Quoting thehandsom:

-Men get dressed to be dressed
and women get dressed to be naked-

Quoting thehandsom:

Therefore, because of their desire,
I see all women stark-naked

Quoting KeithL:

who asked for this translation???

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting KeithL:

nice poem??? letting a cat lick your balls??? you have to be kidding me.

Quoting thehandsom:

well..you may not find it nice..
But in the end, poets write their state of mind..
He is DAMN GOOD POET..

And of course, he did not mean a cat cat..ok?

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting geniuda: Quoting KeithL: nice poem??? letting a cat lick your balls??? you have to be kidding me.

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting KeithL:

Maybe a good poet. Picasso was also a good painter. But it didnt excuse him of his deviant obsessions. I still think its a strange entry to post here at TC. Good luck getting the responses your looking for...

Quoting adonis:

of course this poem is full of obscenity but poems shouldn't be read just like a novel, cuz poems have different meanings, structures and contents..

sexuality is a normal thing..

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting geniuda: Quoting thehandsom: well..you may not find it nice.. But in the end, poets write their state of mind.. He is DAMN GOOD POET.. And of course, he did not mean a cat cat..ok? I wonder which was his state of mind at the moment he wrote that poem

Quoting thehandsom:

Guys guys!!
This is a poem about masturbation..
And I am sure no animals are harmed..
Please ya..
This guy spent almost his entire life in an out jails and in an out of court rooms..
You are doing the same for his poetry here..
Please yani!!

offf...there is no kitten..it was his hand..

Quoting thehandsom:

Guys guys!!
This is a poem about masturbation..
And I am sure no animals are harmed..
Please ya..
This guy spent almost his entire life in an out jails and in an out of court rooms..
You are doing the same for his poetry here..
Please yani!!

offf...there is no kitten..it was his hand..

Quoting thehandsom:

offf...there is no kitten..it was his hand..

Quoting thehandsom:

Oh god..
I am tearing my hair here now!!!!

Quoting thehandsom:

May be next time, I should think

Quoting SERA_2005:

I am sure handsom isnt attempting to sexist here he was simply translating a poem he liked by a poet he seems to admire.I agree it is a little bit strange but there is alot in art that is sexualised/erotic as Roswitha has demonstrated above.Chill out guys,its only a poem!

Quoting SERA_2005:

I agree it is a little bit strange

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting SERA_2005:

Chill out guys,its only a poem!

Quoting joanne1980:

im sure we realllllllly needed a poem all about masturbation handsom thanks for putting me off my dinner

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman:

It puts me off too... I mean takes me away... (GG, do you manage to do both at once?)

Quoting catwoman:

It puts me off too... I mean takes me away... (GG, do you manage to do both at once?

Quoting teaschip1:

Isn't it a very natural thing for men to do this, anyhow..

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting teaschip1:

Isn't it a very natural thing for men to do this, anyhow..

Quoting teaschip1:

Bye the looks of the Hustler store down the street you are right AND women.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

do you mean judge like a contest???

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting catwoman: Quoting teaschip1: Bye the looks of the Hustler store down the street you are right AND women. do we have an angel here who's there to judge the women who masturbate?

Quoting KeithL:

good thing I'm not a pervert....

Quoting KeithL:

good thing I'm not a pervert....

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting geniuda: Quoting KeithL: good thing I'm not a pervert....

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Elisabeth:

GG..this is a bed amerikan lie...who told you this...don't you know if you touch yourself you will go blind?

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting adonis:

sexuality is a necessity for human beings.. it's very normal..

Quoting adonis:

quasi women never do masturbation. i laugh at this idea...

one of the reasons for the notion of feminism is to have sex without any partner. consequently and in general, sex toys or vibrators are invented for the feminist women.

it's very apparent, otherwise those kinda women couln't have satisfied themselves.

sexuality is a necessity for human beings.. it's very normal..

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting adonis:

sexuality is a necessity for human beings.. it's very normal..

Quoting adonis:

quasi women never do masturbation. i laugh at this idea...

one of the reasons for the notion of feminism is to have sex without any partner. consequently and in general, sex toys or vibrators are invented for the feminist women.

it's very apparent, otherwise those kinda women couln't have satisfied themselves.

sexuality is a necessity for human beings.. it's very normal..

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

There is a saying to, that it's not always the size of the wand but the magic. What if the magic doesn't perform, then what?

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting joanne1980:

in fact yes at dinner time it does lol...there is a time and place for everything. although i did NOT say it makes me SICK TO MY STOMACH ..your words not mine.
after dinner suits me just fine. anyhow

Quote:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting alameda:

Quoting alameda:

If I may translate what I think is KeithL's issue with this translation; is this the proper content for THIS forum. Are we to become rated R restricted to Adult only?

Quoting alameda:

If I may translate what I think is KeithL's issue with this translation; is this the proper content for THIS forum. Are we to become rated R restricted to Adult only?

Although there are many issues that are good to talk about, the audience one presents to must be considered. This forum is, as I understand it, for learning Turkish. As a learning site, we don't know the ages of visitors here. I know, I myself have referred people from different age groups and backgrounds to this site to learn Turkish.

Quoting joanne1980:

i mean exactly what i say

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting KeithL:

I'm not as smart as I appear....

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting alameda:

Well, not everyone, but it's refreshing to see you recognize your limitations, canim.

Quoting alameda:

Well, not everyone, but it's refreshing to see you recognize your limitations, canim.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting DR TREATMENT:

Quoting MrX67:

such an ugly lines and far from poet responsibilites,and i bet lines even get shamed from the hand which wrote em..

Quoting MrX67:

such an ugly lines and far from poet responsibilites,and i bet lines even get shamed from the hand which wrote em..

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting catwoman:

Thanks handsom for the translation, but I have to agree with Keith... it's NOT a nice poem As a woman and a feminist, I find certain expressions too similar to the sexist, offensive against women patriarchy all around.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting DR TREATMENT:

We all know what sarcasm mean after I reading your comment for everybody but I can say that you need to be treated by me on sarcastic way.. after all you will be allright also I can sort it out your attitude problem ....

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting peace train:

Why is there such a morbid fascination with Alameda's links?

Quoting DR TREATMENT:

i read lots of what you comment for different people and you are tactless! calm down...i suppose you are single and hopeless. i suggest you find someone who is going to treat you nice in your private life. you will be a much optimist person about peoples comments and veiw here.
thankyou for your recommendation for myself to seek treatment..i am already being treated by some very nice British ladies.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting DR TREATMENT:

Quoting thehandsom:

EROTIZMA-CAN YÃœCEL

Kulagimin tozunda bir agustosböcegi Ask
-Erkekler giyinmek için giyinir
Kadinlar da soyunmak için-
Öyleyse kadinlarin arzulari üzre
Ben bütün kadinlari anadan dogma
görüyorum...
Apisaramda yeni dogmus bir kedi
Hiçdurma yaliyor erkekligimi
Nabzim sakaklarimda atiyor
Bir yaz yagmuru basliyor
Kan degil akçil bir dem bosaliyor
kamisimdan
Agustosböcekleri hâlâ ötüyor
Simdi biraz islaklar
====================================
EROTIC LIKE

A cicada on my ear, love
-Men get dressed to be dressed
and women get dressed to be naked-
Therefore, because of their desire,
I see all women stark-naked


A new born little kitten on my lap
Licking my manhood repeatedly
My pulse is throbbing on my temple
Then, a summer rain is starting
Not blood, a silvery drop, out of my pecker, is emerging .

Cicadas are still singing
They are just a bit soaked now.


My try..
ps..I was merely trying to translate this poem..sorry is if it is offensive..

Quoting DR TREATMENT:

Quoting DR TREATMENT:

should i treat you as your nickname girl or what you really are?

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman:

Dr Treatment, really - stop these personal attacks.. this is a warning.

Quoting girleegirl:

[

Quoting Roswitha:

We have three cats

Quoting catwoman:

Dr Treatment, really - stop these personal attacks.. this is a warning.

Quoting DR TREATMENT:

Quoting DR TREATMENT:

Quoting DR TREATMENT:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting DR TREATMENT: Quoting Roswitha: We have three cats I have three legs

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Come on people, whats the fuss. I enjoyed the poem. It was a wonderful game of words, put together in a way that suits Turkish and makes it so beautiful.

I dont think the poet himself either meant to imply sexism. I guess his mind was playing tricks on him because something in him was singing


Anyhow even if it was intended, it still is a nice piece of poetry!

Thanks for posting it thehandsom.

Quoting MrX67:

such an ugly lines and far from poet responsibilites,and i bet lines even get shamed from the hand which wrote em..

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting Deli_kizin:

I dont think the poet himself either meant to imply sexism. I guess his mind was playing tricks on him because something in him was singing

Quoting thehandsom:

"Girleegirl,
you are a lady..we all love you..
ignore people who need a real treatment....

Quoting catwoman:

that is YOUR opinion canim!

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting thehandsom:

"Çiğ ve görgüsüz olmak"
This is a turkish phrase..
Çiğ can be translated as raw ,coarse, crass, crude, dirty, filthy, foul, gross, indecent, inelegant, low, mean, nasty, obscene, pornographic, rank, rough, rude, smutty, uncouth, unrefined, unscrupulous (according to thesaurus.reference.com)
My pick will be filthy,gross,nasty, obscene, rude

görgüsüz is an adjective: (meaning abrupt, bad-mannered,blunt, boorish, coarse, curt, discourteous, gross, gruff, ill-mannered, impolite, inconsiderate, insulting, mannerless, uncivilized, uncouth, uncultured, unfriendly, ungentlemanly, unmannerly, unpolished, unrefined, vulgar) according to thesaurus.reference.com.
I would personally pick uncivilized, uncouth, uncultured, unrefined and vulgar for it
well
"Çiğ ve görgüsüz olmak" means can be translated as 'being rude and vulgar"

a pause here
and a little history about one of the sultans 'genc osman'
The date is 20 May 1622, this sultan was taken by the janissaries from topkapi palace on a horse and through Beyazıt-Laleli-Aksaray-Davutpaşa (places in istanbul) he was brought to yedikule. But during the journey the sultan went through all kind of TREATMENT by the janissaries on the journey ie squuezing his butts , pinching his thighs etc.
And the treatment continued and ended up and of the night in one of the bottom cells in the marble tower ( which is at the sea side of) yedikule dungeon. ( there were many happy janissaries according to rumors)

another pause here.
it is not that often I am really ashhamed of my country man:
They might be poor..I love them.
They might be not well educated...I love them as they are.
They may not know how to eat with knives and forks. I love them and I would share bread with them at any time..
They are beautiful people, so as My country.
But when I see rude and vulgar people and if they are from my beautiful country.
I really feel ASHAMED of them.

What is history part of this writing got to do with it then?
I donno..I just thought some people need treatment..that historic incident came into my mind. .

Girleegirl,
you are a lady..we all love you..
ignore people who need a real treatment..

ps..I am not giving any name here..whoever thinks the shoe fits, should wear it..

Quoting Deli_kizin:

It sure is canım


I just thought of some new names for you and the handsome in case you ever feel like getting deleted and then come back


handwoman and thecatsom

Quoting peace train:

If people want to research a subject as a result of a discussion, then post the fruits of their research, I don't see anything negative in that. They are being generous by sharing. Of course not everyone will be interested so the choice is: click or pass.

Quoting catwoman:

Adonis, do you need a separate warning, or will you learn as adonis2?

Quoting adonis:

dönek olmak:

1. renegade.
2. capricious. fickle. flighty. rat. renegade. treacherous. turncoat. volatile.
3. untrustworthy, fickle, apostate, capricious, changeable, changeful, flukey, fluky, inconstant, lubricious, protean, variable, versatile, volatile. turnabout, turncoat, quitter, deserter, piker, rat, ratter, renegade. "fickle, flighty, capricious, rat; turncoat". fickle, untrustworthy, inconstant, changeable.
4. inconstant. fickle. renegade. seceder. secessionist. uncertain. unstable. variant. volatile

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting catwoman:

Adonis, do you need a separate warning, or will you learn as adonis2?

Quoting peace train:

Quoting geniuda:

This is my opinion.. a "man" or "gentleman" however you want to call him, should never "insult""offend" etc a woman under any circumstances.
It really makes me sick when I see man having no respect for a woman at all..phisically or verbally..

Quoting peace train:

It is nice to see friends being protective of each other. No sarcasm intended, I am being sincere. OK, GG was treated a little harshly (eventually) by another member. However. if you look back on the thread that particular member's original intention was fairly honourable i.e. taking GG to task about her sarcasm towards Alameda. GG had herself been impolite and dicourteous to Alameda, for absolutely no reason.

Matters went too far today and there is no excuse for losing self control. We can all 'mix' it when we want to,but why do we whine when we get rough treatment because of it? We humans are a peculiar breed.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Adonis, do you need a separate warning, or will you learn as adonis2?

Quoting peace train:

Twice today you have wielded the "dreaded" delete threat. Why in public? Everyone knows you have admin powers. I would have thought a PM was more appropriate and would garner more respect from the recipient. Respect seems to be what you crave.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting geniuda:

This is my opinion.. a "man" or "gentleman" however you want to call him, should never "insult""offend" etc a woman under any circumstances.
It really makes me sick when I see man having no respect for a woman at all..phisically or verbally.. (period)

Quoting peace train:

We all whine from time to time and it's often not justified. We only have ourselves to blame, some of us never seem to see that though.

I said nothing in the chatroom of any consequence, it's a public place, just like this, with anyone observing. I may be so dim I only just found out about the chat room today but I'm not so stupid as to tell all my business or anyone else's business there (I save that for pm s ).

I told everyone that was there what I thought, and said people should be careful when posting comments. Of course I fully expected you to make out it was something a little more clandestine. You're welcome to do that if it makes you feel better about yourself. Don't worry, I have very broad shoulders .

Quoting alameda:

If someone is an agnostic, atheist, free thinker they are welcomed, but if they are Muslim or a traditional Turk, they are belittled and insulted by a group here who are bullies.

Quoting alameda:

The fact of the matter is GG seems to follow my posts and make rude comments on whatever I say. I have ignored it..but you don't say anything about that behavior.

Quoting alameda:

It goes both ways geniuda....a woman should not insult a man, nor should a man insult a woman.

Nobody has the right to demand respect, you earn it! You reap what you sow....people try talk to you in the language you speak.

Quoting peace train:

And another group insults women . . . women.
And those bullies Alameda mentioned? . . . women.
And the "kindergarten" (Cat's word)activists? . . . women.

Quoting alameda:

If someone is an agnostic, atheist, free thinker they are welcomed, but if they are Muslim or a traditional Turk, they are belittled and insulted by a group here who are bullies.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting peace train:

You actually counted?

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting peace train:

Me thinks you are after my crown as the Queen of Sanctimony.

Quoting Leelu:

wow!!! I missed a lot on this thread .. I has to go back and start reading it from the beginning .. ..

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting alameda:

Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: Quoting catwoman: Adonis, do you need a separate warning, or will you learn as adonis2? Common practice of some users . . . wind 'em up then bleat delete. Oh, right... now it's my fault that I "wind 'em up"

Quoting Leelu:

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm .. the cat ate my homework?

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Sorry for cutting into that interesting discussion you were having here about who is better than others. I'd like to go back to the original post - the poem. I have no idea how people can judge it as sexist. If you take into consideration the fact that this is a man having erotic thoughts of a woman then what's wrong with that? Can't men desire women? Would it be better if he claimed to love another guy? Or a fruit? He didn't mean one particular woman here, did he? He wasn't praising the love of his life. He was having sexual fantasies. Come on feminists, if you claim that, having dirty thoughts, it is the male brain that stimulates you, you're lying

Poetry, especially the good one, gives right to express oneself. To amaze, to name what others cannot. Labelling it as "sexist" would mean censoring erotic poetry, and that's a violation of poets' rights. Besides, if you read erotic female poetry, the basis is the same. They write about bodies. Not brains.

Quoting Daydreamer:

To me it only manifests that women are appealing for him, in contrast to men. I see nothing wrong in openly admitting one's sexual preferences. If I said I'm not attracted to women and that I prefer men, would it make me a sexist?

Quoting catwoman:

He doesn't say "I'm attracted to women", he says "to me they are all naked"...

Quote:

:-S Yeah, it's an expression of his desires, it may be something completely normal in some circumstances, and I said that this type of attitude among man in daily life is what makes our societies ones that objectify women.

Quote:

Also, please don't refer to me as "you, feminists", I'm not representing anybody here other than myself.

Quoting catwoman:

Ok canim, you have your point and I have mine I see what you mean, but I am sensitive to male objectification of women. On top of that, I could never interpret poetry correctly!

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting Leelu:

wow!!! I missed a lot on this thread .. I has to go back and start reading it from the beginning .. ..

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting alameda: Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: Quoting catwoman: Adonis, do you need a separate warning, or will you learn as adonis2? Common practice of some users . . . wind 'em up then bleat delete. Oh, right... now it's my fault that I "wind 'em up" Catwoman, as the url for this site is turkishclass.com, you can't be upset when people from the culture named protest when they think their culture is being misrepresented or disparaged in some way. You can not appropriate the name of a people and not expect protest when you disparage their culture. Certainly we have seen some very rude behavior from members here, who were not deleted....The fact of the matter is GG seems to follow my posts and make rude comments on whatever I say. I have ignored it..but you don't say anything about that behavior. I've seen many young men come here and get upset by what they see. They don't have a great command of English, the idiom used in US English. They are also not at all used to such frontal attacks on what they see as the honor of their country. If someone is an agnostic, atheist, free thinker they are welcomed, but if they are Muslim or a traditional Turk, they are belittled and insulted by a group here who are bullies.

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Sorry for cutting into that interesting discussion you were having here about who is better than others. I'd like to go back to the original post - the poem. I have no idea how people can judge it as sexist. If you take into consideration the fact that this is a man having erotic thoughts of a woman then what's wrong with that? Can't men desire women? Would it be better if he claimed to love another guy? Or a fruit? He didn't mean one particular woman here, did he? He wasn't praising the love of his life. He was having sexual fantasies. Come on feminists, if you claim that, having dirty thoughts, it is the male brain that stimulates you, you're lying

Poetry, especially the good one, gives right to express oneself. To amaze, to name what others cannot. Labelling it as "sexist" would mean censoring erotic poetry, and that's a violation of poets' rights. Besides, if you read erotic female poetry, the basis is the same. They write about bodies. Not brains.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Canli, with all due respect. None of us - atheists feels offended if believers question his/her choice. It is exactly the opposite with you. If we ask questions about your religion and draw conclusions you don't like, you start insulting us (I don't mean "you" personally). Some members seem to have the approach saying - either admire us or get lost. This is not very fair either, is it?

I do agree some members calling themselves "free thinkers" were pushing it and acted improperly. But it is hard to stay indifferent to sites like this:

http://www.stophonourkillings.com/?name=News&file=article&sid=2378

Let me quote just a tiny fragment:

"A girl was brutally murdered by her father on suspicion of her character Monday. The father chopped the body and interred it without a proper burial ceremony.

Her alleged paramour escaped the area to save his life. The accused Pandi Jatoi used an axe to cut the body into pieces. The girl cried and tried to prove her innocence by holding the Holy Quran. The father was wanted to kill her paramour but the youth managed to flee.

On being contacted by The Post, the police expressed their ignorance about the incident. However, some sources in the police confirmed that their colleagues were deliberately concealing the matter."

When we express our disgust with a religion that allows such things to happen, you take it as an attack on Islam. I have met many Muslim in my life, some of my best friends are Muslim, and they openly admit they abhor such incidents and believe there's plenty of things to change in Islam. Here at this site, the loudest-speaking Muslims instantly tell us not to dig out the dirt in a backyard that doesn't belong to us or immediately start to talk about Inquisition. They fail to see the difference between past and now. It's easy to call us ignorants who have no right to speak about subjects we don't know. But what is there to know? A woman (more than one) died, and the religion you say to be yours allows to account for it. Don't demand that we respect a religion allowing people to kill others

It's not that we have a problem with Muslims - we don't. Personally, I don't care if you cover your head, face, toes or neck. I don't care if you pray sitting, kneeling, lying or walking. Why should I? It is your free will and choice. But I care if you tell me honour killings are good and if you justify women's submissiveness saying it's their character. It is not. It is the upbringing that limits them.

Regards