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DEATH OF ATATURK
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1.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jan 2008 Sun 07:15 am

There are some claims that Ataturk's death is far from being natural. The point of the claims is that he was intentionally misdiagnosed and deliberately mistreated during his illness, leading to his untimely demise. (died at 57 years of age).

While I can not provide references in English, a google search "Ataturk nasil olduruldu" may lead Turkish speakers to a number of entries...which do look plausible, but offer no conclusive proof.

The most serious claims, that I am aware of, come from a researcher named OGUN DELI (see internet, for quick reference) and can also be found in the doctorate thesis of a Naval Officer (a medical doctor).

Mr. Deli has written a book on the subject, which is freely circulated and sold in bookshops - if anyone is interested.

Whether or not true, the claim is a very serious one that Turkish public should find difficult to live with. One would normally assume that a full scale investigation would be launched to (1) disprove the claim and possibly try Mr. Deli for false allegations, or if the claim is proven to be correct, (2) to let public know who was behind the plot, punish collaborators if any is still alive.

Neither of the alternatives happen; people just pretend that the claim does not exist. What is intriguing to me is that everybody keeps silent;

Turkish Military,
Turkish National Assembly,
Political parties, major politicians,
Turkish Media (with minor exceptions)
Turkish Historians,
Turkish Universities, Academics,
Other Turkish Professionals, Turkish doctors (except a few)
Turkish youth, the werewolves,
Fiercely moustached Turkish Nationalists (with minor exceptions)
Turkish National Soccer Team,

all seem to be in a tacit agreement to keep silent and ignore the claim, for the time being.

BELIEVE IT, OR NOT.....

2.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 27 Jan 2008 Sun 12:01 pm

Oh Alpha! You stated his murder as fact yesterday and now you say it comes from a book by Mr. Crazy! lol

There are always conspiracy theories when famous or well-known people die - almost without exception!

People make a lot of money from this claims - you only have to look at Paul Burrel and his claims about Princess Diana!! As soon as he was asked to give evidence in court, he suddenly does not have his "proof" anymore and things he may be lost it! lol lol lol

As to your theory that there should have been an investigation, the post-mortum was obvious enough to satisfy everyone that his death was natural. The only reason the ridiculously expensive court case about Princess Diana's death is going on in the UK is because of a very rich man who lost his son and wants to blame SOMEBODY other than his own staff.

3.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 27 Jan 2008 Sun 12:53 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

people just pretend that the claim does not exist. What is intriguing to me is that everybody keeps silent;

Turkish Military,
Turkish National Assembly,
Political parties, major politicians,
Turkish Media (with minor exceptions)
Turkish Historians,
Turkish Universities, Academics,
Other Turkish Professionals, Turkish doctors (except a few)
Turkish youth, the werewolves,
Fiercely moustached Turkish Nationalists (with minor exceptions)
Turkish National Soccer Team,

all seem to be in a tacit agreement to keep silent and ignore the claim, for the time being.

BELIEVE IT, OR NOT.....



I am surprised you find it so intriguing! I thought this was standard policy in Turkey for ANYTHING that is a bit uncomfortable to discuss, or anything which does not promote Turkishness

4.       christine
443 posts
 27 Jan 2008 Sun 01:21 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:



People make a lot of money from this claims - you only have to look at Paul Burrel and his claims about Princess Diana!! As soon as he was asked to give evidence in court, he suddenly does not have his "proof" anymore and things he may be lost it! lol lol lol

Yes anyone can claim lots of things about a person once they are dead, because they are no longer here to defend themselves.

The only reason the ridiculously expensive court case about Princess Diana's death is going on in the UK is because of a very rich man who lost his son and wants to blame SOMEBODY other than his own staff.



This is totally true and is a waste of money. The truth will never be known and it is time to let Diana rest in peace.

5.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jan 2008 Sun 02:02 pm

There are doubts on his post mortem, too.

6.       azade
1606 posts
 27 Jan 2008 Sun 02:18 pm

He died of cirrhosis, probably caused by his fondless of rakı. End of story.

But I see why nationalists would want to turn to conspiracy theories...
Why not just let him rest in peace?

7.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jan 2008 Sun 03:24 pm

He was treated for cirrhosis, but he did not have that disease (wrong diagnosis). The medicine they used to treat him was mercury based (wrong and fatal treatment); questioned by many at the time, totally banned now.

His liver totally disappeared after post mortem. In a situation where everything was photographed and recorded, there seems to be no records of what happened to the remains of his liver.

Who is Diana? Who is the mystery rich man?

8.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 27 Jan 2008 Sun 03:38 pm

The thing is, partner, you are stating these things as fact, but where is your evidence (other than from Mr Crazy's book)?.

Have you personal knowledge of the missing liver? Did you request to see it?

9.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jan 2008 Sun 03:49 pm

Correct to say I have no first hand information..How can I have it? I was not around at the time.

But there have been other articles, TV shows etc., suggesting the same theory.

No one ever rejected the suggestions. Mr. Deli gives names; his is a very serious accusation, which should be punishable, if false.

10.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 27 Jan 2008 Sun 03:50 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

Who is Diana? Who is the mystery rich man?



Diana is goddess of the hunt (according to Roman mythology -but what do Italians know eh?)

I am still trying to find a mystery rich man!
(preferably very old, with a low libido, a heart condition and no children to inherit his wealth )

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