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How (not) to do it - Harams/helals
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 02:57 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting japrak: it is a nice idea to give some explanations about turkey and the culture goings on here to the foreigners yet should it be the first one? there are a lot of things to clearify and make the others life easier. on the other hand, this subject is only for the people who are interested in. is it necessary to make it public? anyway there is nothing wrong to give such information here yet not at the first step |
The first one? There are literally thousands of threads about different aspects of Turkish culture on this forum if you care to search for them  Why do you think this one should be kept private? Is it WRONG to talk about sex? Frankly I think its a lot healthier than the days when nothing was ever talked about - including rape and child abuse.
This was posted mostly for fun - I dont really believe it forms part of mainstream Turkish culture, more Islamic culture
I dont believe anyone would take this thread seriously - after all if Turkish men were such strict muslims, they would not have had sex with the european tourists who visit this site for translations eh? |
i didnt mean its wrong to talk about sex. but for example when you give piece of meat to a baby who is not mature or ready to digest, it would be dangerous for him. as for islam, or other important topics (some may not give that much importance but it is so for a lot of people too)if you start with advanced matters people who are not ready or mature enough to understand the logic there,it may seem silly or senseless. in my message i meant only about islam and such a private and detail part of it, if it was necesarry etc.
only after one submits that there is a God beyond everything, He is Allknowing and orders us with the best, beneficial things to us, then he may understand something about that information. otherwise he does not care about God's authority then ofcourse it wouldnt mean anything and make fun of islam and muslims.
anyway anyone can think in anyway they like yet i recommend to start from the basic not advanced matters.
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 03:10 pm |
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Quoting japrak: in my message i meant only about islam and such a private and detail part of it, if it was necesarry etc.
only after one submits that there is a God beyond everything, He is Allknowing and orders us with the best, beneficial things to us, then he may understand something about that information. otherwise he does not care about God's authority then ofcourse it wouldnt mean anything and make fun of islam and muslims. |
So you mean that we first should all convert to Islam (start believing in an islamic God) in order to learn more about it?  
Japrak, I don't understand what you were trying to say... I think we are ALL grown up enough to participate in an "advanced" conversation about Turkey and its culture.
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 03:58 pm |
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Quoting catwoman:
So you mean that we first should all convert to Islam (start believing in an islamic God) in order to learn more about it?
Japrak, I don't understand what you were trying to say... I think we are ALL grown up enough to participate in an "advanced" conversation about Turkey and its culture. |
ok let me say in another way. firstly i am talking about islamic knowledge not about the culture. then i cannot dare to say everyone should believe in God or convert to islam, if i had been interpreted in that way im sorry but i dont think believing in God is only the aspect of Islam but all of the religions.
secondly i mean, if a person wanna understand any subject (ex:maths, physics)he should start from the beginning. an elemantary school student is not able to understand the subjects of university, is he? but he cant say that those information are senseless.
as for islam, if a person wants to understand why people believe in this religion, why do the perform in that way, why people care God that much, firstly he should question what kind of God they are believing. what are the characteristics of Islamic God, is he Allknowing or not, is he the Absolute POwerful or not etc. i think this is the basic of islam that everyone should know IF ONLY THEY WANNA UNDERSTAND the religion, here i dont mean if you wanna understand islam you should convert yourself, this is not true, but i mean if you wanna understand why such rules muslims are under, why do they obey Him, firstly you should think or look from their perspective.learn how they think.
only after doing this preliminary preparation,people can question the rules or other detail pillars.
on the other hand this is not unique to islam, its same in all diciplines, if i wanna know about Judaism or Christianity firstly i search for what kind of God you are believing in than i form my ideas through it.
i wouldnt like to write that much long yet to clearify everything and not to be misunderstood..
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 04:18 pm |
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Neither religion nor sex are forbidden subjects.
There is always something sick however, when people attempt explaining their religion to others - starting with sex. An effort to explain one's understanding of sex in terms of religion is just as sickening.
Both subjects should be adressed with a certain degree of privacy, delicacy and finesse.
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 04:37 pm |
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Quoting japrak: ok let me say in another way. firstly i am talking about islamic knowledge not about the culture. then i cannot dare to say everyone should believe in God or convert to islam, if i had been interpreted in that way im sorry but i dont think believing in God is only the aspect of Islam but all of the religions.
secondly i mean, if a person wanna understand any subject (ex:maths, physics)he should start from the beginning. an elemantary school student is not able to understand the subjects of university, is he? but he cant say that those information are senseless.
as for islam, if a person wants to understand why people believe in this religion, why do the perform in that way, why people care God that much, firstly he should question what kind of God they are believing. what are the characteristics of Islamic God, is he Allknowing or not, is he the Absolute POwerful or not etc. i think this is the basic of islam that everyone should know IF ONLY THEY WANNA UNDERSTAND the religion, here i dont mean if you wanna understand islam you should convert yourself, this is not true, but i mean if you wanna understand why such rules muslims are under, why do they obey Him, firstly you should think or look from their perspective.learn how they think.
only after doing this preliminary preparation,people can question the rules or other detail pillars.
on the other hand this is not unique to islam, its same in all diciplines, if i wanna know about Judaism or Christianity firstly i search for what kind of God you are believing in than i form my ideas through it.
i wouldnt like to write that much long yet to clearify everything and not to be misunderstood.. |
Ok, thanks for clarifying the part about converting to islam. I see your point, thanks. 
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 05:23 pm |
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Sorry Japrak, but you can't have it both ways on this website. If people here want to quote parts of the Quran, lecture us on having respect for headscarfs, advise us which translations of the Quran to read, throw in references like "allah willing" into posts, give us endless lectures about ramadan, post information about bayram holidays, etc. etc. ....then you have have no right to complain when people discuss other aspects of your religion.
I am happy to stop talking about your religion...just as soon as YOU ALL DO
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 05:36 pm |
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Japrak has a point to start from the basics though
But Japrak, it is surely a misconception to think that people who do not believe, can only treat information in a 'making fun of'-style. I am not a believer in anything called Allah, the Lord, or whatsoever. And the reason I want to learn more about Islam, is NOT because I am seeking for converting, NOR because I want to make fun of a religion at all. I want to learn more, because it will create more understanding why people say what they say, and do what they do. That's all 
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 05:48 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Sorry Japrak, but you can't have it both ways on this website. If people here want to quote parts of the Quran, lecture us on having respect for headscarfs, advise us which translations of the Quran to read, throw in references like "allah willing" into posts, give us endless lectures about ramadan, post information about bayram holidays, etc. etc. ....then you have have no right to complain when people discuss other aspects of your religion.
I am happy to stop talking about your religion...just as soon as YOU ALL DO |
sorry Aenigma, I DIDN'T GET,what you want from Japark to do,i think s/he free to discuss anything here as everyone , i read all Japarak's posts,didn't see any complain,so what's wrong 
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 05:52 pm |
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Quoting elham: sorry Aenigma, I DIDN'T GET,what you want from Japark to do,i think s/he free to discuss anything here as everyone , i read all Japarak's posts,didn't see any complain,so what's wrong |
Maybe I read wrong then, but it seemed that she/he was complaining that we should not be discussing this topic
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 05:57 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting elham: sorry Aenigma, I DIDN'T GET,what you want from Japark to do,i think s/he free to discuss anything here as everyone , i read all Japarak's posts,didn't see any complain,so what's wrong |
Maybe I read wrong then, but it seemed that she/he was complaining that we should not be discussing this topic |
şimdi tamam
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 05:58 pm |
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Quoting libralady: I have the picture, the book open at page 3 (mostly 1 and 2 are introduction and preface ) young newly wed couple, checking the rules,
'uhmm can we do this? hang on, I can take your clothes off, but it must be dark. Where are the buttons',
'hang on I cant see the book now..........'
'turn to the next page, just a minute, I can't see, I must put the light on!'
'Don't put the light on I don't have any clothes on ................'
'Which page is spontaneity on?'
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I know u just wanted to have some fun, it is OK. But this kind of picture is impossible, u know. If they really care about islamic rules on sex, they would already know all the rules b4 marriage. And if they do not care, they would not read the book at the first night of their marriage but do whatever they want
As i said b4, i know ur intention was not to hurt anyone, but, please, when u use religious topics to have fun, just be careful. because some ppl who take the religion seriously may be hurt, and they are already. as we see...
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