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02 Feb 2008 Sat 07:30 pm |
organization in Izmir will add many more firsts to the 150 year history of BIE (Bureau International des Expositions).
Turkey is a secular country; which sets an example to the world through her majority Muslim population. It is the first time that such a city has been a candidate for EXPO. As three major religions have coexisted in Izmir in peace for centuries the city’s candidacy will offer a message of peace and tolerance allaying concerns brought about by the clash of cultures and religions.
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 07:48 pm |
Quoting Roswitha: As three major religions have coexisted in Izmir in peace for centuries the city’s candidacy will offer a message of peace and tolerance allaying concerns brought about by the clash of cultures and religions. |
Hehehe! Lets hope that they manage to ship out all of the culturally intolerant, racist, western hating Turkish nationalists if they win the honour of hosting it
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 08:28 pm |
Quoting Roswitha: As three major religions have coexisted in Izmir in peace for centuries
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oh, sounds too sweet.
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:07 pm |
Quoting Roswitha: organization in Izmir will add many more firsts to the 150 year history of BIE (Bureau International des Expositions).
Turkey is a secular country; which sets an example to the world through her majority Muslim population. It is the first time that such a city has been a candidate for EXPO. As three major religions have coexisted in Izmir in peace for centuries the city’s candidacy will offer a message of peace and tolerance allaying concerns brought about by the clash of cultures and religions.
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Roswitha, nice to see you expressing your opinions.
Now... "As three major religions have coexisted in Izmir in peace for centuries"
This is hilarious.... Can someone enlighten me please as to how Izmir became muslim after a couple of centuries of being christian? I am a bit sceptical that the three religions actualy coexisted there in parallel, I think it was more like they followed one another, you know... people saw the light...
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:16 pm |
I wanted to know what this event is about because I don't and I feel ignorant
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:18 pm |
Quoting elibrody: I wanted to know what this event is about because I don't and I feel ignorant |
google it or PM Ross
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:21 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting Roswitha: organization in Izmir will add many more firsts to the 150 year history of BIE (Bureau International des Expositions).
Turkey is a secular country; which sets an example to the world through her majority Muslim population. It is the first time that such a city has been a candidate for EXPO. As three major religions have coexisted in Izmir in peace for centuries the city’s candidacy will offer a message of peace and tolerance allaying concerns brought about by the clash of cultures and religions.
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Roswitha, nice to see you expressing your opinions.
Now... "As three major religions have coexisted in Izmir in peace for centuries"
This is hilarious.... Can someone enlighten me please as to how Izmir became muslim after a couple of centuries of being christian? I am a bit sceptical that the three religions actualy coexisted there in parallel, I think it was more like they followed one another, you know... people saw the light... |
I think you are a bit wrong on that catwoman.
all religions coexisted peacefully until 19 century. Ok islam was the ruler's religion, but they did live together..more peacfully than they lived in europe at the time..
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Izmir.html
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:25 pm |
What an eye opener, thanks, the handsom(e)!
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:26 pm |
Quoting thehandsom: I think you are a bit wrong on that catwoman.
all religions coexisted peacefully until 19 century. Ok islam was the ruler's religion, but they did live together..more peacfully than they lived in europe at the time..
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Izmir.html |
Ok, I don't have time to read more about it, BUT from what I know, whenever muslims coexisted peacefully with other religions, the others were considered "dimmis", lower people who had to pay extra taxes... and such stuff.
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:34 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: I think you are a bit wrong on that catwoman.
all religions coexisted peacefully until 19 century. Ok islam was the ruler's religion, but they did live together..more peacfully than they lived in europe at the time..
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Izmir.html |
Ok, I don't have time to read more about it, BUT from what I know, whenever muslims coexisted peacefully with other religions, the others were considered "dimmis", lower people who had to pay extra taxes... and such stuff. |
I was referring to Ottomans than muslims generically.
I am not sure they were treated as lower class all the time..
They had their own religious leaders, sheria was not applied to them and from time to time muslim population was unhappy because of their status.
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:35 pm |
so what happened to all the christians who supposedly coexisted peacefully in izmir?
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:37 pm |
Quoting thehandsom: and from time to time muslim population was unhappy because of their status. |
therefore they often reduced their numbers along with their status.
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:40 pm |
Quoting catwoman: so what happened to all the christians who supposedly coexisted peacefully in izmir? |
hey hey..
I knew that question will come.
I already said in the begining 'they coexisted peacefully until 19 century'..
And then came the nationalism and racism
Not only to ottomans but to entire europe.
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:47 pm |
Quoting thehandsom: Quoting catwoman: so what happened to all the christians who supposedly coexisted peacefully in izmir? |
hey hey..
I knew that question will come.
I already said in the begining 'they coexisted peacefully until 19 century'..
And then came the nationalism and racism
Not only to ottomans but to entire europe. |
This was the bare result of French Revolution and Industrial Revolution... As much as the technology and communication skill improves the bad and evil thoughts seperate more easily...
We have a song very old song says:
The rifle was found and the honesty got broken...
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:47 pm |
Quoting thehandsom: Quoting catwoman: so what happened to all the christians who supposedly coexisted peacefully in izmir? |
hey hey..
I knew that question will come.
I already said in the begining 'they coexisted peacefully until 19 century'..
And then came the nationalism and racism
Not only to ottomans but to entire europe. |
well, lets say, there was no islamization took place in turkey until nationalism came in XIX?
the vast christian majority once lived in the territory of turkey before turks invaded were systematically immgrating to where? to the moon?
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:48 pm |
Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting catwoman: so what happened to all the christians who supposedly coexisted peacefully in izmir? |
hey hey..
I knew that question will come.
I already said in the begining 'they coexisted peacefully until 19 century'..
And then came the nationalism and racism
Not only to ottomans but to entire europe. |
This was the bare result of French Revolution and Industrial Revolution... As much as the technology and communication skill improves the bad and evil thoughts seperate more easily...
We have a song very old song says:
The rifle was found and the honesty got broken...
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oh, yeah, it was french's fault!
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 09:58 pm |
Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting catwoman: so what happened to all the christians who supposedly coexisted peacefully in izmir? |
hey hey..
I knew that question will come.
I already said in the begining 'they coexisted peacefully until 19 century'..
And then came the nationalism and racism
Not only to ottomans but to entire europe. |
well, lets say, there was no islamization took place in turkey until nationalism came in XIX?
the vast christian majority once lived in the territory of turkey before turks invaded were systematically immgrating to where? to the moon? |
Most of them stayed where they were living I believe.
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 10:21 pm |
Quoting thehandsom:
Most of them stayed where they were living I believe. |
i know some turks who call themselves turks, but in fact they come from armenian or greek families. they say they were christians a few centuries ago, but changed their religions and names in order to survive.
a peaceful co-existance
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 10:42 pm |
Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting thehandsom:
Most of them stayed where they were living I believe. |
i know some turks who call themselves turks, but in fact they come from armenian or greek families. they say they were christians a few centuries ago, but changed their religions and names in order to survive.
a peaceful co-existance  |
'they were christians a few centuries ago' means I was rigth about that 'they coexisted happily until 19 century'.
Thanks for the confirmation anway.
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02 Feb 2008 Sat 11:07 pm |
Muslims were responsible to the "ulema" for taxes and legal matters. Only members of the Muslim millet could bear arms (including the forcibly converted janissaries), and were exempt from some taxes. Balkan Orthodox Christians (Greeks and Slavs combined at first) were under the authority of the Patriarch of Constantinople. In case of confict, Islamic law and state practice took precedence but otherwise the laws and institutions of the Orthodox millet remained in force (largely unchanged from local customs before the conquest). Because so much administrative, fiscal and legal business took place through the millet, the Orthodox church acted as a "state within a state." Jews were administered through the chief rabbi in Istanbul, both the Sephardic Jews who came to the Eastern Mediterranean from Spain and the Ashkenazi Jews who were expelled from Central Europe. Finally, various small Christian minorities like the Armenians were part of a hierarchy under the Gregorian archbishop of Bursa.
2) Place of residence also affected the rights of the common people. Peasants could not leave their land and move into cities, because the Turks feared that the countryside would be depopulated. City life was attractive because urban dwellers were exempt from certain taxes and labor dues, and from auxiliary military duties (service as wagon-drivers, for example). Peasants paid taxes in kind: about a tenth of their produce went to their timariot landlord. Much of the rest of their crop was purchased by the state at a low price to feed the urban poor. Villages were liable for some duties as a community, including a small cash rent for use of the sultan's land, and had to contribute labor to work the timariot's estate (Western European peasants were liable for similar but larger burdens at this time). Mountain areas unsuited for agriculture were granted to nomadic tribes who paid taxes in kind: butter, yogurt, oil, cheese and other foods needed to feed the cities or the army.
3) In the cities, subjects were grouped according to their occupations. Craftsmen were members of guilds, which often had monopoly control of production, for example of salt or candles. Guilds regulated their own industries and taxed themselves to raise money for social welfare functions for their members. Guild representatives sat as a city council to advise the "kadi" or mayor. Fire departments, hospitals and other city services were supported by tax-exempt endowed foundations (vakf).
This was the idealized Ottoman system. Why did the Ottoman state decline? There were limits to what the principles of dynasty, Islam and military conquest could achieve. When the state passed beyond those limits, those same principles acted together again but instead created a cycle of failure.
The tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims also led to hostility and contempt for Christian European culture. Until 1600, Ottoman medical, mathematical and military science was as good as that of the West but after 1600 advances in science that originated outside the Muslim world were rejected. The Ottomans therefore failed to keep up in science, technology, metallurgy, navigation and other fields. No printing press, for example, was established in Turkey until 1727. Backwardness had military consequences and after 1650 Turkey's wars nearly all ended in defeat.
http://www.lib.msu.edu/sowards/balkan/lecture3.html
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 12:52 am |
Quoting femme_fatal: oh, yeah, it was french's fault!  |
It was because of alll those Bed French people, they made all americans and europeans bed aswell...
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 01:04 am |
Quoting SuiGeneris: It was because of alll those Bed French people, they made all americans and europeans bed aswell...  |
And they made all the Turkish bed at the end
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 03:59 pm |
the theme will be “New routes to a better worldâ€...so people you really have to fight and about this one!!??
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 04:02 pm |
I thought it was "Health for All"
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 04:03 pm |
Hehe I googled and apparently it is BOTH
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 04:15 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Hehe I googled and apparently it is BOTH  |
Quoting AEnigma III: I thought it was "Health for All"  |
yea, but conclusion is the same!
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 04:23 pm |
Quoting lalisia: yea, but conclusion is the same! |
Well yeah! They can dress it up how they like, but at the end of the day its a trade exhibition
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 04:35 pm |
You got it all wrong guys !
I have already told you that Sarkozy is actually a Turkish agent from Istanbul...Never mind how stupid he looks in public, it is all part of a calculated plan.
You now know who made everybody bed, including the French. Dont tell anybody else )))))))))))))
COME AND BUY YOUR TURBANS FROM EXPO, IN IZMIR !
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 07:50 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Roswitha: As three major religions have coexisted in Izmir in peace for centuries the city’s candidacy will offer a message of peace and tolerance allaying concerns brought about by the clash of cultures and religions. |
Hehehe! Lets hope that they manage to ship out all of the culturally intolerant, racist, western hating Turkish nationalists if they win the honour of hosting it  |
Will they be serving any bacon?
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 07:57 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Roswitha: As three major religions have coexisted in Izmir in peace for centuries the city’s candidacy will offer a message of peace and tolerance allaying concerns brought about by the clash of cultures and religions. |
Hehehe! Lets hope that they manage to ship out all of the culturally intolerant, racist, western hating Turkish nationalists if they win the honour of hosting it  |
I shall be there, with my fierce moustache...
Be my guest.
PS for AEnigma: did you see the kind of honorable mentions I get in other threads?
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 08:00 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: I shall be there, with my fierce moustache...
Be my guest.
PS for AEnigma: did you see the kind of honorable mentions I get in other threads? |
What mentions?
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 08:08 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AlphaF: I shall be there, with my fierce moustache...
Be my guest.
PS for AEnigma: did you see the kind of honorable mentions I get in other threads? |
What mentions?  |
MAN OF GREAT WISDOM
Babiali Ambassador
My Lord
That is how I have been adressed today !
I can no longer be modest !
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 08:15 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: MAN OF GREAT WISDOM
Babiali Ambassador
My Lord
That is how I have been adressed today !
I can no longer be modest ! |
At last!!!!!!!!!!!
You FINALLY are getting the respect you deserve pdr!
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 08:19 pm |
You can still call me "Dear Partner"....no problem !
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