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Turkish Camel wrestling in Hidirbeyi, Incirliova and Aydin
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 04:26 pm |
I would love to see that! Although starting date of camel wrestling is not known, it is predicted that the wrestling organisations have been made since caravan and nomading period. Based on the information obtained from camel owners and wrestling fans, nomads and caravan owners had a competition and they had camel wrestling.
Camel wrestling has been seen more in Aydın as well as Aegean region(İzmir, Manisa, Muğla, Denizli) also many cities, districts, towns and villages, also in Marmara region (Balıkesir, Çanakkale), Mediterranean Region (Burdur Isparta) and other some provinces.
Although there are traditional rules of camel wrestling, they differ from region to region. However, camel wrestling does not have a unique field and spectators. The organisations for camel wrestling are usually held by associations dealing with activities in education, culture, health, sports and social fields for making profits. In some regions municipalities take part in organisations in order to discipline the wrestling and provide a certain order.
The incomes from wrestling organisation are used, after deduction of expenses, for specified purposes. Betting and other kind of organisations are made for camel wrestlings Camel wrestling is made between male camels delivered upon mating of female camel with single hump called "yoz" and male camels with double humps called "buhur".
The camels are for wrestling. They are born for wrestling that is their descendants were also wrestler camels.
Wrestler camels are grown up with special care and prepared for wrestling. The wrestling is organised during winter months when "Tülü"s are angry, namely in December, January, February and March.
Wrestling camel has a name. The names are given by their owners as well as by spectators because of the actions the camels make during wrestling. It is also seen that the names are chosen from the names of heroes of TV serials. It will be better if some names are given. Some of the names are Kolombo, Dozer, Şahintepesi, Gezer, Sarızeybek, Yörükali, Almanyalı, Ceylan, Flek, Ali Tülü, Talancı, Karka kartalı, Suat, Zümrüt, Menderes, Fırat, Takmakol, Şoför, Civan, Karamurat, Yarımdünya and so on.
The names of the camels are transcribed on the cloth put on back of the pack-saddle. This cloth is called Peş. "Maşallah" is written under the name.
One day before the wrestling, the camels taking part in the wrestling are designed in a traditional way. In addition, they are showed up in the streets. This is a worth seeing event. You hear drum and zurna playing zeybek and the bells of the camels. The dressed up camels indicate a different beauty. One is delighted of watching them. The city is too crowded like a festival. There is a huge crowd in front of cafe houses. The fans of camel wrestling are all there. Discussions about the wrestling go on. You are attracted by the camel owners in their traditional clothes and also some fans dressing in the same way, in caps, poşu, jacket and traditional trousers and boots. It is also possible to see some watching video clips of former wrestling. In the evening a friendship party called "Halı Gecesi" is held in order to provide friendship between camel owners and wrestling lovers. People eat, drink and sing songs of the region, play zeybek and also some auctions are held to sell carpets. This evening party is held one day before wrestling. The people prepare their meals one night prior to organisation date. Everybody is very excited.
Wrestling Day : People start to come wrestling field early in the morning. While some try to find a good seat at field, th others arrange the place where they can stay with their families. Grills and meals are prepared. At about 9.00-10.00 the wrestling field is full of wrestling lovers. In addition street hawkers take their places out of the field. Several kinds of foods, drinks, gifts are already placed on the counters. And drum and zurna are played. Some people start to play zeybek.
Then it is anounced from the speakers that the wrestling has started, and the names of the camels announced to come into field for wrestling. The movement out of the field now shifts to the field. Camel owners take the camels into the field. After the camels make a tour in the field the wrestling starts. Cmel wrestling generally starts at 9-00-10.00.
The person announcing the names of the wrestling camels (called by "Cazgır") praises the camels and contributes entertainment to the wrestling through his unique praising, and poems.
Camel wrestling is made in four categories, namely ayak, Orta, Başaltı and baş. The winners are determined by : 1.Making the rival escape, 2.cry 3.fall.
Cazgır is the most important and colourful figure of the camel wrestling as it is in oil wrestling. He tries to narrate the camel wrestling like sports reporters.
In camel wrestling the followings are charged with duties: organisation committees, referee committee(Head referee, mid referee and desk referee), urgancı (rope keeper) in sufficient number, mouth tiers (to tie mouth of the camels) and controller of tying mouth.
In the first one, the camel makes its rival escape from the field with its huge body. In the second, the camel ties its rival with several tricks and games, and the rival cannot stand this force and cries. In the third one, the winner makes its rival fall with tricks and attacks and sits on losing rival. There is also beating called "pes" (accepting defeat) in which the owner of the camel accepts the defeating in order to prevent his camel encounter damage, for this defeating the owner throws the rope into the field which means acceptance of defeating. The camels not beating each others are equal without any winners.
Some of the names given to tricks made by camels during wrestling are: Bağ, Çengel, Çatal, Makas, kol atması, Muşat çengel, Tam bağ, Yarım bağ, Düz çengel, Tekçi, Kol kaldırma.
In order to increase the excitement, great care is paid for matching the camels having different tricks. Each camel wrestles with a tülü in its class. The camels wrestling from right are matched with the ones wrestling from the right, and left ones with left ones, the ones hooking with the ones hooking etc. The winner camel bring its four feet together and salutes the spectator with boasting. As a reward it gets its carpet and leaves the field. Defeated camel shows silence and embarrassment.
Each camel wrestles only once a day. The duration of the wrestling is about 10 to 15 minutes. The rules are set out in order to prevent reduction in number of wrestling camels and damage of them.
All of them are carried out within a disciplinary manner and traditionally. When wrestling is ended, the owners and the winner camels return home with proud and happiness while spectators are delighted of having an exciting day.
The camel wrestling usually held in winter months in Aegean region has become winter festivals of Aegean region.
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 05:08 pm |
It makes no difference if they are bread for fighting (so were cockerels for cockfighting), it is so cruel to use animals for "entertainment" in this way - I hate it
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 05:36 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: I hate it |
+1
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 07:33 pm |
Camel Wrestling vs. Bullfighting, as a comparison, my personal view reg. Bullfighting is abhorrent, inhumane, cruel entertainment
Is bullfighting a legitimate slice of Spain or a cruel spectacle?
The Spanish bullfight is as much a ritual as it is a sport. Not to acknowledge the importance of the bullfight is to censor a venerable part of Spanish culture. But it also makes a spectacle out of the cruel killing of an animal. Should tourists boycott bullfights? I don't know.
Today bullfighting is less popular among locals. If this trend continues, bullfighting may survive more and more as a tourist event. When the day comes that bullfighting is kept alive by our tourist dollars rather than the local culture, then I'll agree with those who say bullfighting is immoral and that tourists shouldn't encourage it by buying tickets. Consider the morality of supporting this gruesome aspect of Spanish culture before buying a ticket. If you do decide to attend a bullfight, here is what you'll see.
While no two bullfights are the same, they unfold along a strict pattern. The ceremony begins punctually with a parade of participants across the ring. Then the trumpet sounds, the "Gate of Fear" opens, and the leading player — el toro — thunders in. A ton of angry animal is an awesome sight, even from the cheap seats (with the sun in your eyes).
The fight is divided into three acts. Act I is designed to size up the bull and wear him down. The matador (literally "killer"), with help from his assistants, attracts the bull with the shake of the cape, then directs the animal past his body, as close as his bravery allows. The bull sees only things in motion and (some think) red. After a few passes the picadores enter, mounted on horseback, to spear the swollen lump of muscle at the back of the bull's neck. This tests the bull as the matador watches studiously. It also lowers the bull's head and weakens the thrust of his horns. (Until 1927, horses had no protective pads and were often killed.)
In Act II, the matador's assistants (banderilleros) continue to enrage and weaken the bull. The banderillero charges the charging bull and, leaping acrobatically across its path, plunges brightly-colored barbed sticks into the bull's vital neck muscle.
After a short intermission, during which the matador may, according to tradition, ask permission to kill the bull and dedicate the kill to someone in the crowd, the final, lethal Act III begins.
The matador tries to dominate and tire the bull with hypnotic cape work. A good pass is when the matador stands completely still while the bull charges past. Then the matador thrusts a sword between the animal's shoulder blades for the kill. A quick kill is not always easy, and the matador may have to make several bloody thrusts before the sword stays in and the bull finally dies. Mules drag the dead bull out, and his meat is in the market mañana (barring "mad cow" concerns — and if ever there were a mad cow...). Rabo del toro (bull-tail stew) is a delicacy.
Throughout the fight, the crowd shows its approval or impatience. Shouts of "¡Olé!" or "¡Torero!" mean they like what they see. Whistling or rhythmic hand-clapping greets cowardice and incompetence.
You're not likely to see much human blood spilled. In 200 years of bullfighting in Sevilla, only 30 fighters have died (and only three were actually matadors). If a bull does kill a fighter, the next matador comes in to kill him. Historically, even the bull's mother is killed, since the evil qualities are assumed to have come from the mother.
After an exceptional fight, the crowd may wave white handkerchiefs to ask that the matador be awarded the bull's ear or tail. A brave bull, though dead, gets a victory lap from the mule team on his way to the slaughterhouse. Then the trumpet sounds, and a new bull charges in to face a fresh matador.
Fights are held on most Sundays, Easter through October (at 18:30 or 19:3 . Serious fights with adult matadors are called corrida de toros. These are often sold out in advance. Summer fights are often novillada, with teenage novices doing the killing. Corrida de toros seats range from €20 for high seats facing the sun to €100 for the first three rows in the shade under the royal box. Novillada seats are half that, and generally easy to get at the arena a few minutes before showtime. Many Spanish women consider bullfighting sexy. They swoon at the dashing matadors who are sure to wear tight pants (with their partas nobles — noble parts — in view, generally organized to one side, farthest from the bull).
A typical bullfight lasts about two hours and consists of six separate fights — three matadors (each with his own team of picadors and banderilleros) fighting two bulls each. For a closer look at bullfighting by an American aficionado, read Ernest Hemingway's classic, Death in the Afternoon.
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:05 pm |
Bullfighting is even more horrible
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:20 pm |
now poor ro-sweet-a thinks that we accept bullfighting just because we criticise camels being used in a barbaric entertainment.
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:24 pm |
You must have missed what I stated:
Bullfighting is abhorrent, inhumane, cruel entertainment
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:24 pm |
Is that why you posted your piece about bull fighting Ros?
I think I had made it clear that I hate any sport/entertainment involving animals.
Quoting AEnigma III: it is so cruel to use animals for "entertainment" in this way - I hate it |
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:26 pm |
Hope this finally will sink in:
. Roswitha
1821 posts
Quote --- Modify 17 Feb 2008 Sun 01:24 pm
You must have missed what I stated:
Bullfighting is abhorrent, inhumane, cruel entertainment
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:31 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Is that why you posted your piece about bull fighting Ros?
I think I had made it clear that I hate any sport/entertainment involving animals.
Quoting AEnigma III: it is so cruel to use animals for "entertainment" in this way - I hate it |
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Except, of course, hunting of a single fox by 100 armed drunk aristocrats on horseback, aided by a million fox hounds..That is an incredible noble entertainment and sport!
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:36 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: Except, of course, hunting of a single fox by 100 armed drunk aristocrats on horseback, aided by a million fox hounds..That is noble entertainment and sport! |
Fox hunting has been banned (although a few still ignore this law unfortunately) but they have never been armed!
Incidently I am proud to state that I was a regular hunt saboteur and regularly spoiled the hunt, much to the anger of those rich aristocrats you mention
ALpha please dont jump on the bandwagon of assuming I defend everything from my country and criticise yours. I am also against horse racing and many other cruel ways animals are treated in my country.
ok pdr?
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:37 pm |
I like that partner....you are exceptional !
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:41 pm |
Camel wrestling is a colorful local activity in which none of the camels get hurt. It used to be a good way of chosing dominant and capable male camels to run caravans.
If you let them find out who is the lead camel in a sports arena...They do not bother trying to find that out by themselves, at awkward instances - during long marches.
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:46 pm |
Quoting Roswitha: I would love to see that!
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to see what, ros?
i reckon its an article, but then hun, give us the link or any source , and then give us at least a tiny info regarding your goal of posting this highly educating material.
im not asking too much (like please, ros, comment the post or thread, we know you are unable to comment), its just the way it must be conducted.
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:48 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: I like that partner....you are exceptional ! |
I think this thread should have been locked at this point
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:54 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AlphaF: I like that partner....you are exceptional ! |
I think this thread should have been locked at this point |
What is the matter partner?
Are you shy of compliments, or what?
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:56 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AlphaF: I like that partner....you are exceptional ! |
I think this thread should have been locked at this point |
did you convert to animal rights religion recently?
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 08:57 pm |
Quoting AlphaF: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AlphaF: I like that partner....you are exceptional ! |
I think this thread should have been locked at this point |
What is the matter partner?
Are you shy of compliments, or what? |
I never tired of them I wanted the thread locked at that point so that your words would would never get lost
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 09:01 pm |
Sports hunting is absolutely repulsive! Even more so when it's done to endangered animals, take a look at this article for example.
Recently I have also seen writings about royals hunting just for the heck of it, shooting as many animals as possible for absolutely no reason
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 09:15 pm |
Quoting azade: Sports hunting is absolutely repulsive! Even more so when it's done to endangered animals, take a look at this article for example.
Recently I have also seen writings about royals hunting just for the heck of it, shooting as many animals as possible for absolutely no reason |
+100000
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 09:17 pm |
Quoting femme_fatal: did you convert to animal rights religion recently? |
Are you serious? I used to bore people rigid with my posts about animal rights here I try to avoid it more now ...
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 09:17 pm |
Personally, I loved bull fighting when i watched it.
But camel wrestling is soo boring..I remember watching them..and some of them did not fight at all..and when some of them did, i did not realise they were fighting..
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 09:24 pm |
Quoting thehandsom: Personally, I loved bull fighting when i watched it.
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17 Feb 2008 Sun 09:25 pm |
Quoting thehandsom: Personally, I loved bull fighting when i watched it.
But camel wrestling is soo boring..I remember watching them..and some of them did not fight at all..and when some of them did, i did not realise they were fighting.. |
you have no idea now how much you hurt the delicate feelings of animalist aenigma!
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 01:11 am |
I can't believe..I just read this "camels wrestling". What the hell is this about..don't these people have anything better to do than wrestle camels, OMG... What I find even more repulsive, is dog fighting...There are people here in the states who gamble on dog fighting..its sick and I don't even care for dogs.
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 01:24 am |
Quoting thehandsom: Quoting teaschip1: I can't believe..I just read this "camels wrestling". What the hell is this about..don't these people have anything better to do than wrestle camels, OMG... What I find even more repulsive, is dog fighting...There are people here in the states who gamble on dog fighting..its sick and I don't even care for dogs. |
oi oi you amerikan girl..
what are you trying to do here? eh? any idea what 301 is? |
It doesn't apply to me or I would be arrested by now..
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 01:27 am |
Have a look at the Turkish Oil Wrestling Photo,scroll down than look: ah!! Hey!!! Ho Ho Ho!! Ha, ha, ha!
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/bayside/yokohama/En/doc/home2.html
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 01:29 am |
Quoting Roswitha: Have a look at the Turkish Oil Wrestling Photo, huh!!! Ho Ho Ho!!
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/bayside/yokohama/En/doc/home2.html |
Ouh! I think we should get our TC boys to demonstrate it for us
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 01:32 am |
Quoting Roswitha: Have a look at the Turkish Oil Wrestling Photo,scroll down than look: ah!! Hey!!! Ho Ho Ho!! Ha, ha, ha!
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/bayside/yokohama/En/doc/home2.html |
traditional sport of Turkey and it is organized every year in summers for more than 500 years. (approximate)
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 02:02 am |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Roswitha: Have a look at the Turkish Oil Wrestling Photo, huh!!! Ho Ho Ho!!
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/bayside/yokohama/En/doc/home2.html |
Ouh! I think we should get our TC boys to demonstrate it for us  |
How do you win a traditional oil wrestling match..
1. You win, if your opponent submits...
2. You win, if you can force your opponent down on his back, shoulders hitting the field.
3. You win, if you can grab your opponent, raise him up from the field and carry him 3 steps - with no part of him touching the ground.
4. You win, if you can tear your opponent's wrestlingtights. Tights are made of at least a centimeter thick cow hide.( you also win if opponents tight is accidentally torn)
In some exceptional cases you may win by a referee decision, if your opponent continues to be unacceptably rough - despite and after several warnings.
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 02:10 am |
No, unfortunately it is not open to ladies.
But I can allow you a chance to test yourself in private, if you want to try for the world tittle.
Just kidding, I would not stand a chance...
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 02:12 am |
Quoting AlphaF: No, unfortunately it is not open to ladies.
But I can allow you a chance to test yourself in private, if you want to try for the world tittle. |
Hahahaha sounds tempting. I am preparing to race to you in my sporty car right now
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 02:15 am |
It is single piece tight....Beware !
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 02:19 am |
Quoting AlphaF: It is single piece tight....Beware ! |
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:14 am |
Quoting AEnigma III: May women take part? I have a feeling I could beat you Partner 
Prepare to have your tights torn!  |
turkish female oil wrestling
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:33 am |
Quoting thehandsom: Personally, I loved bull fighting when i watched it.
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I am very disappointed in you. For this, instead of waxing, next time we will tweeze each individual hair from every part of your body!!
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:34 am |
Quoting girleegirl: Quoting thehandsom: Personally, I loved bull fighting when i watched it.
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I am very disappointed in you. For this, instead of waxing, next time we will tweeze each individual hair from every part of your body!!
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OUCH!!
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:40 am |
Quoting geniuda: Quoting KeithL: Quoting AEnigma III: May women take part? I have a feeling I could beat you Partner 
Prepare to have your tights torn!  |
turkish female oil wrestling |
how can you tell they are turkish? |
If you are a man, you do not need to be Turkish to compete.
As far as I know - by tradition - if you arrive at the field on the proper date, with proper attire, proper respect and declare that you are willing to obey the rules of competition, you can not be denied a chance to compete - regardless of your nationality, color, race or size.
Lack of previous experience will not matter. You may however be allowed to compete in a lower class of wrestlers, than you fancy as "suitable" for yourself - if you are totally unknown among local wrestling authorities.
Oil wrestling between ladies is only a circus affair, well beneath traditional Turkish dignity - popular in some Las Vegas night clubs.
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 10:39 am |
Quoting girleegirl: Quoting thehandsom: Personally, I loved bull fighting when i watched it.
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I am very disappointed in you. For this, instead of waxing, next time we will tweeze each individual hair from every part of your body!!
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if you touch a single hair of mine with a tweezer, I will post the pictures I took from bull fighting.
And you will all be sick!!.ha ha
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 10:41 am |
Quoting AEnigma III: It makes no difference if they are bread for fighting (so were cockerels for cockfighting), it is so cruel to use animals for "entertainment" in this way - I hate it |
+1000000
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 02:44 pm |
Quoting Roswitha: Have a look at the Turkish Oil Wrestling Photo,scroll down than look: ah!! Hey!!! Ho Ho Ho!! Ha, ha, ha!
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/bayside/yokohama/En/doc/home2.html |
Last year they had advertisements all over where we live and my family was here so we wanted to go see it. unfortunately the signs didn't say how far it was away so we followed the directions up the mountain and after driving for well over an hour, the road getting narrower and rockier, we start to see cars coming down the mountain Anyway we got to see some pretty mountains I guess
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 03:32 pm |
female hair wrestling
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19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:03 pm |
Equestrian game: Cirit
It is a game that the Turks have enjoyed for many centuries. It was the public form of athletic competition in nomadic Turkish society where the equestrian tradition was very strong: Turks were born and grew up on horseback, a great many fought as cavalry officers, their only drink was the horse milk called kımız and many perished on horseback. Cirit was accepted as a war game by the Ottomans in the 16th century. While its scope has shrank in the current day cirit is still played in weddings and holidays in Anatolia.
Cirit entered Anatolia with Alpaslan and spread from there to Europe and the Arab lands. It was played in German and French-speaking territories in the 17th century.
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