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1.       azade
1606 posts
 24 Jan 2008 Thu 11:04 pm

sokak çocukları

This is the saddest thing.

Does anyone have any information on homeless people in Turkey? Even though I've travelled a lot I have never seen any in such poor shape. It's heartbreaking.

2.       Leelu
1746 posts
 24 Jan 2008 Thu 11:10 pm

Quoting azade:

sokak çocukları

This is the saddest thing.

Does anyone have any information on homeless people in Turkey? Even though I've travelled a lot I have never seen any in such poor shape. It's heartbreaking.

3.       MrX67
2540 posts
 24 Jan 2008 Thu 11:14 pm

pity thats one of the most important social wound of our country,and capitalist economic order creating its own freak society model a bit more day by day by its all wildness,and thats really sad there r planty victims like this unlucky ones of wild capital race...

4.       alameda
3499 posts
 25 Jan 2008 Fri 10:03 pm

Quoting azade:

sokak çocukları

This is the saddest thing.

Does anyone have any information on homeless people in Turkey? Even though I've travelled a lot I have never seen any in such poor shape. It's heartbreaking.



I've heard of this problem Azade. The problem of street children is an international one, not just a Turkish one. Actually the problem is Turkey seems to be much less than in other places. Still, it's alarming it is happening at all in Turkey.

Read here.

Street Children

more

Human Rights Watch

5.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 25 Jan 2008 Fri 10:25 pm

Think of the neglected ones, who have no home in Haiti, Mexico, Colombia, Brazil and Africa, a world wide tragedy, esp. in third World countries. Read this: http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/02/22/colomb10202.htm

6.       teaschip
3870 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 12:52 am

Quoting Roswitha:

Think of the neglected ones, who have no home in Haiti, Mexico, Colombia, Brazil and Africa, a world wide tragedy, esp. in third World countries. Read this: http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/02/22/colomb10202.htm



I just got back from a cruise a few weeks ago and one of our ports was Labadee, Haiti. The ship line Royal Carribean owns a private penisula there. The time we spent there was so beautiful, then on my way back to catch the tender I was horrified. They have a metal fence, approx 14 feet or so that keeps the Haitians off their portion, which I do understand. However, when I saw the children standing there behind the fence looking so poverty stricken, holding out there hands, like they were in a cage it made me so upset.. I can't even describe the feeling that came over me. Let's just say, I wanted to smuggle them all back with me to the U.S.

7.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 01:09 am

Quoting azade:

sokak çocukları

This is the saddest thing.

Does anyone have any information on homeless people in Turkey? Even though I've travelled a lot I have never seen any in such poor shape. It's heartbreaking.



You obviously havent been in USA. Compared to their national wealth, they are in far worse shape.

8.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 01:50 am

Quoting AlphaF:

Quoting azade:

sokak çocukları

This is the saddest thing.

Does anyone have any information on homeless people in Turkey? Even though I've travelled a lot I have never seen any in such poor shape. It's heartbreaking.



You obviously havent been in USA. Compared to their national wealth, they are in far worse shape.



But this can never be a reason to have your country in this way with these homeless people...

Such a wrong point of view!!

9.       azade
1606 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:34 am

Well I have been in the USA and I have seen many homeless people before, because sadly there are people in that unfortunate situation in every country (I am yet to see an exception).
This video, however, seems really harsh and the kid really has nothing. I'm just saying it made a great impression on me. At least in many other places I have travelled homeless people still have some sort of (although obcviously very low) living standard, but this looks like something taken out of the poorest third world country.
Time is ripe for turkish politicians to do take steps towards generating more jobs. Something clearly needs to be done about this. Perhaps there are not many homeless people in Turkey, I don't know, but this guys conditions appear to be much more severe than those of the usual (perhaps by choice) homeless people begging on the street corner.
Which options are there for someone like this in Turkey?

10.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:05 am

Quoting azade:

Well I have been in the USA and I have seen many homeless people before, because sadly there are people in that unfortunate situation in every country (I am yet to see an exception).
This video, however, seems really harsh and the kid really has nothing. I'm just saying it made a great impression on me. At least in many other places I have travelled homeless people still have some sort of (although obcviously very low) living standard, but this looks like something taken out of the poorest third world country.
Time is ripe for turkish politicians to do take steps towards generating more jobs. Something clearly needs to be done about this. Perhaps there are not many homeless people in Turkey, I don't know, but this guys conditions appear to be much more severe than those of the usual (perhaps by choice) homeless people begging on the street corner.
Which options are there for someone like this in Turkey?



I kind of agree with you Azade. There is usually a REASON for homelessness (other than poverty) - i.e. alcoholism, breakdown, abusive home lives ... even to escape the rat race! Being out of work is not a reason for homelessness in most developed countries, as the unemployed are given money and housing.

11.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:07 am

That clip was painfully sad, even though I didn't understand much of what was being said. Such is the plight of many poverty stricken children/people around the world... With so much wealth in the world, how can there still be so much poverty?

12.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:09 am

Quoting Waseem_UK:

That clip was painfully sad. Although, I didn't understand much of what was being said. But such is the plight of many poverty stricken children/people around the world... With so much wealth in the world, how can there still be so much poverty?



The thing is Waseem - from your name I assume you live in the UK and as I said above, poverty is not the reason for our homeless. They are given benefit and housing. The reasons for our homeless are just as tragic, but it is never caused by poverty.

13.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:18 am

Quoting AEnigma III:



... poverty is not the reason for our homeless. They are given benefit and housing.



Well it would be unfair to say that they have tried to cheat the system, but there can be reasons why state benefits can be witheld and consequently they end up in the streets.

14.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:22 am

OK OK OK!!! There are exceptions maybe.... but help is there if people really need it. You never never see starving people - not really .

Even tramp alcoholics draw their benefit money...and buy more alcohol with it

(Edit: My post sounds more harsh than it actually is! All I am saying is that you never hear of starving homeless people in the UK. They are homeless for many complex reasons but all of those reasons are just as horrible.)

15.       azade
1606 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:01 pm

Yes that's what I meant Aenigma.

For all I know the guy in the video could be dead already and nobody would give a damn.

16.       Cacık
296 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:24 pm

One of the hardest things I face in Turkey is that when I see a homeless person begging for money, I want to give some. But there are so many conmen (PC language con-persons) here.

On the news last summer (I have tried to find this on youtube but I couldn't) there was a amputee man sitting on the central reservation of a main four lane street in Istanbul begging for money. The beggar soon realised that someone was filming him from a balcony on his video camera. The beggar got angry and starting shouting at the man taking the video. After a few moments the beggar disconnected his bent so-called amputated limb from out of his trouser and walked away on two very normal legs.

There are real genuine desperate people here in much need of help, but there are a huge number of cheaters too. How do you tell the difference.

17.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:38 pm

The man was obviouly not a genuine beggar.

My bet is that he was a policeman, watching drug dealers.

Why do people film and destroy the cover of policemen on duty?

18.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:38 pm

Quoting Cacık:

One of the hardest things I face in Turkey is that when I see a homeless person begging for money, I want to give some. But there are so many conmen (PC language con-persons) here.

On the news last summer (I have tried to find this on youtube but I couldn't) there was a amputee man sitting on the central reservation of a main four lane street in Istanbul begging for money. The beggar soon realised that someone was filming him from a balcony on his video camera. The beggar got angry and starting shouting at the man taking the video. After a few moments the beggar disconnected his bent so-called amputated limb from out of his trouser and walked away on two very normal legs.

There are real genuine desperate people here in much need of help, but there are a huge number of cheaters too. How do you tell the difference.



While i walk on the streets... i face those alot... so to choose the difference... i just give money to whom tries to sell a gum, or tissues... not to all ofcourse... you kinda understand or feel who is cheating or not...

19.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:40 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

The man was obviouly not a genuine beggar.

My bet is that he was a policeman, watching drug dealers.

Why do people film and destroy the cover of policemen on duty?



That was impressive...
Which has a big possibility...

20.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:42 pm

They should film the drug dealers, instead...much more fun there !

21.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:48 pm

I always carried around small packages of sweets, such as Kent or Bonjelly (?? cant remember). Since I heard that they cheat and fake a lot, I decided to only give candy to the kids. If you give money, and the parents turn out to be a cheat, the kids will be begging all day and the parents receive all the goods.

Sometimes, I do buy tissues or cakmak, but on the rare occassion I feel someone is genuine.

But I never give money to people who just beg and not try to sell something.

22.       azade
1606 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:51 pm

You're just saying that because you can condemn drug dealers acc. to your nationalist manifesto but there's no way to explain away this situation with excuses of him not being a real turk etc.

23.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:53 pm

Beware...What the drug dealers will shoot back, will not be a film !

24.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:54 pm

and what about those elderly beggers infront of mosques in Turkia?

25.       azade
1606 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:58 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

If [...]the parents turn out to be a cheat, the kids will be begging all day and the parents receive all the goods.



This happens a lot in touristic areas.
Once I heard a mother of one of these kids tell her daughter that it was time to go home. They had just dressed up in torn clothes and probably smeared dirt on themselves. She didn't know I understood what she said.
I never give anything to those children because I know their mothers are waiting around the corner to see how many naive tourists they can lure with their little innocent faces. It's not their fault, rather their terbiyesiz parents'.

26.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:00 pm

Quoting azade:

You're just saying that because you can condemn drug dealers acc. to your nationalist manifesto but there's no way to explain away this situation with excuses of him not being a real turk etc.



Have you missed the lovely film called "MIDNIGHT EXPRESS"

That was a hearty thank you to the Turkish Narcotic Police, for catching the pretty-boy drug dealer, red handed..All the world had to que to present their thanks.

27.       azade
1606 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:02 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

Quoting azade:

You're just saying that because you can condemn drug dealers acc. to your nationalist manifesto but there's no way to explain away this situation with excuses of him not being a real turk etc.



Have you missed the lovely film called "MIDNIGHT EXRESS"

That was a hearty thank you to the Turkish Narcotic Police, for catching the pretty-boy drug dealer, red handed..All the world had to que to present their thanks.



I don't think you are helping your case with this statement...

28.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:04 pm

Not to worry !

29.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:04 pm

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30.       azade
1606 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:06 pm

I know you don't

31.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:25 pm

Quoting azade:

This happens a lot in touristic areas.
Once I heard a mother of one of these kids tell her daughter that it was time to go home. They had just dressed up in torn clothes and probably smeared dirt on themselves. She didn't know I understood what she said.
I never give anything to those children because I know their mothers are waiting around the corner to see how many naive tourists they can lure with their little innocent faces. It's not their fault, rather their terbiyesiz parents'.



Yes. Thats exactly why we keep candy in our car (you get a lot of them too when you stand still on the road) and I keep some in my bag. For a while I also carried around those nazar degemsin small nazar boncuk, that I put on them. They are just kids, attention will make them happy. Its a shame if some of them really have no food and really come from poor families, but Id rather donate to a sokak cocuklar foundation than to the beggars on the street.

32.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 03:27 pm

Meet your neighbourly drug runner. Hayes...He is a good American. I bet he would have no problem getting a visa to Britain...

For good old time's sake....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHjLMnGkedU&feature=related

33.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 04:00 pm

Reality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2FsAzQal9c

34.       portokal
2516 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 05:28 pm

reality is, sometimes parents do send their kids to do what they do. and take their money.
one of the novels on this Hugo - L'homme qui rit.
give them flowers sometimes and they smile.
bath them and they are happier.
let them use binoculars and they will think it is... magic.
WORKING IN HELPING THIS PEOPLE IS MAGIC.

35.       alameda
3499 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 05:57 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:


While i walk on the streets... i face those alot... so to choose the difference... i just give money to whom tries to sell a gum, or tissues... not to all ofcourse... you kinda understand or feel who is cheating or not...



When I'm in an area like this, I give bread, bananas or things that have nutritional value and are easy to eat. Many of these people have bad teeth. Candy and sweets are not nutritious.

36.       MrX67
2540 posts
 26 Jan 2008 Sat 11:16 pm

and they all our kids and i think each one of us has some responsibilites about em,if we don't be aware of that even..

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