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Dick Cheney
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 09:33 pm |
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A VERY IMPORTANT NOTICE !
I hear Dick Cheney will be visiting Turkia on March 16 2008.
His real intentions are not clear, but probably very dubious.
All innocent Turks are advised to keep their doors double locked throughout his visit !
No kidding! 
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 09:41 pm |
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GOOD NEWS !
Americans can safely keep their doors open; enjoy the fresh air, and few days of honest democracy - while Dick is away ! 
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 09:48 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: A VERY IMPORTANT NOTICE !
I hear Dick Cheney will be visiting Turkia on March 16 2008.
His real intentions are not clear, but probably very dubious.
All inncoent Turks are advised to keep their doors double locked throughout his visit !
No kidding! |
Which city (or cities) is he visiting? Just need to know so as to be sure to avoid him!
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 09:51 pm |
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Marion, he will be visiting Ankara and knocking at Alpha's door. Alpha should execute him for the death of thousands of innocent people.
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 10:02 pm |
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Please...keep him alfie...a gift from me to you!
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 10:33 pm |
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Alpha this is actually funny!
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 10:35 pm |
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You sound so shocked Elizabeth!
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 11:01 pm |
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Dick Cheney. Accused mastermind of the 911 "terrorist" attack against the US (unproven), Cheney has been called "The Vice President For Torture" by the Washington Post. A staunch supporter of the Middle Eastern War Without End, Cheney, like Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld bears particular responsibility for the conduct of the war. Elder Statesman, walking around freely today.
http://www.rense.com/general69/tpten.htm
http://www.vvaw.org/gallery/images/fall03photos/cheney-halliburton.jpg
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 11:19 pm |
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Quoting Roswitha: Marion, he will be visiting Ankara and knocking at Alpha's door. Alpha should execute him for the death of thousands of innocent people. |
That is a good one Ros  ..
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 11:23 pm |
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Tabancanı ateşlemeye hazır ol
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 11:27 pm |
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I am not opening my doors to every Tom, Dick and Harry ! 
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11 Mar 2008 Tue 09:20 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: You sound so shocked Elizabeth! |
I AM!!
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11 Mar 2008 Tue 09:30 pm |
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Quoting Roswitha: Dick Cheney. Accused mastermind of the 911 "terrorist" attack against the US (unproven), Cheney has been called "The Vice President For Torture" by the Washington Post. A staunch supporter of the Middle Eastern War Without End, Cheney, like Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld bears particular responsibility for the conduct of the war. Elder Statesman, walking around freely today.
http://www.rense.com/general69/tpten.htm
http://www.vvaw.org/gallery/images/fall03photos/cheney-halliburton.jpg
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Sorry Ros, I find this cartoon in very bad taste. Not really a laughing matter..
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11 Mar 2008 Tue 09:46 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: ....Sorry Ros, I find this cartoon in very bad taste. Not really a laughing matter.. |
I don't think the intent was to be funny.
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11 Mar 2008 Tue 10:49 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting teaschip1: ....Sorry Ros, I find this cartoon in very bad taste. Not really a laughing matter.. |
I don't think the intent was to be funny. |
Hmm, interesting I thought cartoons were intended to be humorous...anyhow you have once again missed the point.
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11 Mar 2008 Tue 11:34 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: Quoting alameda: Quoting teaschip1: ....Sorry Ros, I find this cartoon in very bad taste. Not really a laughing matter.. |
I don't think the intent was to be funny. |
Hmm, interesting I thought cartoons were intended to be humorous...anyhow you have once again missed the point. |
Ummm who missed the point teaschip?
Main Entry: car·toon
Pronunciation: kär-'tün
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Italian cartone pasteboard, cartoon, augmentative of carta leaf of paper -- more at CARD
1 : a preparatory design, drawing, or painting (as for a fresco)
2 a : a drawing intended as satire, caricature, or humor b : COMIC STRIP
3 : ANIMATED CARTOON
4 : a ludicrously simplistic, unrealistic, or one-dimensional portrayal or version
Note satire, caricature...not necessarily humor.
Los Caprichos by Francisco De Goya
are cartoons, but not intended to be funny
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11 Mar 2008 Tue 11:48 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
are cartoons, but not intended to be funny |
Then what about the Danish cartoons? I am (genuinely, these days you have to add this or people will think you want to provoke..) wondering what you thought of them?
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 12:04 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting alameda:
are cartoons, but not intended to be funny |
Then what about the Danish cartoons? I am (genuinely, these days you have to add this or people will think you want to provoke..) wondering what you thought of them? |
I thought they were tasteless...of course they were purposly provocative....and they did.
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 12:07 am |
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 Just wondering.
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 12:23 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Just wondering. |
My original post in this thread was not in regards to the good or bad taste of the cartoon posted, but just rather a clarification on the definition of what a cartoon is and is not.
I believe the intent of just about all cartoons is to provoke, any artist realizes that.
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 12:28 am |
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Quoting alameda: My original post in this thread was not in regards to the good or bad taste of the cartoon posted, but just rather a clarification on the definition of what a cartoon is and is not. |
Yes I know. Just the Danish cartoons came to my mind as I remember the exagerated reactions from the Muslimworld. Thats all
Quoting alameda: any artist realizes that. |
So... you are an artist?  
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 12:39 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting alameda: My original post in this thread was not in regards to the good or bad taste of the cartoon posted, but just rather a clarification on the definition of what a cartoon is and is not. |
Yes I know. Just the Danish cartoons came to my mind as I remember the exagerated reactions from the Muslimworld. Thats all
Quoting alameda: any artist realizes that. |
So... you are an artist? |
Yes, & have done a few satirical ones myself... 
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 12:42 am |
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Quoting alameda: Yes, & have done a few satirical ones myself... |
Oehh... 
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 01:07 am |
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cartoons are not only just for fun, but also to criticize the events in the world especially political matters. however caricaturists must be respectful to the rights of a person or a community, otherwise it causes provocations and negative reactions as the caricatures in Denmark.
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 01:11 am |
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Quoting adonis: cartoons are not only just for fun, but also to criticize the events in the world especially political matters. however caricaturists must be respectful to the rights of a person or a community, otherwise it causes prpvocations and negative reactions as the caricatures in Denmark. |
I agree with you till a certain degree... Because when criticizing political matters, you are always hurting one side. As there are always two opposites. So in that way it becomes really hard not to cause a negative reaction. And, if they are to criticize, they cant be too positive either
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 01:23 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting adonis: cartoons are not only just for fun, but also to criticize the events in the world especially political matters. however caricaturists must be respectful to the rights of a person or a community, otherwise it causes prpvocations and negative reactions as the caricatures in Denmark. |
I agree with you till a certain degree... Because when criticizing political matters, you are always hurting one side. As there are always two opposites. So in that way it becomes really hard not to cause a negative reaction. And, if they are to criticize, they cant be too positive either |
As I said earlier, the purpose of satire is to provoke, however an artist needs to know how to not cross the line from being just a frontal attack on others belief system.
If you want to provoke, you shoud be aware of just what you are provoking, or be ready for the consquenses. Doing it any other way is irresponsible, don't you think?
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 01:40 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting adonis: cartoons are not only just for fun, but also to criticize the events in the world especially political matters. however caricaturists must be respectful to the rights of a person or a community, otherwise it causes prpvocations and negative reactions as the caricatures in Denmark. |
I agree with you till a certain degree... Because when criticizing political matters, you are always hurting one side. As there are always two opposites. So in that way it becomes really hard not to cause a negative reaction. And, if they are to criticize, they cant be too positive either |
I don't care if u agree with me or not. Diogenes says:
"Gölge Etme Başka İhsan İstemem."
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 01:48 am |
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Quoting adonis: "Gölge Etme Başka İhsan İstemem." |
So you are saying you don't allow me to respond to you or not? If you really didn't care, you wouldn't even have bothered to reply me, dear. And what's with the quoting? Or.. are you saying.. you think I give you so much worth that I would deliberately bother you?
Neyse, as Sezen Aksu says:
"Haydi artık çek git yoluna".
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 01:52 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting adonis: "Gölge Etme Başka İhsan İstemem." |
So you are saying you don't allow me to respond to you or not? If you really didn't care, you wouldn't even have bother to reply me, dear.
"Haydi artık çek git yoluna". |
this post proves your inadequacy of Turkish. thanx..
that sentence means: "Stand out of my sunlight"
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 01:53 am |
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Quoting adonis: this post proves your inadequacy of Turkish. thanx..
that sentence means: "Stand out of my sunlight" |
And this shows your inadequacy of English, because that is not how one would say it in English. I think we would say 'to bother someone'. Not really to stand in ones sunlight. Actually, maybe in edebiyat or something we would say that. But in generally that sentence means All I ask from you is, dont bother me. Are you that shiny then?
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 01:55 am |
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Anyway, goodnight Adonis. This lady wont be bothered to continue this useless conversation, cuz there is just no pleasing you. I'm sorry I do not worship Atatürk and that therefore every response to your posts will feel to you as if I am bothering you.
Thanx
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 02:06 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting adonis: this post proves your inadequacy of Turkish. thanx..
that sentence means: "Stand out of my sunlight" |
And this shows your inadequacy of English, because that is not how one would say it in English. I think we would say 'to bother someone'. Not really to stand in ones sunlight. Actually, maybe in edebiyat or something we would say that. But in generally that sentence means All I ask from you is, dont bother me. Are you that shiny then? |
okay Dk you want plain English?
I have more important things to do than give my time to you anymore tonight.. now run along and finish your packing.
i only gave my opinion about the caricatures. i don't need your agreement or disagreement.
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:01 am |
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Quoting alameda: As I said earlier, the purpose of satire is to provoke, however an artist needs to know how to not cross the line from being just a frontal attack on others belief system.
If you want to provoke, you shoud be aware of just what you are provoking, or be ready for the consquenses. Doing it any other way is irresponsible, don't you think? |
Sometimes it also shows how primitive a group is by seeing how they respond to criticism. It is healthy to criticize beliefs/people/countries... etc, it is unhealthy when you can't handle that criticism in a mature way.
The problem begins when a certain group only functions because any sort of questioning is punishable sometimes by death, sometimes by prison and social condemnation... I think we saw the true face of islam by the reactions of muslims to the danish cartoons. It was not a pretty picture 
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 10:37 am |
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Quoting catwoman: [
Sometimes it also shows how primitive a group is by seeing how they respond to criticism. It is healthy to criticize beliefs/people/countries... etc, it is unhealthy when you can't handle that criticism in a mature way.
The problem begins when a certain group only functions because any sort of questioning is punishable sometimes by death, sometimes by prison and social condemnation... I think we saw the true face of islam by the reactions of muslims to the danish cartoons. It was not a pretty picture |
Well said Cat! The Danish Cartoon was not meant to insult Islam but, as I understood it, aimed at pointing out the fact that Islam is used as an excuse for suicide bombers. Ergo, criticized the distorted Islam that some fanatic people believe in. All the Muslims whose opinions were heard on this site told us Islam is against killing. So suicide bombers are not true Muslims to me, only do the bad press to the true ones and that's what I read from these cartoons.
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 02:13 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer:
Well said Cat! |
+1
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 02:15 pm |
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Quoting adonis: i only gave my opinion about the caricatures. i don't need your agreement or disagreement. |
So your reaction was a personal one, eh?
Canım, if you give your opinion on a public forum like this, you must be prepared and aware of the fact that there are always gonna be people who either agree or disagree with you. If you don't need it, then don't post your opinion.
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 06:23 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Anyway, goodnight Adonis. This lady wont be bothered to continue this useless conversation, cuz there is just no pleasing you. I'm sorry I do not worship Atatürk and that therefore every response to your posts will feel to you as if I am bothering you.
Thanx |
be careful with your sentences. who did say to you the matter of worshipping Atatürk? you must know how far u can go. don't make demagogy, only keep away from me.
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 07:39 pm |
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I worship no one Got it?
Keeping away from you? I'll reply whenever I feel like it, but I'll definitely make sure I'll never see you for real.
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12 Mar 2008 Wed 11:45 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I'm sorry I do not worship Atatürk and that therefore every response to your posts will feel to you as if I am bothering you.
Thanx |
This sentence of u clearly proves that you are worshipping something or somebody (not Atatürk of course). so you digress the quarrel between us, using Atatürk himself.
it's your incapability of making a discussion with me, not mine.
go on your showing double standarts, I don't care..
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13 Mar 2008 Thu 12:29 am |
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Quoting adonis: I don't care.. |
I never said I didn't care. If I really didn't care, I would not reply to any of your insulting posts. Especially your thougths about homosexuality are so backwards.
But you keep saying you don't care. Yet you keep replying to all I say.
Where does that post show I worship something? It clearly says I dont worship Atatürk, but it doesnt mention me worshipping something else? Anyway since you don't care, I bet you won't answer me
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13 Mar 2008 Thu 10:12 am |
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Quoting adonis:
This sentence of u clearly proves that you are worshipping something or somebody (not Atatürk of course). so you digress the quarrel between us, using Atatürk himself. |
Now that's logic. DK Doesn't worship Ataturk, ergo she worships somebody else. Now I understand why you believe that those who don't worship Turkey hate it. I know it's hard but, please, try to imagine that some people don't worship anybody
Quote: it's your incapability of making a discussion with me, not mine. |
That reminds me of a conversation I read on 'bash.org'
A:You're stupid
B: You can't call me stupid, you may only say that you find me stupid.
A: I find you stupid
B: I don't give a damn about your opinion
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14 Mar 2008 Fri 12:58 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I'm sorry I do not worship Atatürk and that therefore every response to your posts will feel to you as if I am bothering you.
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What a comment,then you should be the new moderator of Turkish(??) class .
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14 Mar 2008 Fri 01:03 am |
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Quoting armegon: Quoting Deli_kizin: I'm sorry I do not worship Atatürk and that therefore every response to your posts will feel to you as if I am bothering you.
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What a comment,then you should be the new moderator of Turkish(??) class . |
She is an 'ataturkcu' girl..Because Ataturk would not approve people worshipping him..
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14 Mar 2008 Fri 12:09 pm |
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Quoting armegon: Quoting Deli_kizin: I'm sorry I do not worship Atatürk and that therefore every response to your posts will feel to you as if I am bothering you.
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What a comment,then you should be the new moderator of Turkish(??) class . |
1. She already is
2. Do you think worshipping Ataturk is a necessary quality of a mod?
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14 Mar 2008 Fri 01:07 pm |
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How you understood my point, interesting , a moderator impeaching a member that he worships Atatürk
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14 Mar 2008 Fri 01:51 pm |
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I have no idea if you bothered to read the whole exchange between adonis and DK - if you had, you'd know she didn't impeach him for that. Actually he accused her of worshipping a terrorist (and edited the post later on).
Please, read everything before passing judgements like this
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14 Mar 2008 Fri 02:41 pm |
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I dont care how it was before, i just read this thread and actually i mean to say this is not right attitude of a moderator.
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14 Mar 2008 Fri 02:45 pm |
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you mean a moderator HAS TO worship Ataturk?
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14 Mar 2008 Fri 03:36 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: you mean a moderator HAS TO worship Ataturk? |
I thought the thread was about Dick Cheney....perhaps all moderators should worship him?
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14 Mar 2008 Fri 03:42 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth:
I thought the thread was about Dick Cheney....perhaps all moderators should worship him? |
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