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1.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:16 am

Dears,
i really hope my colleagues from work made a stupid joke! maybe you know for sure ...
when becoming a turkish citizen someone NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS NAME? meaning to take turkish name?
not to be confusions: Andreea Inankur ... tamammm, Inankur i got married, took my husbands family name ...
I understood i need to change Andreea into turkish name, which WONT HAPPEN!!!
I prefer not taking the citizenship than changing my name ... its absurd!
Thanks!
ANDREEA Inankur for ever!

2.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:22 am

Look...do not be awkward...

Wont they let you become Andreea Ayse Inankur? or Ayse Andreea Inankur, which ever those buggers agree?

Check it out...They can not refuse that........

3.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:29 am

NOT even!!! anyway my grandmother in law is telling me Ayse because Andreea its hard at her age to say and remember and i dont mind coming from her part!
BUT NO ONE IS CHAINGING MY NAME or ADDING SMTH!
What is this? My parents named me Andreea, its the name they love and i love, all my documents are on the name of Andreea, they are coming now and saying to take turkish name!
The name wont make me TURK! Ne mutlu turkum diyene, means what a happiness for the one than can call himself turk, not for the one that takes turkish names and lives in turkey ... with the risk to step on Article 301 i wont change my name and take turkish citizenship! I will pay 600 YTL / year for that ikamet teskeresi for the rest of my life, but I don’t care!
sorry guys but it seems very absurd to me ...

4.       azade
1606 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:29 am

It sounds really absurd and I don't see how they can demand you change your name..but then again it's Turkey, you never know

5.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:31 am

Azade, what was your original name, Maria?

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:34 am

Quoting Inankur:

Dears,
i really hope my colleagues from work made a stupid joke! maybe you know for sure ...
when becoming a turkish citizen someone NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS NAME? meaning to take turkish name?
not to be confusions: Andreea Inankur ... tamammm, Inankur i got married, took my husbands family name ...
I understood i need to change Andreea into turkish name, which WONT HAPPEN!!!
I prefer not taking the citizenship than changing my name ... its absurd!
Thanks!
ANDREEA Inankur for ever!


Having a turkish name is not the only thing:
you have to pass turkishness test in which you have to sing national anthem without a single mistake, depending on who interviews you, -if an islamist- you may be asked to recite three versus in arabic, -if it is a nationalist- you may be asked to sing 'cirpinirdi karadeniz'

7.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:34 am

Andreea, do not be hysterical ...
There are advantages in taking up a second name in Turkish, that you will appreciate later...You do not have to drop your original name...

8.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:36 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Inankur:

Dears,
i really hope my colleagues from work made a stupid joke! maybe you know for sure ...
when becoming a turkish citizen someone NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS NAME? meaning to take turkish name?
not to be confusions: Andreea Inankur ... tamammm, Inankur i got married, took my husbands family name ...
I understood i need to change Andreea into turkish name, which WONT HAPPEN!!!
I prefer not taking the citizenship than changing my name ... its absurd!
Thanks!
ANDREEA Inankur for ever!


Having a turkish name is not the only thing:
you have to pass turkishness test in which you have to sing national anthem without a single mistake, depending on who interviews you, -if an islamist- you may be asked to recite three versus in arabic, -if it is a nationalist- you may be asked to sing 'cirpinirdi karadeniz'



That is complete bulshit !
You dont have to change your religion, to marry a Moslem Turk !

9.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:37 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Inankur:

Dears,
i really hope my colleagues from work made a stupid joke! maybe you know for sure ...
when becoming a turkish citizen someone NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS NAME? meaning to take turkish name?
not to be confusions: Andreea Inankur ... tamammm, Inankur i got married, took my husbands family name ...
I understood i need to change Andreea into turkish name, which WONT HAPPEN!!!
I prefer not taking the citizenship than changing my name ... its absurd!
Thanks!
ANDREEA Inankur for ever!


Having a turkish name is not the only thing:
you have to pass turkishness test in which you have to sing national anthem without a single mistake, depending on who interviews you, -if an islamist- you may be asked to recite three versus in arabic, -if it is a nationalist- you may be asked to sing 'cirpinirdi karadeniz'



hahhaha
the one with KORMA ...
my husband laughs because i sing it in home like this: KORKMA ta ta MUSTAFAAAA

I am sorry: i love turkey, i love Ataturk but i dont accept

10.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:38 am

Quoting Inankur:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Inankur:

Dears,
i really hope my colleagues from work made a stupid joke! maybe you know for sure ...
when becoming a turkish citizen someone NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS NAME? meaning to take turkish name?
not to be confusions: Andreea Inankur ... tamammm, Inankur i got married, took my husbands family name ...
I understood i need to change Andreea into turkish name, which WONT HAPPEN!!!
I prefer not taking the citizenship than changing my name ... its absurd!
Thanks!
ANDREEA Inankur for ever!


Having a turkish name is not the only thing:
you have to pass turkishness test in which you have to sing national anthem without a single mistake, depending on who interviews you, -if an islamist- you may be asked to recite three versus in arabic, -if it is a nationalist- you may be asked to sing 'cirpinirdi karadeniz'



hahhaha
the one with KORKMA ...
my husband laughs because i sing it in home like this: KORKMA ta ta MUSTAFAAAA

I am sorry: i love turkey, i love Ataturk but i dont accept

11.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:41 am

Good-bye Andreea...It was nice while it lasted...

12.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:43 am

Quoting AlphaF:

Andreea, do not be hysterical ...
There are advantages in taking up a second name in Turkish, that you will appreciate later...You do not have to drop your original name...



i am not hysterical Alpha, i am just intrigued ... because its not normal smth like this ... the first acceptance is coming from the family and society, and if they all received me as i am - without knowing turkish at first, with my name which might be hard for them to remember it etc etc what is the problem? what advantages can this provide now or later?

13.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:43 am

Quoting Inankur:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Inankur:

Dears,
i really hope my colleagues from work made a stupid joke! maybe you know for sure ...
when becoming a turkish citizen someone NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS NAME? meaning to take turkish name?
not to be confusions: Andreea Inankur ... tamammm, Inankur i got married, took my husbands family name ...
I understood i need to change Andreea into turkish name, which WONT HAPPEN!!!
I prefer not taking the citizenship than changing my name ... its absurd!
Thanks!
ANDREEA Inankur for ever!


Having a turkish name is not the only thing:
you have to pass turkishness test in which you have to sing national anthem without a single mistake, depending on who interviews you, -if an islamist- you may be asked to recite three versus in arabic, -if it is a nationalist- you may be asked to sing 'cirpinirdi karadeniz'



hahhaha
the one with KORMA ...
my husband laughs because i sing it in home like this: KORKMA ta ta MUSTAFAAAA

I am sorry: i love turkey, i love Ataturk but i dont accept


lol
hey..in severe cases you might be even asked to sing ceddin deden neslin baban and genc osman

14.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:48 am

Quoting Inankur:

Quoting AlphaF:

Andreea, do not be hysterical ...
There are advantages in taking up a second name in Turkish, that you will appreciate later...You do not have to drop your original name...



i am not hysterical Alpha, i am just intrigued ... because its not normal smth like this ... the first acceptance is coming from the family and society, and if they all received me as i am - without knowing turkish at first, with my name which might be hard for them to remember it etc etc what is the problem? what advantages can this provide now or later?



Andreea, I honestly symphatize with you...But the issue is not as important as you make out, if your desire to change your nationality is sincere...

If not sincere, you can stay at your own nationality..they can not stop your marriage...

15.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:52 am

Quoting AlphaF:

Quoting Inankur:

Quoting AlphaF:

Andreea, do not be hysterical ...
There are advantages in taking up a second name in Turkish, that you will appreciate later...You do not have to drop your original name...



i am not hysterical Alpha, i am just intrigued ... because its not normal smth like this ... the first acceptance is coming from the family and society, and if they all received me as i am - without knowing turkish at first, with my name which might be hard for them to remember it etc etc what is the problem? what advantages can this provide now or later?



Andreea, I honestly symphatize with you...But the issue is not as important as you make out, if your desire to change your nationality is sincere...

If not sincere, you can stay at your own nationality..they can not stop your marriage...[/QUOTE

i understand alpha. maybe in 2 years i will think otherwise and if they allow me keep Andreea i might choose Aylin or even Ayse as second, but only as SECOND and anyway no one will call me like this. I am thinking that for my future children will be better and anyway not all the companies want to make calisma izni ... soooooo ...
but its smth wrong with this law

16.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:54 am

If you are in Rome, act like Romans........

17.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:56 am

Quoting Inankur:


i understand alpha. maybe in 2 years i will think otherwise and if they allow me keep Andreea i might choose Aylin or even Ayse as second, but only as SECOND and anyway no one will call me like this. I am thinking that for my future children will be better and anyway not all the companies want to make calisma izni ... soooooo ...
but its smth wrong with this law


I dont think it is true though..I dont think you need to have a Turkish name at all. It will be very stupid if it is true!!
I think it is best ask Marioninturkey. She is a Turkish citizen I think.

18.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 10:58 am

Quoting AlphaF:

If you are in Rome, act like Romans........



or make yourself brother with the devil until you pass the bridge ...


19.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:00 am

That is insincere....marriages do not work like that, take my word for it !

20.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:02 am

Quoting AlphaF:

That is insincere....marriages do not work like that, take my word for it !



i didnt refer to my marriage, OMG! i love my husband very much and we have a super marriage
it was regarding taking the name to be in peace in here and eliminate further problems

21.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:05 am

There are many Greek, Armenian etc. citizens of Turkia. They have no problem giving their children names that they please.

I dont think you will be forced to change your name against your wishes.. It will be smart, if you do !

22.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:10 am

Quoting AlphaF:

There are many Greek, Armenian etc. citizens of Turkia. They have no problem giving their children names that they please.

I dont think you will be forced to change your name against your wishes.. It will be smart, if you do !



yes its true, we have a friend, armenian, George Bey
but they are considered minorities so the problem might be different ...
anyway ... thanks a lot kids, and sorry Alpha for annoying you little bit

23.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:17 am

I am not annoyed...I want you to be happy !

Jewish citizens in Turkia can also name theirs kids, as they please,

As far as I know, Jewish citizens of Turkia refused to be considered as minority in Turkia (out of their own will) and renounced the minority rights, opting to become normal ordinary Turkish citizens.

24.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:20 am

Quoting AlphaF:

I am not annoyed...I want you to be happy !



thanks a lot Alpha! all my best wishes to you too!

25.       azade
1606 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:20 am

Quoting AlphaF:

Azade, what was your original name, Maria?



I have not changed my name, only my mother in law calls me Cane. I was thinking about it for a while because it's much easier when I live in Turkey but imagine having to respond to something different than you have been all your life...no thanks. Cane is actually really close to my real name and it's just convenient to use here But an actual name change? Never.. well maybe if I was to go under a witness protection program but that's not something I'm counting on lol
For a future daughter - Sarê, provided that we live in Turkey

26.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:25 am

Cane suits you fine....

27.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:25 am

Quoting azade:

Quoting AlphaF:

Azade, what was your original name, Maria?



I have not changed my name, only my mother in law calls me Cane. I was thinking about it for a while because it's much easier when I live in Turkey but imagine having to respond to something different than you have been all your life...no thanks. Cane is actually really close to my real name and it's just convenient to use here But an actual name change? Never.. well maybe if I was to go under a witness protection program but that's not something I'm counting on lol



you have not changed your name because like me, we are married for only 1 year. but after 3 years, we are taking the citizenship and then this change will be done ...
or NOT!!! hahhahaa

28.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:28 am

Inankur, I really hope that you understood this wrong and that adopting a Turkish name is not a requirement for a Turkish nationality!

Right now I can say I never want one. Think of it, you make a bad comment about Atatürk and suddenly you will be put in jail for something all your life you have thought to be very undemocratic and rather ridiculous if not hilarious. So, no thanks, not for me!

Anyway, ask Marioninturkey, she does have a Turkish citizenship.

29.       azade
1606 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:30 am

Quoting Inankur:

Quoting azade:

Quoting AlphaF:

Azade, what was your original name, Maria?



I have not changed my name, only my mother in law calls me Cane. I was thinking about it for a while because it's much easier when I live in Turkey but imagine having to respond to something different than you have been all your life...no thanks. Cane is actually really close to my real name and it's just convenient to use here But an actual name change? Never.. well maybe if I was to go under a witness protection program but that's not something I'm counting on lol



you have not changed your name because like me, we are married for only 1 year. but after 3 years, we are taking the citizenship and then this change will be done ...
or NOT!!! hahhahaa



I don't you don't have to worry about anything, but as mentioned it will probably be easier for you if you add a second turkish name. But don't forget yourself in the process, you are Andreea lol You have the right attitude already - not doing anything you don't want to.

30.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:32 am

You can not build your whole life on stupid aspirations as preached by Deli-kizin..

Consider carefully...Why should you ever wish to insult Ataturk?

31.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:32 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Inankur, I really hope that you understood this wrong and that adopting a Turkish name is not a requirement for a Turkish nationality!

Right now I can say I never want one. Think of it, you make a bad comment about Atatürk and suddenly you will be put in jail for something all your life you have thought to be very undemocratic and rather ridiculous if not hilarious. So, no thanks, not for me!

Anyway, ask Marioninturkey, she does have a Turkish citizenship.



Hello Deli kiz!
there are some laws in here which indeed are some unlogical ...
we will ask marion, anyway i will ask another friend which has citizenship etc.
But, i have here a colleague in work, he is from Surya. his real name is TAREK and 1 year ago, when he took the citizenship changed it in TARIK ... yanniiiiiiii

32.       Cacık
296 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:37 am

As far as I know (and the law may have changed and my info out of date) but there is a different rule for men and women.

I did not have to change my name when I married my Turkish husband. But a male friend of mine here who married a Turkish lady was forced to take a Turkish name when he took dual citizenship. He was in the office sorting out the citizenship and the women in the office asked him for his Turkish name, he did not think of one so the ladies in the office chose one for him right there and then ! His son also had to have a Turkish name when he was born.

I HATE this law because as someone mentioned here before, these names are given to us by our parents, something our parents sat and thought about when our mothers were carrying us in their wombs. It is a part of us and should never be forced to change.

If I have children, I must give them Turkish names - perhaps I would like to name my son after my father !

However, look around you in the street and you will see; English Time or English Home, or Claires, or Pastry Dreams - all English names for business even though this is also illegal.

33.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:39 am

Perhaps ENDER will be a nice Turkish name for you....cant think of anything else that rhymes with Andreea.

34.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:42 am

Quoting AlphaF:

Why should you ever wish to insult Ataturk?



Well, I most certainly would not want to, as there is no point anyway. But I sure would like to have the RİGHT to do so, whenever it suited me. The fact that Id probably never use the right, is not the point. The point is having it, and not giving it up.

35.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:45 am

Quoting AlphaF:

Perhaps ENDER will be a nice Turkish name for you....cant think of anything else that rhymes with Andreea.



hihii yesssss lets make a list with possible names for me, for deli kizin and Azade
ENDER sounds nice, what it means?
but as you said first: Ayse might be good anyway i am already called like this by grandmother in law ... its short and i can tell it as a whisper so no one can hear it

36.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:48 am

Quoting Cacık:

As far as I know (and the law may have changed and my info out of date) but there is a different rule for men and women.

I did not have to change my name when I married my Turkish husband. But a male friend of mine here who married a Turkish lady was forced to take a Turkish name when he took dual citizenship. He was in the office sorting out the citizenship and the women in the office asked him for his Turkish name, he did not think of one so the ladies in the office chose one for him right there and then ! His son also had to have a Turkish name when he was born.

I HATE this law because as someone mentioned here before, these names are given to us by our parents, something our parents sat and thought about when our mothers were carrying us in their wombs. It is a part of us and should never be forced to change.

If I have children, I must give them Turkish names - perhaps I would like to name my son after my father !

However, look around you in the street and you will see; English Time or English Home, or Claires, or Pastry Dreams - all English names for business even though this is also illegal.


This is SO IDIOTIC..
I am sure you dont need to give turkish names to your children. And you should not be forced to take a Turkish name either..
it does not matter you are a man or a woman!!
I am sure, giving that man a Turkish name was just a stupid nationalist taking the law into her hands.

37.       MrX67
2540 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:55 am

law rules must be objective and has to save main rights,and i think name is one of the main right for a person and this right have to save whatever,and i think no harm to be citizen with any name unless it doesn't opposite or against to ethical and moral values.And i think some court decissions about that for keep ''name right''..jale or jane,Ahmet or Andre,Cemil or Jack any difference if they both willing to share same fate?

38.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 11:58 am

ENDER = RARE, hard to find

39.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 12:02 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

ENDER = RARE, hard to find



what can i say: yes i am so

its a nice name, maybe i will put it to my child ...
Alpha are you turk?

40.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 12:06 pm

Yes...You can call your first son Mustafa Kemal....

41.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 12:12 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

Yes...You can call your first son Mustafa Kemal....



nop, Emin MIHAI ( romanian nameee - naughty meeee ) Inankur will be.
Emin Inankur is actually my grandgrand father in law, a man loved very much by Ataturk. Actually Inankur name was given to him by Ataturk himself


42.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 12:18 pm

Very good !

All you have to do is to compare your grand father-in-law with the peanuts asking for their rights to curse Ataturk. You will immediately understand the difference in quality.

43.       Inankur
131 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 12:34 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

Very good !

All you have to do is to compare your father-in-law with the peanuts asking for their rights to curse Ataturk. You will immediately understand the quality of the latter.



the ones that understand the greatness of Ataturk wont ever curse him, but bless him ... even if they are turks or foreigners. I truly believe like this.
If you had the chance to see on youtube videos and channels made by greeks, armenians with Ataturks picture made as gay, with people making pee on turkish flag you will all understand the logic of Article 301.
And by the way, i got my YT account suspended yesterday because i reported such accounts and videos
so its not a game, Turkey needs article 301 against people without value and respect for the other.
Freedom of speech does not apply to the animals ...

44.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 01:15 pm

Quoting Inankur:

Quoting AlphaF:

Very good !

All you have to do is to compare your father-in-law with the peanuts asking for their rights to curse Ataturk. You will immediately understand the quality of the latter.



the ones that understand the greatness of Ataturk wont ever curse him, but bless him ... even if they are turks or foreigners. I truly believe like this.
If you had the chance to see on youtube videos and channels made by greeks, armenians with Ataturks picture made as gay, with people making pee on turkish flag you will all understand the logic of Article 301.
And by the way, i got my YT account suspended yesterday because i reported such accounts and videos
so its not a game, Turkey needs article 301 against people without value and respect for the other.
Freedom of speech does not apply to the animals ...


Article 301 needs changing.
I ,personally, never believed law is necessary to protect Ataturk!!

45.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 01:20 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

I ,personally, never believed law is necessary to protect Ataturk!!



What you just said pays much more respect to Atatürk than any law could

46.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 01:29 pm

We shall not let you curse or insult Ataturk. At least, while you are in Turkia.

No. kidding !

47.       Cacık
296 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 01:56 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


This is SO IDIOTIC..
I am sure you dont need to give turkish names to your children. And you should not be forced to take a Turkish name either..
it does not matter you are a man or a woman!!
I am sure, giving that man a Turkish name was just a stupid nationalist taking the law into her hands.



You may have a point there: http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/414102.asp

48.       catwoman
8933 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 02:35 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Having a turkish name is not the only thing:
you have to pass turkishness test in which you have to sing national anthem without a single mistake, depending on who interviews you, -if an islamist- you may be asked to recite three versus in arabic, -if it is a nationalist- you may be asked to sing 'cirpinirdi karadeniz'


You have to be f.... kidding me!

49.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 02:38 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting thehandsom:

Having a turkish name is not the only thing:
you have to pass turkishness test in which you have to sing national anthem without a single mistake, depending on who interviews you, -if an islamist- you may be asked to recite three versus in arabic, -if it is a nationalist- you may be asked to sing 'cirpinirdi karadeniz'


You have to be f.... kidding me!


You did not take it seriously..did you?

50.       catwoman
8933 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 02:40 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

You did not take it seriously..did you?


51.       teaschip
3870 posts
 29 Jan 2008 Tue 08:45 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Inankur:

Dears,
i really hope my colleagues from work made a stupid joke! maybe you know for sure ...
when becoming a turkish citizen someone NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS NAME? meaning to take turkish name?
not to be confusions: Andreea Inankur ... tamammm, Inankur i got married, took my husbands family name ...
I understood i need to change Andreea into turkish name, which WONT HAPPEN!!!
I prefer not taking the citizenship than changing my name ... its absurd!
Thanks!
ANDREEA Inankur for ever!


Having a turkish name is not the only thing:
you have to pass turkishness test in which you have to sing national anthem without a single mistake, depending on who interviews you, -if an islamist- you may be asked to recite three versus in arabic, -if it is a nationalist- you may be asked to sing 'cirpinirdi karadeniz'



This even made me laugh... lol But it wouldn't surprise me either if it was a law..

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