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inşallah kızmamışsındır
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1.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 04 Feb 2006 Sat 01:31 pm

please explain to me why we cant just say,
inşallah kızmadın ??

and if it wasnt that i would have thought it would have just been
inşallah kızmamışsın

why do we use dır here??

please explain this all to me.. thanks in advance

2.       ramayan
2633 posts
 04 Feb 2006 Sat 06:13 pm

dude a hard question but...i will try to express some...

its sth like that

i hope u didnt get angry/inşaallah kızmadın(u were der when u did sth bad and u hope)


inşaallah kızmamıssındır(u were not der (mış and u guessed,he got angry .and ask him if he did or not..by hoping that he didnt get angry)

i think i could express..but maybe someone could do dis better...

hows it going dude???we cant see u around

3.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 05 Feb 2006 Sun 01:16 pm

so, when u say "there" do u mean physically there (with the person) karşında olabilir mi yani? like if i annoyed someone on msn whilst speaking to them.. which one would it be?
and also, why do we use "dır" here??

(i come online around this time now ramo.. i think u must come online different times...??)

4.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 06 Feb 2006 Mon 04:47 pm

well??

5.       wallflower
30 posts
 07 Feb 2006 Tue 06:52 am

Quoting miss_ceyda:

so, when u say 'there' do u mean physically there (with the person) karşında olabilir mi yani?



To my knowledge, I'd say not really, you not any one else did somthing bad or you knew definitely and directly that he/she got angry and in either of these two contexts, we say 'inşallah kızmadın'. (Is there any other context in which we say it?:-S )

Quoting miss_ceyda:

like if i annoyed someone on msn whilst speaking to them.. which one would it be?



I'd say 'inşallah kızmadın'.

Doğru mu?

Could someone correct me where i'm going wrong?
Thanks in advance.

6.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 07 Feb 2006 Tue 08:43 pm

if you are correct.. this helps.. sağolun

7.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 13 Feb 2006 Mon 11:39 pm

so why is "-dir" used here?? i still dont know look

8.       ramayan
2633 posts
 14 Feb 2006 Tue 03:01 am

we can say dis like ''to be''

look
im a student = ben bir ögrenciyim

you are a student = sen bir ögrencisindir

she is a student =o bir ögrencidir

i hope dis helps little

9.       wallflower
30 posts
 14 Feb 2006 Tue 08:12 am

The verb 'to be' --- 'olmak'

Hope this helps you out.

10.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 15 Feb 2006 Wed 05:34 pm

I thought that the -dir ending was used in only two places,
1. to emphasise a fact that doesn't change,
2. used as is in a formal conversation.

This is why I really don't understand how İnşallah kızmamışsındır can adapt this suffix, especially due to the fact that it wasn't used in a formal context.
Also, how does the verb olmak help me here?

11.       Elisa
0 posts
 15 Feb 2006 Wed 05:48 pm

Someone said to me once:

Umarim iyisindir

I guess that's the same problem? I asked that person why he used the 2nd and 3rd person suffix of olmak at the same time, but I didn't really get the explanation
Is it to stress that he hopes that I'm well? Or is it that he hopes I'm well, but he is not sure? :-S

12.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 15 Feb 2006 Wed 05:49 pm

Quoting Elisa:

Someone said to me once:

Umarim iyisindir

I guess that's the same problem? I asked that person why he used the 2nd and 3rd person suffix of olmak at the same time, but I didn't really get the explanation
Is it to stress that he hopes that I'm well? Or is it that he hopes I'm well, but he is not sure? :-S



yeah.. this is another example.. why isnt umarın iyisin used?

13.       Elisa
0 posts
 15 Feb 2006 Wed 05:58 pm

Quoting miss_ceyda:

Quoting Elisa:

Someone said to me once:

Umarim iyisindir

I guess that's the same problem? I asked that person why he used the 2nd and 3rd person suffix of olmak at the same time, but I didn't really get the explanation
Is it to stress that he hopes that I'm well? Or is it that he hopes I'm well, but he is not sure? :-S



yeah.. this is another example.. why isnt umarın iyisin used?



Oh but you can use "umarım iyisin" though! In fact, my friend told me that when in doubt, it's better not to add the -dir suffix..

14.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 15 Feb 2006 Wed 05:59 pm

i think we need help!!

15.       Elisa
0 posts
 15 Feb 2006 Wed 06:10 pm

That is a very wise conclusion..

16.       Elisa
0 posts
 15 Feb 2006 Wed 07:42 pm

Any clever bastards here yet?

17.       ramayan
2633 posts
 15 Feb 2006 Wed 10:50 pm

Quoting Elisa:

Any clever bastards here yet?



sorry im not a bastard so u must find someone else to help u

18.       Elisa
0 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 10:20 am

Quoting ramayan:

Quoting Elisa:

Any clever bastards here yet?



sorry im not a bastard so u must find someone else to help u



I KNEW I was gonna get a reaction like yours.
Actually, I only use "clever bastard" as a compliment

But OK: I'll put the question in a different way:
Would any of the nice helpful souls here be so kind to help out a poor ignorant girl?

19.       ramayan
2633 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 10:33 am

hahahah it was a nice bluff...anyway

umarım(i hope) iyisin(you are ok)
(m)for ''i'' (n)for you

and -dır a complex suffix but here its for an official meaning...u may not use it here...in fact i couldnt express well
anyway i like ur next question and cant help myself to reply

20.       salukvadze
82 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 11:00 am


21.       Elisa
0 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 01:28 pm

Quoting salukvadze:

its because of wrong conjugation...here is the correct conjugation:

iyiyim
iyisin
iyi (not also iyidir)
iyiyiz
iyisiniz
iyiler

-dir is not only for 3rd person and can be added to each:

iyiyimdir
iyisindir
iyidir
iyiyizdir
iyisinizdir
iyilerdir

even though they all make sense, 1st person rearly used, 2nd person often used, and 3rd person very often used.



Thanks for helping out guys, but I still don't get it. WHY is it used? You can tell me if you think I'm stupid or slow in understanding, I'm not easily insulted
But really, I still don't know the reason why it is used..

22.       Elisa
0 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 05:09 pm

Quoting Elisa:



Thanks for helping out guys, but I still don't get it. WHY is it used? You can tell me if you think I'm stupid or slow in understanding, I'm not easily insulted
But really, I still don't know the reason why it is used..



Instead of "why" I mean "when", of course. "When" as in "in which situation".
"Why" could turn this into a philosophical thing, and that is not my intention

23.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Feb 2006 Fri 12:16 am

yeah.. why is it used?? what would be the difference between iyisin and iyisindir..?? of be kafam karıştı..

24.       salukvadze
82 posts
 17 Feb 2006 Fri 09:18 am





25.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 17 Feb 2006 Fri 04:42 pm

thanks so much!! this really really helps!!

26.       Gizli Yuz
130 posts
 20 Feb 2006 Mon 06:23 am

I think the suffix -dir sometimes implies a strong possibility, a wish etc.


inşallah kızmamışsınDIR = Kızmamış olma ihtimalini umuyorum(a Wish)

More examples:

öğrencisindir herhalde. (strong possibility)

Q: Sence Ayşe yılbaşı partisine gidecek mi?

A: Gidecektir herhalde. (strong possibility)

27.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 20 Feb 2006 Mon 02:02 pm

thanks so much.. i will print this today

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