Quoting teaschip1:

Hard to compare one country to the other..I preferred reading the comments at the bottom of the page, myself.

Quoting catwoman:

I hope that will put a stop to your jealousy! What a relief!

Quoting teaschip1:

Hard to compare one country to the other..I preferred reading the comments at the bottom of the page, myself.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Ahahaha I was thinking the same - but of you! What a flurry of posts that provoked from you bed americans!!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Bragging?!!!! Incidently did you see what the US guy living in the UK said about healthcare?

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting AEnigma III:

The thing is, if I lose my job, I don't have to pay it, but receive exactly the same heathcare as the highest paid of workers.

Quoting catwoman:

The only thing I really like more about Europe is the fact that they have a much better balance between work and fun.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Have you visited every country in Europe?
Why are OUR countries not worthy of separate mention compared to the US? We each have very different cultures. It is rather like calling us ALL the west!!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting teaschip1: Quoting AEnigma III: Bragging?!!!! Incidently did you see what the US guy living in the UK said about healthcare? The one who says it's not free?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Why just "muslims"? Don't you agree that ALL immigrants take advantage of this system? Or is it more "allowable" when they are non-muslim?

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

This tells me you have most definitely NOT visited all the countries in Europe! We seem to take on singular importance when idiots like Blair form deals with your president regarding jumped up "wars".

Quoting AEnigma III:

This is factually incorrect. There is no evidence to suggest that muslim immigrants claim any more social security than non-muslim ones. What are your sources?

Quoting catwoman:

It's not about claiming social security, but about working and paying taxes.

Quoting SuiGeneris:

you continue eating eachother, but the world is MINE

Quoting catwoman:

It is also possible that you haven't visited all states in the US.
Don't worry, we also have idiots here who go to wars based on their mid life crisis hormonal imbalance that leads to a mental disorder (ie Bush).

Quoting AEnigma III:

Sorry, I meant the same thing. There is no evidence to suggest this. Pakastanis, as one example, are known to be very hardworking people.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting teaschip1:

I wouldn't call our President an idiot...I also had respect for Blair.

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting teaschip1:

I wouldn't call our President an idiot...I also had respect for Blair.

Quoting AEnigma III:

It is about time people realised that the BIGGEST does not mean the BEST.

(Except when talking about private matters!!! )

Quoting teaschip1:

So you could work one week, quit your job and have health insurance? Also, I'm curious what does a single employee pay on monthly basis into national insurance in UK? Is it the same for everyone or based on your salary and family size?

Quoting teaschip1:

I wouldn't call our President an idiot...I also had respect for Blair.

Quoting Elisabeth:

oh, ok...I guess that doesn't include me then...I also have world domination aspirations! Too bad Sui, it could have been so beautiful.

Quoting catwoman:

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Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Teas - you must get the word "insurance" out of your head. EVERYBODY is entitled to the same heathcare - from birth. You do not have to take ANY documents, certificates or evidence to the hospital with you and you don't have to claim anything back - there is NOTHING TO PAY.

Quoting MrX67:

theres a thinny line between critise and insult,and i think our country set this border a bit stronger,thats all.yes may be Turkey not enough democratical,but thx God still we have high values especially to about keeping limits..

Quoting teaschip1:

Well, if you think Bush is bad...Hillary is just plain evil.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

Well, if you think Bush is bad...Hillary is just plain evil.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Maybe that is the big difference, AEnigma. When you are an American and people say the word entitled...it makes us cringe. Most Americans feel that you must work for what you get because everyone supposedly has the same opportunities. Americans subscribe to a Social Darwinism that doesn't exsist in most of Europe or the UK. It is a mindset that will take years to change if the American people are willing to change it.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

.......Some people are born into lesser circumstances, and even if they have equal IQs and as strong a work ethic, they will never be wealthy. Your system is all about the "haves" and the "have nots" - with all the rewards going to the "haves".

Quoting KeithL:

all of american culture, the borders, human rights and benefits are based on one horrible criteria...

"where did your sperm originate??"

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

You were saying that in the US it's most important what kind of family you're born into - whether they are rich or not. My point was that it's much easier to make a fortune in the US then it is in Europe - as it's much harder to overcome the economic obstacles of being poor in Europe then it is in the US!

Quoting alameda:

Actually that is not true catwoman....if you are from a poor family, in this current days; it's very unlikely you will make a fortune now. Your nutritional needs will probably not be filled. That will lead to developmental problems. You will probably live in substandard housing, possibly being exposed to environmental hazards, such as lead, that can limit your intellectual development. You will probably also be exposed to toxics in the air, which may give you asthma.

' My first task is to find a place to live. I figure that if I can earn $7 an hour—which, from the want ads, seems doable—I can afford to spend $500 on rent or maybe, with severe economies, $600 and still have $400 or $500 left over for food and gas. In the Key West area, this pretty much confines me to flophouses and trailer homes—like the one, a pleasing fifteen-minute drive from town, that has no air-conditioning, no screens, no fans, no television, and, by way of diversion, only the challenge of evading the landlord's Doberman pinscher. The big problem with this place, though, is the rent, which at $675 a month is well beyond my reach. All right, Key West is expensive. But so is New York City, or the Bay Area, or Jackson, Wyoming, or Telluride, or Boston, or any other place where tourists and the wealthy compete for living space with the people who clean their toilets and fry their hash browns. Still, it is a shock to realize that 'trailer trash' has become, for me, a demographic category to aspire to. ' Nickel and Dimed

Quoting catwoman:

Ok.... it is true that crude capitalism is harsher then a welfare state. People have to take care of themselves instead of the government taking care of them. Because of that, supposedly, we have lower taxes. It would be a tough place to live if it wasn't that the free market provides people with many opportunities to make a living and take care of themselves. There are really a lot of opportunities here... as far as I know Bill Gates wasn't born rich.
The well being of people depends on how well the economy is doing and in countries where the government doesn't interfere with businesses too much, the economy prospers much better. That is supposedly why the UK's economy is better then the rest of Europe's.
It does sound harsh that people don't have a universal healthcare coverage. That is one of the consequences of the philosophy that the government should not take care of people. As a result of that the US has a highest quality health care, but many people can't afford it. It is definitely a very bad situation but I wouldn't want to go to the social health care because there are lots of problems with it as well, and we can find good solutions inside the current system here.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting teaschip1:

I would like to believe I'm a good judge in character.

Quoting ciko:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Unfortunately, the idea of paying high taxes for everyone to have healthcare in the US is not one that most American people can be convinced is a good one. Every American wants better healthcare BUT very few are willing to pay for it.

Quoting libralady:

If you think Bush is not dumb................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moutUEfqUQ4How dumb is Bush?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLvBUSJucg&feature=relatedAnd again..............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfwRb_XKFvA&feature=relatedHu is Hu?...............

Apologies for all the Youtube links but they are funny!

Quoting libralady:

Quoting libralady:

If you think Bush is not dumb................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moutUEfqUQ4How dumb is Bush?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLvBUSJucg&feature=relatedAnd again..............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfwRb_XKFvA&feature=relatedHu is Hu?...............

Apologies for all the Youtube links but they are funny!

Quoting ciko:

Quoting ciko:

i wonder what is the point of this thread... to determine which one is better?

Quoting ciko:

i wonder what is the point of this thread... to determine which one is better?

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting ciko: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting ciko: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting girleegirl: Quoting teaschip1: Well, if you think Bush is bad...Hillary is just plain evil. Please, do tell what 'evil' has Hillary perpetrated on the good people of the world. I would like to believe I'm a good judge in character. I have met thousands of women like Hillary Clinton in my life time. Hillary lacks integrity and I believe is a phony. She appears to be so self absorbed with a hidden agenda and not for the common good of the American people. Her past also doesn't help her cause. I realize you could say this about almost any politican, however I would give my vote to Obama before I would trust Hillary. i dont think she could be worse than G.W Bush.. and i dont think American Politics will change in long run.. US will keep destroying the world no matter who is in charge..maybe they will leave Iraq but i am very sure that they will create another enemy to fight..another land to make a blood bath as they have done for 50 years. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! You may want to choose your words more carefully, Ciko. I believe Turkey has it's own battle with the PKK. Did Turkey create this enemy? I do believe the U.S. has every right to interfere when it has a tremendous affect on our country. Otherwise, we should mind our own business. Which brings me to the following questions. Should the U.S. be providing real time intelligence to Turkey regarding the PKK or should we mind our own business? 1 st question: did turkey create PKK? absolutely yes if you could search about life in 70s and 80s in east of turkey you would see that. 2 nd question: Should the U.S. be providing real time intelligence to Turkey regarding the PKK or should we mind our own business? yes you should just mind your own business as other countries..and you urgently should get the f..k out of middle east..there is nothing else you should do..the longer you stay here the more we hate US. sad but true. and i wonder if Somalia, Sudan, Vietnam, all south american countries ( except argentina, brasil and mexico)kampuchea.. etc...did all these countries have tremendous effect on your country? whatever you say..all the world know what is USA dont waste your energy to explain how good you are for the world i wonder, do you have turkish blood?..you are unable to criticise your country just like most turkish people

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting libralady:

Quoting libralady:

Quoting alameda:

Quoting teaschip1:

............Employer sponsored Health Insurance programs cannot charge an employee premiums based on age, this is called discrimination in the U.S. They can design their plan to incorporate several options based on family size. Typically single, employee + 1 and family. Family always being the highest premium. The annual premium is based on previous activity, your aggregrate stop loss, claims payed out etc. set by your employer. Most employers medical & dental are done on a pre-tax basis. Most plans have a maximum lifetime amount, 1 million.

I can understand that medical bills can cause a huge hardship on families and even can cause bankruptcy. However, physicians and hospitals accept payment plans because legally they cannot report non payment to a collection agency, if they are receiving any form of payment.

Now life insurance is a seperate benefit that is based on age and logically so.. maybe the case for private as well.

Quoting alameda:

Quoting Roswitha:

The Party is over

http://www.investors.com/breakingnews.asp?journalid=66666852

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting ciko: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting ciko: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting girleegirl: Quoting teaschip1: Well, if you think Bush is bad...Hillary is just plain evil. Please, do tell what 'evil' has Hillary perpetrated on the good people of the world. I would like to believe I'm a good judge in character. I have met thousands of women like Hillary Clinton in my life time. Hillary lacks integrity and I believe is a phony. She appears to be so self absorbed with a hidden agenda and not for the common good of the American people. Her past also doesn't help her cause. I realize you could say this about almost any politican, however I would give my vote to Obama before I would trust Hillary. i dont think she could be worse than G.W Bush.. and i dont think American Politics will change in long run.. US will keep destroying the world no matter who is in charge..maybe they will leave Iraq but i am very sure that they will create another enemy to fight..another land to make a blood bath as they have done for 50 years. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! You may want to choose your words more carefully, Ciko. I believe Turkey has it's own battle with the PKK. Did Turkey create this enemy? I do believe the U.S. has every right to interfere when it has a tremendous affect on our country. Otherwise, we should mind our own business. Which brings me to the following questions. Should the U.S. be providing real time intelligence to Turkey regarding the PKK or should we mind our own business? 1 st question: did turkey create PKK? absolutely yes if you could search about life in 70s and 80s in east of turkey you would see that. 2 nd question: Should the U.S. be providing real time intelligence to Turkey regarding the PKK or should we mind our own business? yes you should just mind your own business as other countries..and you urgently should get the f..k out of middle east..there is nothing else you should do..the longer you stay here the more we hate US. sad but true. and i wonder if Somalia, Sudan, Vietnam, all south american countries ( except argentina, brasil and mexico)kampuchea.. etc...did all these countries have tremendous effect on your country? whatever you say..all the world know what is USA dont waste your energy to explain how good you are for the world i wonder, do you have turkish blood?..you are unable to criticise your country just like most turkish people

Quoting teaschip1:

I would like to believe I'm a good judge in character. I have met thousands of women like Hillary Clinton in my life time. Hillary lacks integrity and I believe is a phony. She appears to be so self absorbed with a hidden agenda and not for the common good of the American people. Her past also doesn't help her cause. I realize you could say this about almost any politican, however I would give my vote to Obama before I would trust Hillary.

Quoting teaschip1:

You may want to choose your words more carefully, Ciko. I believe Turkey has it's own battle with the PKK. Did Turkey create this enemy?

Quoting teaschip1:

I would like to believe I'm a good judge in character. I have met thousands of women like Hillary Clinton in my life time. Hillary lacks integrity and I believe is a phony. She appears to be so self absorbed with a hidden agenda and not for the common good of the American people. Her past also doesn't help her cause. I realize you could say this about almost any politican, however I would give my vote to Obama before I would trust Hillary.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman: