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GAZZE - WHAT IS GOING ON ?
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 01:52 pm |
Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting SuiGeneris: You dont see my point! the talk of the people in streets wont be a help to the people in Gazzah! |
Offfffffff Sui you have said this to me before here "talking about something will not change it". It is a "head in the sand" way of thinking. Talking about such things is healthy and .... actually in some cases, can bring about change (maybe not on turkish class!!!). |
Please will you read the rest of it aswell?
Talking "only" is what the politicians do... and its bare truth... talk and do something aswell...
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Of course I read the rest of your post. However, you cannot change my mind to your opinion that you should not talk about something unless you can change it.
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 02:02 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting SuiGeneris: You dont see my point! the talk of the people in streets wont be a help to the people in Gazzah! |
Offfffffff Sui you have said this to me before here "talking about something will not change it". It is a "head in the sand" way of thinking. Talking about such things is healthy and .... actually in some cases, can bring about change (maybe not on turkish class!!!). |
Please will you read the rest of it aswell?
Talking "only" is what the politicians do... and its bare truth... talk and do something aswell...
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Of course I read the rest of your post. However, you cannot change my mind to your opinion that you should not talk about something unless you can change it. |
What we do is already "talking" i thought we always talk...
So what do you think about Gazzah?
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28 Jan 2008 Mon 10:27 pm |
It's a border breach, an open border in Egypt is concerning. I agree something has to be done for the suffering, however Egypt is reluctant to have an open border with a territory rule by Islamic militants, rightfully so..The US never forced the Egyptian authorities....
However, Egypt is after all an Arab country, the Palestinians' elder sister, which connects them to the Arab world historically. Egypt has good relations with Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and Egypt had control over Gaza until 40 years ago. In Gaza, Arabic is spoken with an Egyptian accent. Why then, should the burden fall on the shoulders of Israel, the Palestinians' enemy, of all countries?
Egypt should have no doubt that the terror regime in Gaza will impact the entire Sinai Peninsula, and ultimately Cairo as well. The Egyptians must understand that there are no more excuses and that now they are obliged to act: Prevent arms from flowing into Gaza, while entering the Strip and getting increasingly involved.
I believe some responsibility for restoring order lies with Egypt. These people need some form of help..
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 01:04 am |
Because Israel caused it ?
Because İsrael has NO right to be in Gazzah or in all Palestin ?
Maybe that is reason enough why the burden should lay on İsrael..
We help them alright because they are our neighbours,our brothers and sisters..
But no,to carry the responsibility..NO
Because that is exactly what İsrael and US want us to do..
For those who forget,or who dont know,Gazzah is PART of Palestin,and will always be
İf we accept what they want us to do,by time İsrael will seperat it from Palestin,and as obvious that is what its tring to do already
Gazzah is pain in İsrael's.. body,and its trying to get rid of it,so it wont have any headache of people who wants their lands back or fight for it.
İt planted hate already between them,between brothers 'and Palestainians were naive enough and took the bait' but that wasnt enough,and Gazzah still pain ,so now trying to kill them,to kick them out,and wait for anyone to help them !
So NO...
We will help,but they STİLL have their homes back in Gazzah,in Palestine
GAZZAH is part of Palestine,and Palestine will always exist..and wont die that easy,and we wont be part of that game too.
So...better live with that !
''Wednesday, the border city of Rafah and its neighbouring city of Arish were inundated with Palestinians who managed to pass the border. Hours later, a spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry berated Egypt for allowing the Palestinians to exit Gaza. Israel said it would deny Gaza emergency fuel supplies it had earlier promised. But according to Egyptian security sources onsite, when the protesters broke through at dawn Wednesday there was no way that Egyptian security would repel them with armed force. "It was simply out of the question," commented one security source.''
''Wednesday, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak told reporters that at dawn he ordered Egyptian security forces stationed in Rafah to allow Palestinian crowds to enter Egyptian territory and "allow them to buy their basic needs and go back to Gaza -- as long as they are not carrying arms or anything illegal". Eyewitnesses in Rafah and Arish tell the Weekly that many Palestinians are doing exactly that. "Some keep coming and going back to carry more commodities. They carry so much. It looks horrible," commented one Arish resident. According to some accounts, hundreds if not thousands of Palestinians are renting flats -- sometimes shared -- to stay in Arish for an indefinite period. ''
''Egyptian official sources reveal that there has been US and Israeli protests over the breach of the Rafah crossing. However, they say that Cairo is not in a position to force any Palestinian to return. Egypt, they acknowledge, already has a bad image with the citizens of Gaza and their political leadership''
AlAhram Weekly
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 05:20 pm |
Egypt occupied Gaza from 1948 to 1967. However when Israel and Egypt signed their peace treaty in 1979, in which Egypt got back much of their land lost in the 1967 war, they didn’t push the issue to get Gaza back. Why not? Because Gaza was occupied by Palestinians, which Egypt didn’t want responsibility for.
The Arab countries have not wanted to take responsibility for the Palestinians. Why are most Palestinians still living in refuge camps, not only in “occupied†territory, but Arab countries as well? Are the Palestinians being used as pawns in the battle to exercise “right of return†which would eliminate Israel as we now know it?
Why did the Palestinians only resort to terror tactics once Israel “occupied†the territories? Why didn’t they use these tactics they are using today against Jordan in the West Bank and Egypt in Gaza? Why didn’t they attack the civilian populations of the same countries as the do in Israel?
What historical president is there for a country to return land won in a war? Remember how many wars there were between Israel and multiple Arab countries. The 1967 war was started by Israel, but only because they had information that an attack was pending by Jordan, Egypt and Syria. If Israeli land was now occupied by any of those countries would there be similar demands for them to return captured territory?
Are the Palestinians pawns? Sadly, yes. Should they act as a state if they want to be treated as such? Yes. Are they (Hammas) doing so? No. Is there some blame for Israel for the current situation? Yes. Are they the only ones with such responsibility? No.
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 05:26 pm |
Gazze is one of humanity shame center of this century..how can be this much blind and deaf all world this untold treagedy???
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 05:40 pm |
Quoting MrX67: Gazze is one of humanity shame center of this century..how can be this much blind and deaf all world this untold treagedy??? |
Because there is nothing more powerful than israel and jewish in the world Money talks...
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 06:24 pm |
Quoting ciko: Quoting MrX67: Gazze is one of humanity shame center of this century..how can be this much blind and deaf all world this untold treagedy??? |
Because there is nothing more powerful than israel and jewish in the world Money talks... |
but humanity must be stronger then dirty paper pieces,is peace more cheap then money????
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 06:50 pm |
if i only knew much things about gazze.
what was going on...
what i am?
what will be going on?
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 07:13 pm |
I was extremely happy the day I read the news about the border wall torn down in rafah. This is not the only obstacle to peace in the middle east but it is certainly its main pillar. I hate what Israel has done to these people. And I am ashamed of the Arabs for letting it happen. And I am disgusted that my government pays for it...
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29 Jan 2008 Tue 07:23 pm |
Arjun-Vishad The Dejection of Arjuna
Krishna! as I behold, come here to shed Their common blood, yon concourse of our kin, My members fail, my tongue dries in my mouth, A shudder thrills my body, and my hair Bristles with horror; from my weak hand slips Gandiv, the goodly bow; a fever burns My skin to parching; hardly may I stand; The life within me seems to swim and faint; Nothing do I foresee save woe and wail! It is not good, O Keshav! nought of good Can spring from mutual slaughter! Lo, I hate Triumph and domination, wealth and ease, Thus sadly won! Aho! what victory Can bring delight, Govinda! what rich spoils Could profit; what rule recompense; what span Of life itself seem sweet, bought with such blood? Seeing that these stand here, ready to die, For whose sake life was fair, and pleasure pleased, And power grew precious: - grandsires, sires, and sons. Brothers, and fathers-in-law, and sons-in-law, Elders and friends! Shall I deal death on these Even though they seek to slay us? Not one blow, O Madhusudan! will I strike to gain The rule of all Three Worlds; then, how much less To seize an earthly kingdom! Killing these Must breed but anguish, Krishna! If they be Guilty, we shall grow guilty by their deaths; Their sins will light on us, if we shall slay Those sons of Dhritirashtra, and our kin; What peace could come of that, O Madhava? For if indeed, blinded by lust and wrath, These cannot see, or will not see, the sin Of kingly lines o'erthrown and kinsmen slain, How should not we, who see, shun such a crime We who perceive the guilt and feel the shame Oh, thou Delight of Men, Janardana? By overthrow of houses perisheth Their sweet continuous household piety, And - rites neglected, piety extinct Enters impiety upon that home; Its women grow unwomaned, whence there spring Mad passions, and the mingling-up of castes, Sending a Hell-ward road that family, And whoso wrought its doom by wicked wrath. Nay, and the souls of honored ancestors Fall from their place of peace, being bereft Of funeral-cakes and the wan death-water.1
So teach our holy hymns. Thus, if we slay Kinsfolk and friends for love of earthly power, Ahovat! what an evil fault it were! Better I deem it, if my kinsmen strike, To face them weaponless, and bare my breast To shaft and spear, than answer blow with blow.
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