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Heaven or Hell?
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 05:00 pm |
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This is a completely hypothetical question.
Would you rather:
A) go to hell for being too tolerant of peoples choices? (ie...not judging people because of their choices)
B) go to heaven because you followed all of your religious teachings and rules?
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 05:08 pm |
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who says one would go to hell becase of tolerating people's preferences? 
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 05:11 pm |
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Quoting incişka: who says one would go to hell becase of tolerating people's preferences? |
It's a hypothetical question!! If you HAD to follow the rules of a rigid religion in order to get into heaven....would you do it? Or would you choose to be more tolerant and kinder to your fellow man? If you follow any of the 3 main monotheistic religions your doctrines can be somewhat intolerant of other people. Personally, I would rather err on the side of humanity. (but I don't think that will necessarily put me in Hell)
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 05:27 pm |
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heel and heaven just life already what we having,so i think no need to delay hell or heaven to other life
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:10 pm |
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i would follow religious rules if i believed god is so stupid that he asks people to obey some rules to get into heaven
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:13 pm |
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Quoting ciko: i would follow religious rules if i believed god is so stupid that he asks people to obey some rules to get into heaven |
I love your answer ciko....I think I feel the same way. I don't think following rules are that important....I don't believe it is so black and white. Being a compassionate and tolerant to your fellow humans is first and foremost. Or course this doesn't mean you have to agree with everyone!!
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:18 pm |
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could you precise the religious rules?
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:21 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i would follow religious rules if i believed god is so stupid that he asks people to obey some rules to get into heaven |
I love your answer ciko....I think I feel the same way. I don't think following rules are that important....I don't believe it is so black and white. Being a compassionate and tolerant to your fellow humans is first and foremost. Or course this doesn't mean you have to agree with everyone!! |
and also i am too lazy to obey all those rules as a muslim...grrrrrrr the list is neverending praying 5 times a day, to fast in ramadan, no lie, no gossip blah blah
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:22 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: could you precise the religious rules? |
rules like " do not get in a swimming pool with your handsom unless you are covered"
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:26 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: i would follow religious rules if i believed god is so stupid that he asks people to obey some rules to get into heaven |
I love your answer ciko....I think I feel the same way. I don't think following rules are that important....I don't believe it is so black and white. Being a compassionate and tolerant to your fellow humans is first and foremost. Or course this doesn't mean you have to agree with everyone!! |
and also i am too lazy to obey all those rules as a muslim...grrrrrrr the list is neverending praying 5 times a day, to fast in ramadan, no lie, no gossip blah blah |
Yes, we have similar rules as a Catholic....I just do my best and hope it all turns out well!! 
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:31 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth:
Yes, we have similar rules as a Catholic....I just do my best and hope it all turns out well!! |
gosh, lis, dont avoid me, share with me
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:32 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Quoting femme_fatal: could you precise the religious rules? |
rules like " do not get in a swimming pool with your handsom unless you are covered" |
didnt know this rule applies on you
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:15 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Personally, I would rather err on the side of humanity. (but I don't think that will necessarily put me in Hell) |
That was what i meant. There must always be another choice like c) none of the above
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:37 pm |
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As far as I remember you're an Agnostic Aenigma (AA ). Doesn't it mean that you do allow the thought that there might be something, it's just beyond our powers of reason to understand or know it? So, perhaps there is hell and heaven?
I, on the other hand, am an Atheist so I could have said that about people believing in hell and heaven being like children raised by the Stick and Carrot method :-S
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:40 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: As far as I remember you're an Agnostic Aenigma (AA ). Doesn't it mean that you do allow the thought that there might be something, it's just beyond our powers of reason to understand or know it? So, perhaps there is hell and heaven?
I, on the other hand, am an Atheist so I could have said that about people believing in hell and heaven being like children raised by the Stick and Carrot method :-S |
Sorry I added to my post before I read this, which kind of explains more fully. Bu arada....the more I learn about religions, the more I find myself on the way to atheism 
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:45 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: the more I learn about religions, the more I find myself on the way to atheism |
That's the only right way there is
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:54 pm |
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Just because you don't believe in EVERY rule of your religion does not mean that you leave the religion or stop believing in God. I have left room in my mind for HUMAN error in interpreting the concept of God, good, evil, heaven and hell. That doesn't mean that I question his/her exsistance. I worship in the manner I feel comfortable...the church I grew up in...that doesn't mean I believe in every single word.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:04 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Elisabeth, being agnostic does not mean you stop believing in God - only religion. If you read my post again, you will understand. And YES SORRY - if you ignore rules of your religion, you are becoming agnostic |
Its not so black and white, AEnigma, as I am sure you know. There are concepts in the bible that are cruel and harsh...but for the most part, Christianity has grown and developed over time and most of us realize that these are stories and parables. The rules were created by man (MEN). I don't feel the need to confine my thoughts, feelings and beliefs to parameters of set of rules....but I am not agnostic. There is no doubt in my mind of God's exsistance nor is there any doubt that evil souls are tormented in the afterlife and vice versa. Am I misunderstanding the concept of being agnostic....I thought you just had trouble committing to Atheism because somewhere in your mind you fear going to hell.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:33 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: This is a completely hypothetical question.
Would you rather:
A) go to hell for being too tolerant of peoples choices? (ie...not judging people because of their choices)
B) go to heaven because you followed all of your religious teachings and rules? |
This is exactly the kind of question that religious people should ask themselves. If you are a believing person, you are still left to use your own judgment and reason in the complexities of everyday life. I think that religious teachings should give some kind of guidance, but they can never reflect the intricacies of various situations. You may believe that the scriptures are words of God, but they are infiltrated by the mind of a human (Mohammed, Apostles), so it should be self understood that they are both spiritual AND historical writings. What I mean by that is that the writers were probably trying to convey the message to the people in their times, so not everything is applicable these days any more. At least that's what I believe and I think that's what most Christians believe these days, which is also what makes them so much more progressive then the radical Muslims. Of course, muslim countries are oppressive dictatorships, so people can't think freely, unlike the christian countries currently... Anyways...
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:46 pm |
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EXACTLY!!
I would like to add that many people are turned off to religion by the "rules". I think free thought and religious thought can coexist without having to reject the idea of God. I know other people feel differently but it makes sense to me.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:50 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: EXACTLY!!
I would like to add that many people are turned off to religion by the "rules". I think free thought and religious thought can coexist without having to reject the idea of God. I know other people feel differently but it makes sense to me. |
Exactly!!! Which makes you agnostic
You cannot pretend you are a half-Christian - if you are Roman Catholic you have to follow the rules - that is WHAT YOUR RELIGION ASKS!!!
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:53 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: EXACTLY!!
I would like to add that many people are turned off to religion by the "rules". I think free thought and religious thought can coexist without having to reject the idea of God. I know other people feel differently but it makes sense to me. |
Exactly!!! Which makes you agnostic
You cannot pretend you are a half-Christian - if you are Roman Catholic you have to follow the rules - that is WHAT YOUR RELIGION ASKS!!! |
There is no Catholic that lives by the rules completely. This is an acknowledged fact.....I am Catholic, AEnigma. Not perfect....But Catholic just the same.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:54 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: EXACTLY!!
I would like to add that many people are turned off to religion by the "rules". I think free thought and religious thought can coexist without having to reject the idea of God. I know other people feel differently but it makes sense to me. |
I definitely agree with you. It can coexist, I don't think that faith in God has to be irrational. But I don't think that you can take literally what is said in the books.... I think that would only show a lack of imagination and simplistic thinking. For example, why are people SOOOO afraid of homosexuality? What is wrong with two men or two women loving each other romantically? That is again a lack of free thought and imagination... IMHO.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:56 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Exactly!!! Which makes you agnostic
You cannot pretend you are a half-Christian - if you are Roman Catholic you have to follow the rules - that is WHAT YOUR RELIGION ASKS!!! |
Who said that? Some priest? Some politician? 
Religion is supposed to be a relationship between you and God, so no - that doesn't include following the institution's "interpretation" and rules.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:57 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Exactly!!! Which makes you agnostic
You cannot pretend you are a half-Christian - if you are Roman Catholic you have to follow the rules - that is WHAT YOUR RELIGION ASKS!!! |
Who said that? Some priest? Some politician?
Religion is supposed to be a relationship between you and God, so no - that doesn't include following the institution's "interpretation" and rules. |
Try telling that to your pope
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:58 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Who said that? Some priest? Some politician?
Religion is supposed to be a relationship between you and God, so no - that doesn't include following the institution's "interpretation" and rules. |
So you are catholic Cat? What is your view on the Vatican? How does it fit in with your beliefs? 
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:00 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: There is no Catholic that lives by the rules completely. This is an acknowledged fact.....I am Catholic, AEnigma. Not perfect....But Catholic just the same. |
Why do you think you're not perfect? Maybe you are, but only YOU know if you are or not. I really hate those priests who make people feel like you are never good enough, you're always a sinner! As one of the stories go.... "if you're without a sin, throw the stone", which means - DON'T JUDGE!!!
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:00 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Elisabeth: EXACTLY!!
I would like to add that many people are turned off to religion by the "rules". I think free thought and religious thought can coexist without having to reject the idea of God. I know other people feel differently but it makes sense to me. |
I definitely agree with you. It can coexist, I don't think that faith in God has to be irrational. But I don't think that you can take literally what is said in the books.... I think that would only show a lack of imagination and simplistic thinking. For example, why are people SOOOO afraid of homosexuality? What is wrong with two men or two women loving each other romantically? That is again a lack of free thought and imagination... IMHO. |
Fear of homosexuality is a fundamental lack of understanding that human beings would have had 2000 years ago. It went against the social norms and did not perpetuate the continuance of the human race. Back then, it was essential that people have children to ensure survival of farms, family trade...ect...I think religions saw the lack of having children as a bad thing...therefore evil...and against God. Primative thinking. I don't think it has much to do with God.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:01 pm |
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Primative thinking indeed. So why does your religion not support homosexuality or same sex marriages?
Or is it best when confined to priests?
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:02 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: So you are catholic Cat? What is your view on the Vatican? How does it fit in with your beliefs? |
I don't care about the Vatican, as I said, I think that religion is a PRIVATE matter, a personal relationship, so obviously I don't think that Vatican should be important in anyone's lives. I have a problem with ALL hierarchies, and political institutions!
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:03 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: So you are catholic Cat? What is your view on the Vatican? How does it fit in with your beliefs? |
I don't care about the Vatican, as I said, I think that religion is a PRIVATE matter, a personal relationship, so obviously I don't think that Vatican should be important in anyone's lives. I have a problem with ALL hierarchies, and political institutions! |
So you are NOT a catholic. You just think you are because of your culture
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:05 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: So you are NOT a catholic. You just think you are because of your culture |
Thanks for telling me who I am Aenigma!!! Please, stop putting people in boxes, ok?
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:06 pm |
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I am not trying to provoke an argument, but merely prove the point that you say you are "religious" but in fact you dont even believe in even the basics of your religion. So why say you are religious?
You can believe in God, without belonging to any religion, which after all, is just a man made hypocracy
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:10 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Primative thinking indeed. So why does your religion not support homosexuality or same sex marriages?
Or is it best when confined to priests? |
AEnigma, to be religious is an act of faith. I can't explain why I feel the way I do...I believe because it feels right. It's not rational and I am not arguing the rationality of it. I just don't appreciate being called a simpleton because I have a belief in something that you don't.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:11 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I am not trying to provoke an argument, but merely prove the point that you say you are "religious" but in fact you dont even believe in even the basics of your religion. So why say you are religious?
You can believe in God, without belonging to any religion |
Where did I say that I'm religious? You are putting words in my mouth cnm. 
Of course you can be a Catholic without following everything some priest says, even if he happens to be the pope. It's the same hierarchical mentality - that someone's always above you who "knows things better". In fact that's not true. If you're both people, you can both think for yourselves and not have to listen to anyone "just because he's the pope".
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:14 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: I just don't appreciate being called a simpleton because I have a belief in something that you don't.
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I am not calling you a simpleton, and who says I do not have a belief in God? If you are happy to question other religions, then why can I not question yours?
Shall I call myself a muslim, even though I dont actually follow any of the teachings in the Quran (except the ones that are convenient to me?).
Shall I call myself a catholic, even though I dont actually follow any of the teachings in the Bible or all its many other rictuals which the Bible actually condemns!!(except the ones that are convenient to me?)
You are confusing your belief in God with man-made laws written hundreds of years after Christ died, that is all.
Anyway, sorry, I just hate this kind of hyprocracy.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:16 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I am not trying to provoke an argument, but merely prove the point that you say you are "religious" but in fact you dont even believe in even the basics of your religion. So why say you are religious?
You can believe in God, without belonging to any religion, which after all, is just a man made hypocracy |
It's a GREAT discussion! PLEASE lets argue!!!!
I do believe in the BASICS of my religion....its the details I have some problems with. I do believe in God and want to worship/be thankful to him/her....that's why I go to church. I go to Catholic church because it feels good to me....thats all
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:17 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting AEnigma III: I am not trying to provoke an argument, but merely prove the point that you say you are "religious" but in fact you dont even believe in even the basics of your religion. So why say you are religious?
You can believe in God, without belonging to any religion, which after all, is just a man made hypocracy |
It's a GREAT discussion! PLEASE lets argue!!!!
I do believe in the BASICS of my religion....its the details I have some problems with. I do believe in God and want to worship/be thankful to him/her....that's why I go to church. I go to Catholic church because it feels good to me....thats all |
There is nothing in the bible that says you should go to Church. In fact, the bible says you should pray quietly and privately, not publically. There is nothing in the bible that says you should have a Vatican or a Pope. In fact, the bible says you should have no icons and should talk directly to God.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:20 pm |
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You're absolutely right, but I still enjoy going to mass. It gives me a strong feeling of community to be with all those people...It is a ritual I truly enjoy and that is why I go.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:25 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: There is nothing in the bible that says you should go to Church. In fact, the bible says you should pray quietly and privately, not publically. There is nothing in the bible that says you should have a Vatican or a Pope. In fact, the bible says you should have no icons and should talk directly to God.
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So you are actually contradicting what you said earlier that if somebody doesn't agree or follow the Vatican, they don't qualify as Catholics. Maybe I misunderstood you... but that's what it looks like
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:26 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: You're absolutely right, but I still enjoy going to mass. It gives me a strong feeling of community to be with all those people...It is a ritual I truly enjoy and that is why I go. |
Yes, I think it can be a great way to be with other people... but also, a great way to use this as a manipulation field... you must be careful, and always think critically, that's all
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:27 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: There is nothing in the bible that says you should go to Church. In fact, the bible says you should pray quietly and privately, not publically. There is nothing in the bible that says you should have a Vatican or a Pope. In fact, the bible says you should have no icons and should talk directly to God.
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So you are actually contradicting what you said earlier that if somebody doesn't agree or follow the Vatican, they don't qualify as Catholics. Maybe I misunderstood you... but that's what it looks like |
No I am not. It is not only Roman Catholics who use the bible However, it is only Roman Catholics who have the riches of the Vatican (while people starve) and a Pope
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:34 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: That's why they shouldn't be treated like they're some kind of divine intervention |
So are you saying 'DOWN WITH VATICAN AND POPE' cat?
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:35 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Bu arada....the more I learn about religions, the more I find myself on the way to atheism |
 
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:36 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: By the way, I am not a Catholic! (I'm a scientologist  ) |
Will you be picked up by a spaceship piloted by L. Ron Hubbard any time soon?
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:42 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting catwoman: By the way, I am not a Catholic! (I'm a scientologist ) |
Will you be picked up by a spaceship piloted by L. Ron Hubbard any time soon? |
No more bizarre than the immaculate conception
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:44 pm |
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Is this conversation by any chance about religion...???? :-S
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:48 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Is this conversation by any chance about religion...???? :-S |
Unless "Heaven and Hell" is a new cartoon about two cute puppies.....
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:50 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Unless "Heaven and Hell" is a new cartoon about two cute puppies..... |
No cartoons please! 
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:41 pm |
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girls,
i loved your discussion!
you are smart, very smart. smarter than the monks! 
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:43 pm |
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I may never forgive you for bringing up the monks AGAIN!! 
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15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:13 pm |
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will i go to hell if i dont go to mosque for friday prayer?
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15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:15 pm |
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Quoting ciko: will i go to hell if i dont go to mosque for friday prayer? |
Yes... the hell will be in your head afterwards..."will I go to hell?" "will I go to hell"
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15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:18 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: will i go to hell if i dont go to mosque for friday prayer? |
Yes... the hell will be in your head afterwards..."will I go to hell?" "will I go to hell" |
oh f.cking hell!!! ii think i have to go to the mosque now...bye
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 02:31 am |
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Anlamadım!
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 02:49 am |
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The only thing i agree with is AEnigma's
İf you dont follow your religion's rules,why do you believe in it ?!
You can always believe in God only,and follow what ever rules it suits you.
Beliving in religion means believing in its rules,if you dont,simply then you dont believe in it!
Or else there would be no different between İslam,Christianity,and Judaism if we all can take our picks and still be believers !
İ mean,all 3 religions based on the idea there is a God,and we believe in HİM.
What is different is our rules...take this out,what would be left ?!!!
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:01 am |
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Hmmmm,i knew i am wise somehow lol
As for me,İm Muslim,and i obay my religion's rules,or at least i try!
And i have no problem of being tolerant too because 'Lakom Dinakom ve Lya Dini'
'You have your believes and i have mine'
That is one of the rules too,so i see no problem !
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 10:22 am |
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Quoting CANLI:
Anlamadım! |
of course canim, didn't understand, because every thing write here is nonsense,the blame only for whom named themselves Muslim not for otheres. :-S
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 11:58 am |
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Quoting elham: Quoting CANLI:
Anlamadım! |
of course canim, didn't understand, because every thing write here is nonsense,the blame only for whom named themselves Muslim not for otheres. :-S |
I dont think you read this thread Elham, or you would not have made that statement.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 01:32 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: EXACTLY!!
I would like to add that many people are turned off to religion by the "rules". I think free thought and religious thought can coexist without having to reject the idea of God. I know other people feel differently but it makes sense to me. |
Exactly!!! Which makes you agnostic
You cannot pretend you are a half-Christian - if you are Roman Catholic you have to follow the rules - that is WHAT YOUR RELIGION ASKS!!! |
There is no Catholic that lives by the rules completely. This is an acknowledged fact.....I am Catholic, AEnigma. Not perfect....But Catholic just the same. |
And remember the words of the Lord's Prayer. Actually that may have been a better choice than the Psalmquoted on Roswitha's thread.
The Nicene Creed is interesting too.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 02:32 pm |
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Quoting peace train: And remember the words of the Lord's Prayer. Actually that may have been a better choice than the Psalmquoted on Roswitha's thread.
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A better choice for YOU? Why were you expecting me to quote a psalm from YOUR religion?
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:04 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: And remember the words of the Lord's Prayer. Actually that may have been a better choice than the Psalmquoted on Roswitha's thread.
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A better choice for YOU? Why were you expecting me to quote a psalm from YOUR religion? |
See Peace Train banging her head against a brick wall.
Nooooooooooooooooooo When you posted Psalm 137 I thought you were quoting a well known passage as an example, just as Roswitha had quoted a well known ayat. I didn't know if it was a Psalm that was often recited, so I was asking you GENUINELY. i referred to the Lord's Prayer because it was a better example as I thought Psalm 137 may not be often recited. I'm still non the wiser because you didn't answer my question. Sinply, I did not want to suggest you should have used a very often recited passage if that is what you had done in recitin 137 . . . in the ebd I risked it . . . couldn't be bothered to google and you didn't answer.
Having said all of that, my other point about your motive for posting Psalm 137 in particular, is still what I think.
Wonder if this thread will be locked too.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:07 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: And remember the words of the Lord's Prayer. Actually that may have been a better choice than the Psalmquoted on Roswitha's thread.
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A better choice for YOU? Why were you expecting me to quote a psalm from YOUR religion? |
See Peace Train banging her head against a brick wall.
Nooooooooooooooooooo When you posted Psalm 137 I thought you were quoting a well known passage as an example, just as Roswitha had quoted a well known ayat. I didn't know if it was a Psalm that was often recited, so I was asking you GENUINELY. i referred to the Lord's Prayer because it was a better example as I thought Psalm 137 may not be often recited. I'm still non the wiser because you didn't answer my question. Sinply, I did not want to suggest you should have used a very often recited passage if that is what you had done in recitin 137 . . . in the ebd I risked it . . . couldn't be bothered to google and you didn't answer.
Having said all of that, my other point about your motive for posting Psalm 137 in particular, is still what I think.
Wonder if this thread will be locked too.
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Hi PC - I actually answered your question ! did you not see it?
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:18 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: And remember the words of the Lord's Prayer. Actually that may have been a better choice than the Psalmquoted on Roswitha's thread.
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A better choice for YOU? Why were you expecting me to quote a psalm from YOUR religion? |
See Peace Train banging her head against a brick wall.
Nooooooooooooooooooo When you posted Psalm 137 I thought you were quoting a well known passage as an example, just as Roswitha had quoted a well known ayat. I didn't know if it was a Psalm that was often recited, so I was asking you GENUINELY. i referred to the Lord's Prayer because it was a better example as I thought Psalm 137 may not be often recited. I'm still non the wiser because you didn't answer my question. Sinply, I did not want to suggest you should have used a very often recited passage if that is what you had done in recitin 137 . . . in the ebd I risked it . . . couldn't be bothered to google and you didn't answer.
Having said all of that, my other point about your motive for posting Psalm 137 in particular, is still what I think.
Wonder if this thread will be locked too.
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Will you two ever start communicating or are you enjoying proving to one another who will have the last word? This refers to BOTH of you!
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:20 pm |
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Sorry ...ermmm.... mummy? :-S
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:25 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: Quoting peace train: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: And remember the words of the Lord's Prayer. Actually that may have been a better choice than the Psalmquoted on Roswitha's thread.
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A better choice for YOU? Why were you expecting me to quote a psalm from YOUR religion? |
See Peace Train banging her head against a brick wall.
Nooooooooooooooooooo When you posted Psalm 137 I thought you were quoting a well known passage as an example, just as Roswitha had quoted a well known ayat. I didn't know if it was a Psalm that was often recited, so I was asking you GENUINELY. i referred to the Lord's Prayer because it was a better example as I thought Psalm 137 may not be often recited. I'm still non the wiser because you didn't answer my question. Sinply, I did not want to suggest you should have used a very often recited passage if that is what you had done in recitin 137 . . . in the ebd I risked it . . . couldn't be bothered to google and you didn't answer.
Having said all of that, my other point about your motive for posting Psalm 137 in particular, is still what I think.
Wonder if this thread will be locked too.
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Hi PC - I actually answered your question ! did you not see it? |
I saw the refernce to Psalm 23 and answered that I already knew that by heart. It is very well known, as is ayat Kursi, so would have been a good example. I may not have read your post correctly, I didn't see if you mentioned 137 was or wasn't well known for being recited. I'll go back and re read. Thanks.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:31 pm |
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I saw the refernce to Psalm 23 and answered that I already knew that by heart. It is very well known, as is ayat Kursi, so would have been a good example. I may not have read your post correctly, I didn't see if you mentioned 137 was or wasn't well known for being recited. I'll go back and re read. Thanks. |
Actually, I remember your reply ! Psalm 137 is not as often recited as Psalm 23, I suppose. But different psalms and verses of the Bible are recited by different people.... so for someone else 137 may be often referred toç On the whole though, I would say Psalm 23 is one of the most famous. I also love Psalm 139.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:32 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: And remember the words of the Lord's Prayer. Actually that may have been a better choice than the Psalmquoted on Roswitha's thread.
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A better choice for YOU? Why were you expecting me to quote a psalm from YOUR religion? |
See Peace Train banging her head against a brick wall.
Nooooooooooooooooooo When you posted Psalm 137 I thought you were quoting a well known passage as an example, just as Roswitha had quoted a well known ayat. I didn't know if it was a Psalm that was often recited, so I was asking you GENUINELY. i referred to the Lord's Prayer because it was a better example as I thought Psalm 137 may not be often recited. I'm still non the wiser because you didn't answer my question. Sinply, I did not want to suggest you should have used a very often recited passage if that is what you had done in recitin 137 . . . in the ebd I risked it . . . couldn't be bothered to google and you didn't answer.
Having said all of that, my other point about your motive for posting Psalm 137 in particular, is still what I think.
Wonder if this thread will be locked too.
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Will you two ever start communicating or are you enjoying proving to one another who will have the last word? This refers to BOTH of you! |
AEnigma asked me a question, so I answered it. Natural conclusion to the discussion
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 03:36 pm |
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I saw the refernce to Psalm 23 and answered that I already knew that by heart. It is very well known, as is ayat Kursi, so would have been a good example. I may not have read your post correctly, I didn't see if you mentioned 137 was or wasn't well known for being recited. I'll go back and re read. Thanks. |
Actually, I remember your reply ! Psalm 137 is not as often recited as Psalm 23, I suppose. But different psalms and verses of the Bible are recited by different people.... so for someone else 137 may be often referred toç On the whole though, I would say Psalm 23 is one of the most famous. I also love Psalm 139. |
You are right about Psalm 23 and it often recited at funerals. It has also been made a Hymn and is ogten sung in churches. I will look at 139
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:15 pm |
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Quoting peace train: AEnigma asked me a question, so I answered it. Natural conclusion to the discussion |
Actually you didn't
The psalm I quoted is very well known to Jews. Why should I care if it is lesser known in your religion?
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:52 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: AEnigma asked me a question, so I answered it. Natural conclusion to the discussion |
Actually you didn't
The psalm I quoted is very well known to Jews. Why should I care if it is lesser known in your religion? |
So now I know it is a very popular with Jews and it is also Psalm 137 in the Christian Bible. Thank you
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 04:54 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: AEnigma asked me a question, so I answered it. Natural conclusion to the discussion |
Actually you didn't
The psalm I quoted is very well known to Jews. Why should I care if it is lesser known in your religion? |
So now I know it is a very popular with Jews and it is also Psalm 137 in the Christian Bible. Thank you |
I am afraid to break it to you but you share your bible with quite a few religions - old testament and new
What you know as the "christian" old testament is also the Hebrew Bible (Koren Tanakh) - I think all this was clearly explained on the original thread
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 05:15 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: AEnigma asked me a question, so I answered it. Natural conclusion to the discussion |
Actually you didn't
The psalm I quoted is very well known to Jews. Why should I care if it is lesser known in your religion? |
So now I know it is a very popular with Jews and it is also Psalm 137 in the Christian Bible. Thank you |
I am afraid to break it to you but you share your bible with quite a few religions - old testament and new
What you know as the "christian" old testament is also the Hebrew Bible (Koren Tanakh) - I think all this was clearly explained on the original thread |
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 05:22 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: AEnigma asked me a question, so I answered it. Natural conclusion to the discussion |
Actually you didn't
The psalm I quoted is very well known to Jews. Why should I care if it is lesser known in your religion? |
So now I know it is a very popular with Jews and it is also Psalm 137 in the Christian Bible. Thank you |
I am afraid to break it to you but you share your bible with quite a few religions - old testament and new
What you know as the "christian" old testament is also the Hebrew Bible (Koren Tanakh) - I think all this was clearly explained on the original thread |
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Yes dear teacher. . . it . . . was . . . also . . . clearly . . . explained . . . to . . . me . . . at . . . university . . . and . . . on . . . my . . . professional . . . development . . . courses . . . as . . . a . . . co-ordinator . . . of . . . Religious . . . Education.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 06:01 pm |
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Quoting peace train:
Yes dear teacher. . . it . . . was . . . also . . . clearly . . . explained . . . to . . . me . . . at . . . university . . . and . . . on . . . my . . . professional . . . development . . . courses . . . as . . . a . . . co-ordinator . . . of . . . Religious . . . Education. |
did you have to boast about your education ?
another "highly" educated professor of religions who doesnt differe the religions and their books
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 06:04 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Yes dear teacher. . . it . . . was . . . also . . . clearly . . . explained . . . to . . . me . . . at . . . university . . . and . . . on . . . my . . . professional . . . development . . . courses . . . as . . . a . . . co-ordinator . . . of . . . Religious . . . Education. |
So why did I have to explain my psalm to you, even though I said it was from the Jewish Bible in the original post, and why did you refer to the old testament as the "Christian Bible"?
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 07:12 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting peace train:
Yes dear teacher. . . it . . . was . . . also . . . clearly . . . explained . . . to . . . me . . . at . . . university . . . and . . . on . . . my . . . professional . . . development . . . courses . . . as . . . a . . . co-ordinator . . . of . . . Religious . . . Education. |
did you have to boast about your education ?
another "highly" educated professor of religions who doesnt differe the religions and their books |
Hey no boast . . . very many people go to UK, there are even degrees in soap operas. Going to university is not the elitist journey it once was. It has become more of a rite of passage. So I didn't see it as a boast. I'm not a professor either and didn't say I was.
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16 Feb 2008 Sat 09:05 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting peace train:
Yes dear teacher. . . it . . . was . . . also . . . clearly . . . explained . . . to . . . me . . . at . . . university . . . and . . . on . . . my . . . professional . . . development . . . courses . . . as . . . a . . . co-ordinator . . . of . . . Religious WOW!!!. . . Education. |
did you have to boast about your education ?
another 'highly' educated professor of religions who doesnt differe the religions and their books |
Hey no boast . . . very many people go to UK, there are even degrees in soap operas. Going to university is not the elitist journey it once was. It has become more of a rite of passage. So I didn't see it as a boast. I'm not a professor either and didn't say I was. |
then pls, dont expose your education! i mean dont mention it! otherwise its a target for me to use it against you
your educational background cant be a shield when someone like me attacks your logic, can it?
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 06:09 pm |
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Heaven and Hell
by: Author Unknown, Source Unknown
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A man spoke with the Lord about Heaven and Hell. "I will show you Hell," said the Lord. And they went into a room which had a large pot of stew in the middle. The smell was delicious and around the pot sat people who were famished and desperate. All were holding spoons with very long handless which reached to the pot, but because the handles of the spoons were longer than their arms, it was impossible to get the stew into their mouths. Their suffering was terrible.
"Now I will show you Heaven," said the Lord, and they went into an identical room. There was a similar pot of stew and the people had the same identical spoons, but they were well nourished, talking and happy.
At first the man did not understand.
"It is simple," said the Lord. "You see, they have learned to feed each other."
all depends on us,people,don't you think????
and one more..great story by Mark Twain"Was it heaven?OR Hell?"
http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/wihoh.html
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