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Turks smoking away despite looming ban
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 12:58 am

A month before the smoking ban takes effect, the latest figures show Turks smoke 15 million packets of cigarettes a day
The government's efforts to limit cigarette smoking and the harm it causes seem to be failing.

Recent figures show the daily consumption of cigarettes in Turkey has reached 15 million packs a month, just one month before a ban comes into effect.

The ban, due to take effect May 19, will outlaw smoking in bars, restaurants, coffee houses and the gardens of schools.

According to official figures, the cigarette industry was one of the few sectors not hurt by the economic crisis in late ‘90s and early 2000. In 1998, cigarette consumption stood at 108.6 billion cigarettes, increasing to 114.4 billion in 1999, 111.7 billion in 2000, 111.8 billion in 2001 and 110 billion in 2002. Since 2003, there has been a downward trend, with consumption dropping to 108.2 billion in 2003, 108.9 billion in 2004, 106.7 billion in 2005, 107.9 billion in 2006 and 107.5 billion in 2007.

The statistics show the annual per capita cigarette consumption is 76.1 packets in Turkey, with a daily consumption rate of 4.2 cigarettes.

While Turks spend YTL 45.2 million ($34.5 million) a day on cigarettes, the state spends YTL 18.1 million ($13.1 million) a day on smoking-related diseases. The health expenditure does not cover private expenditures of individuals, insurance companies or other institutions.

The head of the Regulatory Committee for Tobacco, Tobacco Products and Alcoholic Beverages Market (TAPDK), Kazım Çalışkan, speaking to the Anatolia news agency, said cigarette sales had been consistent in recent years, and noted that once the population increase is taken into account, one could say average consumption had somewhat decreased.

Çalışkan said there was an increase in the consumption of inexpensive cigarettes, sold at prices below YTL 2.5 per packet. “In January, 450 million inexpensive cigarettes were sold. In February, this figure increased to 630 million,” he said, noting that there was a comparable decrease in the sales of more expensive cigarettes.

Consumers are shifting toward cheaper brands, he said. “Some 54.9 of cigarettes sold are cheaper brands,” he added.

Turkish Parliament approved a law on Jan. 3 extending a smoking ban to all bars, restaurants and coffeehouses by mid-2009. The new law will prohibit smoking in all enclosed public areas next year.Smoking on buses, airplanes and large offices is already banned in Turkey, and within on May 19, it will be prohibited on taxis, ferries, trains and some open-air locations such as stadiums and playgrounds.Turkey is the eighth-biggest cigarette market in the world, where nearly 60 percent of male adults are estimated to smoke. The World Health Organization says 80 percent of tobacco-related deaths will occur within a few decades in developing countries like Turkey, as consumption levels off or even falls in mature world markets. China alone accounts for one third of total cigarette consumption.Anti-smoking campaigners hope Turkey's tobacco consumption will fall by at least 10 percent as the ban in public buildings begins next month, and a wider ban takes effect in mid-2009.The government hopes to change European Union candidate Turkey's image as a haven for smokers. "Smoking like a Turk" is a popular phrase used for heavy smokers in some Western countries.

source:Turkish Daily News

2.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 07:10 pm

I am not sure you will convince Turks to stop smoking even when the ban goes into affect. I can't even imagine a Turk telling another Turk to please stop smoking because there is a ban. It just doesn't seem likely to me.

3.       geniuda
1070 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 08:05 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

I can't even imagine a Turk telling another Turk to please stop smoking because there is a ban


right, especially when most turks smoke. As a general rule, a non-smoker will advise a smoker to quit. But what happens when most of your friends smoke? I see it this way with most turks. All my turkish friends smoke, including female friends..I dont think this new law will take any effect on turkish smokers any sooner

4.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 08:10 pm

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting Elisabeth:

I can't even imagine a Turk telling another Turk to please stop smoking because there is a ban. It just doesn't seem likely to me.


right, especially when most of turks smoke. As a general rule, a non-smoker will advise a smoker to quit. But what happens when most of your friends smoke? I see it this way with most turks..all my turkish friends smoke, including female friends..I dont think this new law will take any effect on turkish smokers any sooner



I just was thinking about how Turks pride themselves on hospitality. It would seem to me that to ask someone to put out a cigarette would be very inhospitable. To make a guest uncomfortable, whether it is in your home, your restaurant, your taxi...goes very much against the grain. But who knows? That is just my personal experience and opinion. Maybe they will jump all over that non-smoking thing...hahaha

5.       geniuda
1070 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 08:24 pm

That reminds me of when I went to Turkey and found out that it was so normal to smoke anywhere..I remember the first night I went out for dinner with my turkish friends.. ohh gosh! I could see clouds of smoke all over the restaurant and I asked them if we could sit on a non-smoking area.. they looked at me with a funny look and said, there is not non-smoking areas in this place..We went upstairs coz the place was packed, this was even worst but I had to deal with the fact of breathing polluted air while having dinner.. it was just terrible!! and it was the same in most eating places we went to...

I couldnt make my friends stop smoking while I was in Turkey, not even for a couple of hours and when I got back home and opened my luggage.. gosh! all my clothes smelled like cigarrete..yuuuck!

6.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 09:00 pm

In Germany is the same. In German restaurants you are welcome to share the same table with others. (That is a German custom. Definitely not in England and USA). - - Here Germans and Turks have the same habit of smoking at the dinner table. Old customs won't change. At least they don't smoke in the planes anymore.

7.       teaschip
3870 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 03:13 am

I agree not smoking in enclosed public spaces, but my god a bar...that's ridiculous. People who don't even smoke, sometimes have a cigy with a beer. I know here even in the VFW halls, private veterans of war clubs the same thing anti smoking. These people have raised a fit..if it's a private club, the owner should be able to make that decision. Again, another example of how the goverment is slowly taking our rights away.

8.       KeithL
1455 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 03:33 am

I know smokers hate this law but as a non-smoker, I am thankful for it. So nice to stop in for a beer and not have to worry about dry-cleaning your suit or whatever clothes you are wearing....

9.       teaschip
3870 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 03:54 am

I don't think smokers hate this law, I think it's common respect to not smoke around non-smokers. Where I have a problem is where the government intercepts and places conditions on PRIVATE bars and clubs. We are going through a nanny era, where the government thinks they need to require us to wear a seat belt, wear a bike helmet etc..now smoking. What next? Our rights are being taken away right before us. Whether it directly affects you or not it's reality.

10.       catwoman
8933 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 04:25 am

Quoting teaschip:

I don't think smokers hate this law, I think it's common respect to not smoke around non-smokers.


I think they do hate it. Except in the US, it's commonplace for people to smoke in offices and inside public places. So in TR, I'm sure people hate it.

Quoting teaschip:

Where I have a problem is where the government intercepts and places conditions on PRIVATE bars and clubs. We are going through a nanny era, where the government thinks they need to require us to wear a seat belt, wear a bike helmet etc..now smoking. What next? Our rights are being taken away right before us. Whether it directly affects you or not it's reality.


+100000000000000

11.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 10:29 am

I'm what we call a "recycled virgin" when it comes to smoking as I quit in January. Still, I find it unfair for government to ban people form smoking in, like Teas said it, private clubs and pubs. I do understand that smoking is unhealthy but that's why cigarettes are sold to adults able to make a reasonable decision about their health.

I quite liked the idea of separate rooms in pubs and restaurants for smokers and non-smokers as I can understand that non-smokers hate the cigarette reek. Banning smoking everywhere seems unfair. And I doubt it will ever be respected in Turkey - I was shocked to see Turks smoke everywhere. I also remember astonished expression on a waiter's face when I asked him if I could smoke in the restaurant I was having dinner in. His face couldn't believe somebody might ask about it

12.       dkaraduman
3 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 08:42 am

I'm shocked that Turkey would bring in such a rule. even though i hate smoking and like going out and not coming home smelling like smoke, its part of turkish culture almost. when i was there in 2006 i was amazed to see salesmen in a store inside a major shopping centre smoking.

13.       Capoeira
575 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 02:30 pm

Quoting KeithL:

I know smokers hate this law but as a non-smoker, I am thankful for it. So nice to stop in for a beer and not have to worry about dry-cleaning your suit or whatever clothes you are wearing....



I SOOO AGREE WITH YOU! Living in Turkey means that as a non-smoker I inhale an enormous amount of second hand smoke. Even in the school where I work there isn't one non-smoking place except the classroom. They tried to make the staff room smoke free and that lasted an entire 2hours! So I can't wait for the law to take effect. I am sick of smelling like a pack, i am sick of inhaling smoke everywhere i go. And I do ask people who smoke next to me to put out their cigs or blow their smoke in another direction...they are less than happy to comply! So Right on to the Turkish Gov. on this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I doubt it will be easy...but it's a start!!!!

14.       soulshine
37 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 05:21 pm

I live in the u.k where we have a smoking ban in public places. I think this a great idea and I am a smoker. I dont see why others should be made to suffer because of my bad habit. If out at resturants and bars if I want to smoke I simply step outside. And now many resturants and bars provide a seating area outside with patio heaters and blankets so us smokers dont get cold. It hasn't stopped me smoking but I do smoke less when I am out. I would never dream of lighting up a cigarette in the home of non smokers.

15.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 06:57 pm

If the ban is meant to make people quit smoking, it is rather useless. People who are addict will either just go outside the bar to smoke, or they wont come at all. I know I wouldnt when the weather is cold!

I suggest seperate areas for smokers, and they can make a special ventilation system. They have them in some places here, but they are rather noisy. Let them technicians work some more to create a silent havalandırma, so we can have our smoke and you your beer!

16.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 07:02 pm

Quoting soulshine:



I would never smoke in the house of a non-smoker either, nor would I mind if someone next to me in my lunchbreak at work, asks me to put off my cigarette or blow the other way.

Another reason I am against this ban: the patio heaters!!! There has been an investigation and those patio heaters are even worse than cars for the environment. I cant remember the figures, but it was quite shocking!

17.       soulshine
37 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 07:10 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting soulshine:



I would never smoke in the house of a non-smoker either, nor would I mind if someone next to me in my lunchbreak at work, asks me to put off my cigarette or blow the other way.

Another reason I am against this ban: the patio heaters!!! There has been an investigation and those patio heaters are even worse than cars for the environment. I cant remember the figures, but it was quite shocking!



I read that also that the patio heaters are destroying the environment .... That is something else they can work on. Environmentally safe patio heaters.

18.       magnadea
0 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 08:03 pm

Quoting soulshine:

I read that also that the patio heaters are destroying the environment .... That is something else they can work on. Environmentally safe patio heaters.



Ah dear sweet soulshine, the reason they are not environmentally safe is merely that you are trying to heat the outdoors so you are wasting energy. The only enviro-friendly patio heater is the sunshine

Quoting catwoman:

Except in the US, it's commonplace for people to smoke in offices and inside public places. So in TR, I'm sure people hate it.



Where on earth did you get this idea from? Most of western europe has banned smoking in offices for years, long before the ban on smoking in all public places.

19.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 08:41 pm

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting soulshine:

I read that also that the patio heaters are destroying the environment .... That is something else they can work on. Environmentally safe patio heaters.



Ah dear sweet soulshine, the reason they are not environmentally safe is merely that you are trying to heat the outdoors so you are wasting energy. The only enviro-friendly patio heater is the sunshine

Quoting catwoman:

Except in the US, it's commonplace for people to smoke in offices and inside public places. So in TR, I'm sure people hate it.



Where on earth did you get this idea from? Most of western europe has banned smoking in offices for years, long before the ban on smoking in all public places.



Hi magnadea,

As the head of the welcome committee I would like to say:
My greatest and warmest welcome to you!!!!

Please join the conversation!

Feel free to explore the site.

Uncover cool stories and news and participate in lively and friendly discussions that will force you to think about Turkey and other subjects .

Be inspired, post something , and stake your place in the realm of turkish class.

And make sure you dont give any of your private information to anybody. Specially your msn..

If you have any further queries, you can contact me anytime with private messaging service, which is on the right top corner.. lol

20.       magnadea
0 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:30 pm

Thank you very much for the warm welcome and advice thehandsom

You are very diligent in your duties and I see you wasted no time in sending me a PM

I look forward to discovering more about Turkey!

21.       KeithL
1455 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:32 pm

Quoting magnadea:

You are very diligent in your duties and I see you wasted no time in sending me a PM



lol lol lol lol lol lol

22.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:34 pm

Quoting magnadea:

Thank you very much for the warm welcome and advice thehandsom

You are very diligent in your duties and I see you wasted no time in spending me a PM



Now THAT is our handsome!


lol

23.       KeithL
1455 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:35 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting magnadea:

Thank you very much for the warm welcome and advice thehandsom

You are very diligent in your duties and I see you wasted no time in spending me a PM



Now THAT is our handsome!
lol



Who is daydreamer????

24.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:47 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Who is daydreamer????



Yes Who is she




25.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:58 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting magnadea:

Thank you very much for the warm welcome and advice thehandsom

You are very diligent in your duties and I see you wasted no time in spending me a PM


Now THAT is our handsome!
lol


Oh God
She is not very secretive..is she?
I guess, she does not know PMs are secret things..

26.       lady in red
6947 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 11:59 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting soulshine:

I read that also that the patio heaters are destroying the environment .... That is something else they can work on. Environmentally safe patio heaters.



Ah dear sweet soulshine, the reason they are not environmentally safe is merely that you are trying to heat the outdoors so you are wasting energy. The only enviro-friendly patio heater is the sunshine

Quoting catwoman:

Except in the US, it's commonplace for people to smoke in offices and inside public places. So in TR, I'm sure people hate it.



Where on earth did you get this idea from? Most of western europe has banned smoking in offices for years, long before the ban on smoking in all public places.



Hi magnadea,

As the head of the welcome committee I would like to say:
My greatest and warmest welcome to you!!!!

Please join the conversation!

Feel free to explore the site.

Uncover cool stories and news and participate in lively and friendly discussions that will force you to think about Turkey and other subjects .

Be inspired, post something , and stake your place in the realm of turkish class.

And make sure you dont give any of your private information to anybody. Specially your msn..

If you have any further queries, you can contact me anytime with private messaging service, which is on the right top corner.. lol



Look - I know I appointed you head of the welcoming commitee but I think you are getting a bit carried away here! The power is clearly going to your head!

27.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 21 Apr 2008 Mon 09:33 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting KeithL:

Who is daydreamer????



Yes Who is she



She's a ...no, that's not it. A...no...not this one either. Well...it escapes definition

28.       catwoman
8933 posts
 21 Apr 2008 Mon 09:52 am

Quoting magnadea:

Where on earth did you get this idea from? Most of western europe has banned smoking in offices for years, long before the ban on smoking in all public places.


I probably got this idea from the rest of the western europe that didn't ban it yet.

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