised with that "Turks are strong, Turks are the best" is unhealthy. It's good to be patriotic, but not to the point where you never question anything, and just be proud of your Country no matter what happens. It's ridiculous to try and control what people say about the Government, do they just want everyone to follow them , all with one mind and no opinions?

What? which countries in the EU would make this legal?

religion on an ID Card? Never heard that before!

Turkey’s ruling party backs changes to controversial law.
A majority of AKP deputies backed the proposal to change Article 301 of the penal code, which covers the crime of insulting “Turkishness” or Turkish identity.

The deputies agreed on Tuesday that the term “Turkish Nation” should replace the expression “Turkishness” in Article 301 and that the phrase “the State of the Republic of Turkey” should replace the word “Republic”.

The amendment foresees merging the first two paragraphs of the current article while scrapping the third paragraph which says, “in case the crime to insult Turkishness is committed by a Turkish citizen in a foreign country, the punishment will be raised by one-third.”

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/432199.asp

The amendment also authorizes the Justice Ministry to launch an investigation regarding those who violate the article. The upper limit of the punishment for those found guilty of crimes under Article 301 will be reduced from three years to two.

The new provisional wording of Article 301 reads as follows:

1- A person, who openly insults Turkish Nation, the State of the Republic of Turkey or Turkish Parliament, Turkish Government, state organs, military or security departments, shall be sentenced to imprisonment terms from six months up to two years.

2- Any expression of thought aiming to criticize cannot constitute a crime.”

Wait till Turks join EU...They will have the majority in EU Parliment...Insulting Turkishness will be banned across Europe )))))))))))))

Scientific criticism and annoyance are of course very different legal concepts according to international law and diplomacy and humanity culture and courtesy and morals ethics...
There are of course same/similar articles like 301 in the EU and other developed countries national laws and traditions and culture and international law.

zbrct,
You have just read my post. Would you think any smart European would allow Turks in, under these circumstances?

and what makes you think I (personally) wish to join EU, anyway?

Schism: Free Speech vs. 'Insulting Turkishness'
by Ivan Watson

Listen Now [4 min 2 sec]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6196764

All Things Considered, October 4, 2006 · Acclaimed novelist Elif Safak was acquitted last week after being taking to trial for "insulting Turkishness" when a fictional character described the Armenian genocide in her latest book.

Armenian-Turkish newspaper editor Hrant Dink wasn't so lucky. He received a six-month suspended sentence for talking about the genocide, and faces two more trials for similar charges.

It may look like a battle over freedom of speech. In fact, the defendants say the Armenian Genocide, and the law that bans "insulting Turkishness," have become a political football between Turkish ultranationalists and pre-European politicians.

Anti-Turkish European politicians have entered the fray by passing laws forbidding citizens to deny that a genocide of Armenians took place in 1915.

FREEDOM OF OPINION IN TURKEY
Turkish Intellectuals Between Democracy and Nationalism
By Dilek Zaptcioglu in Istanbul

Turkish novelist Elif Shafak was taken to court on charges of "insulting Turkishness." It's a part of the Turkish penal code often used to go after intellectuals. But do the country's politicians have the courage to change it?



Turkish author Elif Shafak is just one of many intellectuals in Turkey who have run afoul of Section 301.
It's a scenario familiar to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Apply the criminal code to the work of a novelist, and massive protests from the European Union about the freedom of opinion in Turkey ensue. Indeed, Erdogan has been taking those protests to heart and has recently been trying to change the Turkish penal code's notorious section 301. In comments delivered on Thursday, Erdogan promised that the section will be deleted should a consensus be reached in parliament.

Such a consensus is not yet in sight. Novelist Elif Shafak was taken to court on charges of "insulting Turkishness" this week -- and acquitted for lack of evidence. So far, the most well-known victim of section 301 has been the editor-in-chief of the Armenian weekly Agos, Hrant Dink, who will be sentenced to six months in prison if he "re-offends."

Section 301 of Turkey's penal code makes "insulting Turkishness, the Republic or the National Assembly" punishable by a prison sentence of between six months and three years. The sentence increases threefold when the offense is committed abroad. The EU has been demanding the abolition of section 301 for months. Since the law went into effect about one year ago, it has been used to press charges against at least 82 writers, publishers, journalists and intellectuals. During the past 15 months, numerous periodicals and books have been confiscated, and Internet sites have been shut down, according to the most recent report by Turkey's Human Rights Foundation (TIHV). A total of 15 people have been sentenced under the law. It is widely expected that this year the European Union Commission will use its annual progress report on Turkey's fitness for EU membership -- due out in mid-October -- as an opportunity to demand a re-drafting of section 301.

But doing so would require a major transformation within Turkey, and that transformation has yet to occur. Danish Amnesty International member Elna Leth Pedersen, who monitored Shafak's trial, believes a "change of mentality" is needed. It won't do for the section to be scrapped and replaced by another, she believes.

"Many countries -- including EU countries -- have similar laws," says Joost Lagendijk, a member of the European Parliament, speaking in Istanbul on the day of Shafak's trial. "But these laws never lead to writers or journalists being arrested," Lagendijk adds.

Eugene Schoulgin, a representative of the PEN Club, the international writers association, has called Shafak's trial a "scandal" and pointed out that hers is not the only case his organization is keeping a watchful eye on. "There are genuine human rights violations occurring in various countries, from EU member states to Australia," says Schoulgin, a Norwegian who now lives in Istanbul. He adds that the rising number of trials in Turkey is to do with the country's "giant steps towards democracy," which he says are prompting strong nationalist reactions "in certain circles."




A Nationalist Backlash

In fact, the lawyers who always appear as joint plaintiffs in section 301 trials are genuinely reactionary. They are members of the far-right lawyers association "Hukukcular Birligi." Led by Istanbul lawyer Kemal Kerincsiz, they are often the ones who press charges against authors. In their eyes, sensitive topics include the massacre committed against Armenians in 1915, the Kurdish question, the role of the military in Turkey -- and recent Turkish history in general.

For the past several years, Turkey has been undergoing a rapid cultural transformation. Thanks to the country's bid for EU membership, Turkey's past and present is being discussed more openly and controversially than ever before. But this also entails a growing rift between reformist forces and the rest of society. Many feel the reforms are happening too quickly and going too far.

Formally left-wing and now liberal-minded intellectuals such as Murat Belge, a professor of English literature, are speeding the EU reform process in the area of culture. Today these intellectuals are no longer as marginalized as they were 10 or 20 years ago, when they found themselves unemployed because of their views or were struggling to survive in small publishing houses. Now they hold teaching positions at Istanbul's many private universities, where they are using their connections to organize conferences on the Armenian and Turkish questions.

Official Turkish historiography is the main target of the criticisms repeatedly formulated at these conferences. According to Belge, official Turkish historiography has "achieved nothing so far besides denying the Armenian and the Kurdish questions and falsifying historical truths for extremely nationalist reasons." Turkey's liberal intellectuals make up a kind of "closed society" entertaining close contacts to the West; their activities are often financed with Western funds.

The result is that Turkish nationalists have a bone to pick. They're using section 301 as a weapon and they want to use the charges of "insulting Turkishness" and "damaging Turkey's reputation abroad" to expose the activities of intellectuals and writers to the public. The goal pursued by Turkish nationalists isn't necessarily that of getting writers into prison. Rather, it's to make these writers look like dangerous enemies of society to those Turks who haven't read their books.

The strategy is working. Most Turks view Kerincsiz and his right-wing lawyers as slightly overzealous champions of a just cause. Widespread popular support for the extreme nationalists and their struggles against the "enemies of the people" is even pushing the social democrat opposition in the Turkish parliament to argue against the abolition of section 301.

Elections will be held in Turkey in the fall of 2007. Even Prime Minister Erdogan will likely lack the courage to fully liberalize the Turkish penal code. Right now Erdogan is smugly playing the role of the democrat whose hands are tied. All he did on the eve of Shafak's trial was wish her the best of luck.

P.S. Even though Safak has been found innocent by the court, the article 301 continues to be an important obstacle for the freedoom of speech in Turkey.

zbrct, reg. Elif Shafak:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_23_25095_2

http://arts.independent.co.uk/books/features/article2806624.ece

Here you started again to sing the same old song. Telling about islamic Jihad theories in US , praising Adolf Hitler and his policies in Germany, a declaration against (so-called)Armenian Genocide in France and Switzerland. Aren't those a confinement reson in those countries ? If you don't beleive me , try those in somewhere out of your home and let's see the score all together. Things are not going through ranting like the way you do.

freedom to dress however u want.. *roll eyes*

Having read through the links relating to the writer Elif Shafik and Dink, one thing keeps coming to mind: The endless criticism of writers, intellectuals, artists etc... by people who don't even read their works and learn anything about them.

Take a look at what is happening to poor ol' Fazil Say ! Opened his mouth to express his beliefs and now he will probably being chased out of the country. What a shame !

Turkey has produced countless geniuses, Turks with incredible artistic and academic abilities, Turks with a passion to teach their fellow country men and women, the freedom to meditate on, learn about, broaden knowledge of various subjects including the poitical, controversial and delicate ones.

I have seen countless amazing Turks leave this country because they are not accepted. With this attitude towards the educated, things cannot improve !

The ultimate reward for education is TOLERANCE !

What can we Turks do ?

Afghan government official says that student will not be executed
The condemned student journalist Sayed Pervez Kambaksh will not face execution, a senior government official in Afghanistan indicated yesterday.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/afghan-government-official-says-that-student-will-not-be-executed-778686.html