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1.       mutlu101
103 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 06:34 pm

When I use the on-line dictionary a word may have many translations, for example "bırakmak".
There is a long list of meanings...below I've copied the first few.
1. /ı, da/ to leave (something, someone) (in) (a place); /ı, a/ to leave (someone, something) with (someone), leave (someone, something) in the care of (someone).
2. /ı, a/ to leave, put (something, someone) on or in (a place).
3. /ı/ to let go of, stop holding: Beni bırak! Let go of me!
4. /ı/ to leave, abandon, desert.

My question is this..
What do the "/ı, da/" mean? (I told you it was a stupid question).
If I wanted to say someone was leaving someone would I add the "da" at the end of the word and remove the "mak" like this.... "bırakda"??

THANKS in advance for explaining this to me.

2.       sonunda
5004 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 06:38 pm

No questions are stupid if they help you learn!
The i or da refer to the suffixes taken by the object of the verb but I will leave it to the true grammarians to explain fully!

3.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 06:43 pm

Quoting mutlu101:

When I use the on-line dictionary a word may have many translations, for example "bırakmak".
There is a long list of meanings...below I've copied the first few.
1. /ı, da/ to leave (something, someone) (in) (a place); /ı, a/ to leave (someone, something) with (someone), leave (someone, something) in the care of (someone).
2. /ı, a/ to leave, put (something, someone) on or in (a place).
3. /ı/ to let go of, stop holding: Beni bırak! Let go of me!
4. /ı/ to leave, abandon, desert.

My question is this..
What do the "/ı, da/" mean? (I told you it was a stupid question).
If I wanted to say someone was leaving someone would I add the "da" at the end of the word and remove the "mak" like this.... "bırakda"??

THANKS in advance for explaining this to me.



Definitely not a stupid question!

The ending doesn't go on "bırak" but on the word that is the object of bırakmak.

e.g.
ı
çantamı bıraktım: I left my bag

da
çantamı sınıfta bıraktım: I left my bag in the classroom

e
çantamı anneme bıraktım: I left my bag with my mum

It is VERY useful, as often Turkish uses a different logic from English. I find these helpers in the dictionary useful when I can't remember which ending we use with a particular verb

e.g. dan korkmak

In English we are afraid of something, while in Turkish we are afraid from something.

4.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 06:44 pm

Probably you think you show your lowliness. But you should remember that there are many questions like this. If you say this is a stupidity, it sounds like you say these learners are stupid. For that reason, just try to be normal please.

5.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 06:45 pm

PS My teachers always used to say "No question is a stupid question. If you are wondering about it, there are probably at least 2 or 3 other students thinking the same thing, but who don't have the courage you have to ask the question"

6.       lady in red
6947 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 06:52 pm

And what's that Turkish proverb? - Bilmemek ayıp değil, oğrenmemek (or sometimes 'sormamak') ayıp.

7.       mutlu101
103 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 06:56 pm

Quoting caliptrix:

Probably you think you show your lowliness. But you should remember that there are many questions like this. If you say this is a stupidity, it sounds like you say these learners are stupid. For that reason, just try to be normal please.



Actually I don't think I am "low" at all, just a new learner. And I certainly did not mean to imply that anyone on this forum is stupid!! If I offended you, I'm sorry.

8.       mutlu101
103 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 06:59 pm

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

PS My teachers always used to say "No question is a stupid question. If you are wondering about it, there are probably at least 2 or 3 other students thinking the same thing, but who don't have the courage you have to ask the question"



Marion, I've heard that too.....
I'm normally not afraid to ask a question even if I think it sounds silly.... I certainly hope I didn't offend Caliptrix my referring to MY question as stupid. Oh well....

Thanks to everyone for their insight. I do enjoy learning the details of this language.

Hope you all have a good day.

9.       soulshine
37 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 08:46 pm

I'm glad you asked that question, I was wondering that too, just never got around to asking .... Thanks for that

10.       mutlu101
103 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 10:07 pm

I'm glad it helped someone else too.... have a good day.

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