Quoting catwoman:

I would like to raise this question again - what do you think about the restriction to discuss politics and religion here ONLY if it is DIRECTLY related to Turkey?

I think that such a restriction will not only keep us focused on the topic of Turkey, which is the purpose of this web site, but also will allow us to avoid many unnecessary arguments about religion and foreign politics that are really not meant to take place here.

Quoting karpusqueen:

We members are like children . . . we need to know where we stand.

Stop the procrastination and Moderate please.

DETENTE

Quoting caliptrix:

Or let's do this issue like this much more simply: Everyone can post religious texts only;
- without comment
- with the reference if it is an acceptable source about religion
- the ideas if it is really related to Turkey or Turkish culture

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting catwoman:

I would like to raise this question again - what do you think about the restriction to discuss politics and religion here ONLY if it is DIRECTLY related to Turkey?

I think that such a restriction will not only keep us focused on the topic of Turkey, which is the purpose of this web site, but also will allow us to avoid many unnecessary arguments about religion and foreign politics that are really not meant to take place here.

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting karpusqueen:

I never mentioned school handsom, I'm a mother and a grandmother . As a father, don't you set clear boundaries?

Nobody will need to remind you of what you should do if you do as you should do in the first instance i.e. be a good boy and follow the rules.

It seems to me that the reason this site is going through a transition is because people (whoever they are) think it is necessary. Even Admins must think it necessary, otherwise they would not have asked for suggestions and appointed more moderators.

btw Well done Admin, you made good choices for Moderators and thank you for taking the time to listen to members.

I have made my opinion clear. I don't want the topics to be limited. However, if there are rules then the site should be moderated according to them. The point of my post that you refer to was to stop the debate about how the site is managed etc. and get on with it.

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting catwoman:

Ok, since no restrictions on religion and politics seems to be everyone's wish, we will modify the forum rules accordingly. However, I think these topics should still be posted in moderation to maintain the focus on Turkey as much as we can and at the same time we reserve the right to send a warning to a person who is posting too many topics that are unrelated to Turkey. Does that sound fair enough?

However, if it turns out that these topics will lead to many arguments, we will restrict the forum rules again.

Quoting thehandsom:

so..have the rules changed again?

Quoting caliptrix:

I want to make an offer about religious topics. If someone wants to say something in his mind, he must put a prove such as a reference link that what he says is really in the religion and really related to Turkey. But the reference must be acredited, or at least not provokable, improper and unacceptable. And then he can say what he thinks about that practice or idea without saying as if that religious idea or practice were 'funny'; and the critisizing words must not contain offhand or saucy feelings.

Quoting caliptrix:

But I want to say something to catwoman:
As far as I see, you made comments like this: 'you muslims see every critisize as if they were bad words'. Actually, you (yourself) see the bad words as critics even though everone can see clearly that many of these type posts were trying to say 'what you believe is only stupid, unacceptable, not even thinkable/meaningful/reasonable ideas' even though this ideas are hidden inside of the lines. I am very very serious about this. If the words contain saucy impressions, they can't be told 'critics'.

Quoting caliptrix:

Or let's do this issue like this much more simply: Everyone can post religious texts only;
- without comment
- with the reference if it is an acceptable source about religion
- the ideas if it is really related to Turkey or Turkish culture

Quoting alameda:

I'd like to add to this: no discussion of Turkish delicate internal issues. Turkish ethnic issues, in particular, are difficult to know about and understand. Unless one is Turkish, or at least has spent extensive amount of time there, it's doubtful a constructive and informed opinion is forthcoming. The offering of uninformed opinions just adds confusion and chaos to the situation.

Quote:

A lot of people have left this site, they have either asked to be deleted, or they have just left with no comments. I myself do not come here to get involved in debates on sensitive issues. I came here to learn Turkish language, find out more about Turkish music and food. I do not come here to get into religious debates and political arguments.

Quoting Daydreamer:

......And she just can't let go, can she? For whoever's sake! Wake up girl! This site has changed and your moaning and whining added to it. The result now is that nobody talks about anything. Even you come here to comment only on threads that talk about freedom of speech in this site. If you come here only to learn Turkish and find out about food and music it's your choice. Some people have interests that go beyond kitchen! And you're trying to make everybody talk only about your hobbies. Not really fair, is it? I learn language as well but I don't care about 99 ways of grilling eggplants. Instead, I love exchanging ideas about this world and religions with people from all over the world, people I have no chance of meeting every day. And you're telling me that I should either talk about cooking or not talk at all...that's really low...

Quoting alameda:

I agree with this 100%. There has been way too much posting of things purported to be Islamic by those who know little about the reality. They are posting opinions as the truth. Theological studies are a very complicated subject.

Quoting alameda:

I'd like to add to this: no discussion of Turkish delicate internal issues. Turkish ethnic issues, in particular, are difficult to know about and understand. Unless one is Turkish, or at least has spent extensive amount of time there, it's doubtful a constructive and informed opinion is forthcoming. The offering of uninformed opinions just adds confusion and chaos to the situation.

Quoting alameda:

My post was only up a few minutes before you posted your response. That was not much time to actually read and deliberate on my thoughts.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting teaschip1:

Well of course GG, that all depends has Daydreamer lived in Turkey for more than 3+ years? She may not have met the qualifications to post an opinion.

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Cut it out guys..

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting KeithL:

Maybe I have not read enough threads, but from what I see, whenever Alemeda posts something, the same people find a reason to be critical of her and her post.
I don't think Peacetrain posting a positive statement about Alemeda deserves the kind of response that you posted Tea. From my chair, very rude....

Quoting karpusqueen:

Lighten up everyone and stop using this issue as a stick to beat someone with. I'm sure the site advises that links be posted when appropriate anyway.

Quoting teaschip1:

So why don't you take your own advice and lighten up yourself Peace Train....

Quoting KeithL:

Maybe I have not read enough threads, but from what I see, whenever Alemeda posts something, the same people find a reason to be critical of her and her post.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting thehandsom:

This is a ball; this is a context is; this is islamand close your eyes and support everybody who says 'eshedu enla'; I love google; have a look at this book and learn 'being a moderator for dummies'; This is a web site. We want to learn Turkish

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Cut it out guys..

Quoting teaschip1:

It certainly is GG..it seems to be a continual problem with Keith..double standards. He can attack Israel, but anyone defends Palestein...we are anti-islam and anti-turkish.. If someone tells us to lighten up on Alameda and we clearly have not be critical on this post..but defend ourselves we are being rude...

I really hold little value or respect for such a mod...no kudos here.

Quoting teaschip1:

I really hold little value or respect for such a mod...no kudos here.

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting karpusqueen:

There is absolutely no problem in posting links in order to inform others. It can save a great deal of time in a debate because it negates the need to back up a point 2 or 3 posts later. I don't think people who post links are patronizing those involved in the debate and in fact other members may find the links useful/informative. Lighten up everyone and stop using this issue as a stick to beat someone with. I'm sure the site advises that links be posted when appropriate anyway.

Quoting KeithL:

I have re-read this post multiple times. GG (and anyone else), find me where this thread is anyway rude.
Unlike many posts here that just insert a sarcastic comment, this post actually makes a point. And the lighten up sentence, this was her way of saying play nice. This offends you? I'm sorry but I can't help you...

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting Elisabeth:

OK, I was on holiday for 4 days....nothing has changed...GOOD! Keith arguing with Teas and GG...all is right in the world!

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting xkirstyx:

Always the same people saying the same things, even if I don't come on here for weeks, or months it's still the same people saying same thing!!! Aren't you bored? Don't you know that there is a 3D world out there where you can talk to real people Even if you do use TC this much, can't you change the subject?!?! Change arguing with the same people every time no matter what the subject??!? honestly, you MUST be bored!

Quoting teaschip1:

Why post your opinion alameda if you have little interest in this topic? Doesn't make sense, unless you wanted to get a reaction. But on second thought you stated you didn't care to participate in debating.

For the record, I have taken away more from this site from other classmates regarding various religions & politics than reading a link or googleing.

Quoting xkirstyx:

Always the same people saying the same things, even if I don't come on here for weeks, or months it's still the same people saying same thing!!! Aren't you bored? Don't you know that there is a 3D world out there where you can talk to real people Even if you do use TC this much, can't you change the subject?!?! Change arguing with the same people every time no matter what the subject??!? honestly, you MUST be bored!

Quoting KeithL:

This is where it starts. This thread had been moving along without Teaschip's involvement. Her first post into this thread had nothing to do with the topic being discussed. Her only intent was to jump in and say something negative about Alameda. This is rude and childish behavior.

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting KeithL:

Is DK also allowing double-standards?

Quote:

Unless one is Turkish, or at least has spent extensive amount of time there, it's doubtful a constructive and informed opinion is forthcoming. The offering of uninformed opinions just adds confusion and chaos to the situation.

A lot of people have left this site, they have either asked to be deleted, or they have just left with no comments. I myself do not come here to get involved in debates on sensitive issues. I came here to learn Turkish language, find out more about Turkish music and food. I do not come here to get into religious debates and political arguments.

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Anyway people, this is enough.

1. If you have any complaints about a member, solve it with the person him/herself through PM, or if that doesn't work out you can contact one of the administrators or moderators. We will see what we can do.

2. If you have complaints about a moderator, you can contact one of the administrators and we will discuss with moderator in question.

3. If you have complaints about a specific administrator you can address one of the other two.


Please no public mudfight about who did what and when and who is stubborn, and who does or who does not post and read links, because this way you are never going to find a sollution for it. You will only create a bigger feeling of discontent on the website, which is exactly what we are trying to fight here!


Thank you for your cooperation.

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Please no public mudfight

Quoting Elisabeth:

Even discussing the discussion of religion and politics kicks up a lot of dust! I personally don't find ANYONE being rude....just BORED! Next topic please!

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting teaschip1: Quoting Elisabeth: Even discussing the discussion of religion and politics kicks up a lot of dust! I personally don't find ANYONE being rude....just BORED! Next topic please! Your pick Lis... Hey what about reporter Lis, I miss all of your reports. Where has Femme & Aenigma been? Is Femme still out of the country?

Quoting teaschip1:

Your pick Lis... Hey what about reporter Lis, I miss all of your reports. Where has Femme & Aenigma been? Is Femme still out of the country?

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting Elisabeth: Even discussing the discussion of religion and politics kicks up a lot of dust! I personally don't find ANYONE being rude....just BORED! Next topic please! Your pick Lis... Hey what about reporter Lis, I miss all of your reports. Where has Femme & Aenigma been? Is Femme still out of the country? They found a couple of dudus and are living it up in Marmaris. As far as my TC Enquirer posts, I don't think humor is allowed anymore. I try to post what I am listening to, how I feel, what ticked me off, what made me smile...ect...you know all the non-controversial stuff.

Quoting thehandsom:

I dont think this thread should be locked at all..

Quoting thehandsom:

I dont think this thread should be locked at all..

Quoting thehandsom:

This is a ball; this is a context is; this is islamand close your eyes and support everybody who says 'eshedu enla'; I love google; have a look at this book and learn 'being a moderator for dummies'; This is a web site. We want to learn Turkish

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting girleegirl: Quoting KeithL: Maybe I have not read enough threads, but from what I see, whenever Alemeda posts something, the same people find a reason to be critical of her and her post. I don't think Peacetrain posting a positive statement about Alemeda deserves the kind of response that you posted Tea. From my chair, very rude.... How is it that you would find teas post to be rude but you don't find peace trains to be rude? Quoting karpusqueen: Lighten up everyone and stop using this issue as a stick to beat someone with. I'm sure the site advises that links be posted when appropriate anyway. Quoting teaschip1: So why don't you take your own advice and lighten up yourself Peace Train.... From my chair, a double standard...

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Anyway people, this is enough.

1. If you have any complaints about a member, solve it with the person him/herself through PM, or if that doesn't work out you can contact one of the administrators or moderators. We will see what we can do.

2. If you have complaints about a moderator, you can contact one of the administrators and we will discuss with moderator in question.

3. If you have complaints about a specific administrator you can address one of the other two.


Please no public mudfight about who did what and when and who is stubborn, and who does or who does not post and read links, because this way you are never going to find a sollution for it. You will only create a bigger feeling of discontent on the website, which is exactly what we are trying to fight here!


Thank you for your cooperation.

Quoting karpusqueen:

This thread is getting to look like a kindergarten

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting karpusqueen:

There is absolutely no problem in posting links in order to inform others. It can save a great deal of time in a debate because it negates the need to back up a point 2 or 3 posts later. I don't think people who post links are patronizing those involved in the debate and in fact other members may find the links useful/informative. Lighten up everyone and stop using this issue as a stick to beat someone with. I'm sure the site advises that links be posted when appropriate anyway.

Quoting teaschip1:

I don't believe anyone was being critical about posting links..I firmly stated that I found what people write here more useful than googleing. I don't have a problem with links when it's necessary, however just because a link is posted doesn't necessarily mean it's factual. You must consider the resources.

So why don't you take your own advice and lighten up yourself Peace Train....

Quoting KeithL:

Maybe I have not read enough threads, but from what I see, whenever Alemeda posts something, the same people find a reason to be critical of her and her post.
I don't think Peacetrain posting a positive statement about Alemeda deserves the kind of response that you posted Tea. From my chair, very rude....

Quoting karpusqueen:

I don't see that he is continuously slamming you teas. He is only answering all the questions about a comment he made about you. It simply looks worse than it really is

"Whimpering crap" tut tut shame on you

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting catwoman:

Keith, I cannot find ANYTHING rude in teaship's reply to peace train. I have no idea what it is you think was rude in her post... I think she was extremely clear and polite in what she said. I find it quite unfair to point her out as the example of why some discussions go out of hand, especially when me and many other people see nothing wrong here.

I haven't responded to karpusqueen's post because it just looked to me that she completely didn't get why we complain about some of alameda's links. She's talking about apples, while we talk about oranges. And that's how most of our conversations with them are anyway.

I think I am one of the people you are referring to who comment on alameda's posts. Actually, really, that is just too bad for alameda. I happen to disagree with her a lot and I have a problem with the things she says and the way she says them. I try to tell her what bothers me, but she almost universally doesn't listen and just keeps on talking about her own thing. I am not being unfair to her, I am only saying what I think.
If you are pointing out a group of people "attacking" alameda every time she posts something, I think it's equally important to say that there is a group of people who continuously attack me, girleegirl or handsom whenever we post something. I'm not crying about it though because it just looks like certain people happen to disagree on everything, and that's also the case with me and alameda. So please, try to understand that nobody is being intentionally mean here.

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting KeithL:

Even moderators can disagree. I have discussed this thread with other moderators, so I know there are at least 3 of us agree that the comments by Tea were taken as disrespectful.

Quoting KeithL:

Power trip by the way? Hardly. I have never even considered deleting or closing a thread. My comments were as much as a user than as a mod. But so you know, I would be just as happy at TC to not be a moderator as I am being one. Catwoman knows that at any moment if she feels I am not an appropriate moderator, I will step aside, no questions asked.

Quoting KeithL:

Coming in, I know who my detractors are (I can count them on on one hand), so the hostility does not surprise me, much less bother me.

Find me another thread where a 3rd party jumps in and is only there to insult and not add anything to the discussion and I will tell them as well it is inappropriate.

Quoting KeithL:

let me ask this to the members of whats left of "the gang"

If you are free to be critical of Alameda, why do you cry when I am critical of you??

Quoting girleegirl:

You are so predictable!!! Uhh who had the closest time to 2:55 PM in the TC betting pool on when keith to jump to alameda's defense? Do we have a winner???

I think it is hilarious how people refer to "the gang" as though it were something real!!! It was a joke...it was a group who could lighten up and have some fun!

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Elisabeth:

GG and handsom you owe me 20 dollars...please send it to me in USD..THANKS!!

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting thehandsom: I dont think this thread should be locked at all.. Well İ didnt (yet )

Quoting karpusqueen:

That's what I said . . . lighten up everybody.

Quoting Elisabeth:

GG and handsom you owe me 20 dollars...please send it to me in USD..THANKS!!

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Do you people all really care who is right or wrong?

Quoting karpusqueen:

That's the problem DK . . . people seeing things as black or white, right or wrong. Not everything is so clear cut. There's a great deal of playing around with words on these forums and the situation invariably ends up the same. When you mix all the colours of playdough together and work it, it always ends up a nasty brown colour. That's what we have here sometimes. No I'm not being sanctimonious, I'm being honest about my own and everyone else's behaviour at times.

It's not always a question of right or wrong but opposing views. People are always going to view things differently, depending on the perspective they have. I guess we're all good people underneath but this TC place seems to change our characters.

Quoting vineyards:

Sanctimonious
Aenigma would use this word very often.

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting lady in red:

Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting vineyards: Sanctimonious Aenigma would use this word very often. Yes. I'm really surprized that she managed to really stay away! But I bet she is like the others from the 'old club' who left.. they take a look whats going on here every once in a while

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting vineyards:

Sanctimonious
Aenigma would use this word very often.

Quoting catwoman:

Peacetrain/karpusqueen... it's impossible to respect your views when you always express yourself in this self righteous, condescending way... :-S

Quoting karpusqueen:

Quoting catwoman: