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01 May 2008 Thu 01:39 am |
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What is the life philosophy or way of life or approach of the western women about the education, occupation, family, employment status, living situation, Political view, economic sufficiency, religion, happiness, success, friendship and marriage?
Are moral and family and humanistic values vanishing in the west? Are they becoming materialist? I don't think so...What is your opinion?
PS.Türkiye's culture is conservative in general.
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01 May 2008 Thu 11:19 am |
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Quoting yilgun-7: What is the life philosophy or way of life or approach of the western women about the education, occupation, family, employment status, living situation, Political view, economic sufficiency, religion, happiness, success, friendship and marriage? |
You don't think it's possible to answer, do you? 
There is not a uniform way of life for western women. Some go for careers, some for family, some for both. There are many well-educated women but there are also women with only the compulsory education. Some women's goal is to have a family, some don't consider it important. Some are liberal, some conservative. Some religious, some not. Some are happy and some miserable. As for marriage...well..I don't know a single woman who was forced to marry (even if they were pregnant) but I can't speak for all Western Women. But I know a couple of guys who had to marry a girl after they knocked her up 
Sorry Yilgun, your question is way too broad to answer.
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01 May 2008 Thu 12:26 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7: What is the life philosophy or way of life or approach of the western women about the education, occupation, family, employment status, living situation, Political view, economic sufficiency, religion, happiness, success, friendship and marriage? |
WHAT A QUESTION? 
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01 May 2008 Thu 01:16 pm |
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There is no ONE answer to your question Yilgun, because, of course, we are free to do whatever we choose.
How might YOU answer the question "What is the life philosophy or way of life or approach of Eastern men about the education, occupation, family, employment status, living situation, Political view, economic sufficiency, religion, happiness, success, friendship and marriage? " ??? 
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01 May 2008 Thu 01:18 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: But I know a couple of guys who had to marry a girl after they knocked her up |
But why? Does this still happen or are you older than I thought and this occured during the 1950s? 
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01 May 2008 Thu 01:36 pm |
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Quoting hanan: Quoting yilgun-7: What is the life philosophy or way of life or approach of the western women about the education, occupation, family, employment status, living situation, Political view, economic sufficiency, religion, happiness, success, friendship and marriage? |
WHAT A QUESTION? |
 I was just going to say the same!!!
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01 May 2008 Thu 01:45 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting Daydreamer: But I know a couple of guys who had to marry a girl after they knocked her up |
But why? Does this still happen or are you older than I thought and this occured during the 1950s? |
I'm a bit too young to remember the 50s but I come from Poland and, you know, the pope was Polish, Poles are 89% Catholic and blah blah blah...some men just can't handle the pressure
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01 May 2008 Thu 06:50 pm |
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We are what we choose to be. Our lifestyle is our own destiny and it is not tied to a father, brother, or husband. Our fate is only limited to our abilities and determination. In other words yilgun....we are what we say we are.
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01 May 2008 Thu 07:08 pm |
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your husband lets you talk this way??? what a bed woman you are!
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01 May 2008 Thu 07:25 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: your husband lets you talk this way??? what a bed woman you are! |
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01 May 2008 Thu 07:53 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: your husband lets you talk this way??? what a bed woman you are! |
ohh please don't scare me!!! 
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01 May 2008 Thu 08:09 pm |
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Quoting geniuda: Quoting KeithL: your husband lets you talk this way??? what a bed woman you are! |
ohh please don't scare me!!!
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Geniuda....run! run far! fun fast!
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01 May 2008 Thu 09:50 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7: What is the life philosophy or way of life or approach of the western women about the education, occupation, family, employment status, living situation, Political view, economic sufficiency, religion, happiness, success, friendship and marriage? |
Most women are able to choose -
*Education - university and good careers are there for the taking, but some girls (I say girls at this stage) would rather leave school at 16 and lead a chotic lifestyle have children but more than one father
*Occupation - many occupations are open to women if they wish to pursue but above points also counts! No occupation apart from deliver children!
*Family - some have strong ties other weak and if they want chilren, again they can keep their career if they wish or descend into the depths of despair and live off social security
*Employment - see occupations
*Living situation - many live single lives, with a boyfriend at a distance, many own their own homes or live with their parents - the choice is there
*Polictical view - we all have one!
*Economic sufficiency - see occupations and living situation
*Religion - varies greatly, depending on your background or your lifestyle. Of course in the UK we have all the religions you could ever imagine!
*Happiness - can't answer that one, depends on so many other factors
*Success - same as above
*Friendship - most women have as many male friends as female friends with no ties, meaning they wont have sex with the male friends (or the females ones
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*Marriage - is a becoming less common, with one in three becoming divorce. Living together is more common really and less problematic. You can make rules before just like a marriage. And of course we have same sex partnerships in the UK now so that the relationship has the same legal binding as a marriage.
You forgot to mention sex - an important part of any womans life, married or not!!
All of the above relates to the UK and is mostly my opinion, and not necessarily fact. Other women from the UK might have a different opinion. (That is my disclaimer
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01 May 2008 Thu 10:24 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7: What is the life philosophy or way of life or approach of the western women about the education, occupation, family, employment status, living situation, Political view, economic sufficiency, religion, happiness, success, friendship and marriage? |
Women in the U.S.
Education: Education is just as important to women as it is to men. Your class rooms are filled with females seeking careers.
Occupation: Women can hold any occupation a man can..from Doctors, lawyers, astronauts,executives to construction workers.
Family: Some families still have the every Sunday dinner with their relatives. Then you have families who are so busy with their kids in sports, that carry out is their means of sitting down at a kitchen table. Holidays are spent with family and friends typically by most Americans. I don't think we value family the same way as other countries may.
Employment Status: Unemployment is extremely low in the U.S., heck McDonalds is hiring down the street for $10.00 an hour. Women today still have careers and families. The cost of daycare also is an indicator to some women whether holding a job or staying at home is a better option.
Living Situation: Women are very independant, if their single they may rent an apartment, own a condo or even a house. They leave home at the age of 18-21 to attend school and either live in a dorm on campus or an apartment with a friend. Some who are involved in relationships will live in "SIN" as my mother would say.
Political View: Various political views. "Fox & Friends"
Success, happiness, friendship & marriage: You can lump these all together, they all have some relevance to eachother.
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01 May 2008 Thu 11:24 pm |
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Quoting teaschip: Quoting yilgun-7: What is the life philosophy or way of life or approach of the western women about the education, occupation, family, employment status, living situation, Political view, economic sufficiency, religion, happiness, success, friendship and marriage? |
Women in the U.S.
Education: Education is just as important to women as it is to men. Your class rooms are filled with females seeking careers.
Occupation: Women can hold any occupation a man can..from Doctors, lawyers, astronauts,executives to construction workers.
Family: Some families still have the every Sunday dinner with their relatives. Then you have families who are so busy with their kids in sports, that carry out is their means of sitting down at a kitchen table. Holidays are spent with family and friends typically by most Americans. I don't think we value family the same way as other countries may.
Employment Status: Unemployment is extremely low in the U.S., heck McDonalds is hiring down the street for $10.00 an hour. Women today still have careers and families. The cost of daycare also is an indicator to some women whether holding a job or staying at home is a better option.
Living Situation: Women are very independant, if their single they may rent an apartment, own a condo or even a house. They leave home at the age of 18-21 to attend school and either live in a dorm on campus or an apartment with a friend. Some who are involved in relationships will live in 'SIN' as my mother would say.
Political View: Various political views. 'Fox & Friends'
Success, happiness, friendship & marriage: You can lump these all together, they all have some relevance to eachother. |
No sex? 
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01 May 2008 Thu 11:39 pm |
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Some of us are still a little shy.... 
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02 May 2008 Fri 12:06 am |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Some of us are still a little shy.... |
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02 May 2008 Fri 12:20 am |
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I think the main difference is that western women seem to be more confident, less obedient and more feminist (even if they are scared shitless of labeling themselves as feminist) then "eastern" women. Most of them at least.
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02 May 2008 Fri 11:28 am |
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Quoting catwoman: I think the main difference is that western women seem to be more confident, less obedient and more feminist (even if they are scared shitless of labeling themselves as feminist) then "eastern" women. Most of them at least. |
More confident, less obedient.....Paris Hilton springs to mind 
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02 May 2008 Fri 11:33 am |
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Quoting bydand: Quoting catwoman: I think the main difference is that western women seem to be more confident, less obedient and more feminist (even if they are scared shitless of labeling themselves as feminist) then "eastern" women. Most of them at least. |
More confident, less obedient.....Paris Hilton springs to mind |
Yeah yeah .... and all western men are like Forest Gump! 
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02 May 2008 Fri 02:06 pm |
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Quoting bydand:
More confident, less obedient.....Paris Hilton springs to mind |
A WOMAN who was trafficked across the border from Pakistan with her son, 3, was handed to an Afghan who raped her, then beat the toddler to death as she watched.
He was jailed for 20 years for murder - but the woman, Rukhma, was jailed, too.
She had put up with her mistreatment for three months before going to authorities.
But in December, Rukhma, who doesn't know her age but looks younger than 20, was given a four-year sentence for adultery and "escaping her house" in Pakistan.
The Taliban's fall six years ago heralded new rights for women: to go to school or get a job.
Their rights are now enshrined in the constitution.
But except for a small urban elite, a woman fleeing domestic violence or accusing a man of rape herself often ends up seen as the guilty party.
"Why am I here? I'm innocent," Rukhma said, crying in a musty cell and cradling a baby daughter she bore in jail.
"It is cruel to have your son killed before your eyes and then to be imprisoned."
In parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan, a woman who runs away is typically suspected of having taken a lover and can be prosecuted for adultery.
Leaving home without family permission may be deemed an offence.
The chief prosecutor of eastern Nangarhar province, who oversaw Rukhma's case, suggested she got off lightly.
"If my wife goes to the bazaar without my permission, I will kill her. This is our culture," Abdul Qayum shouted scornfully.
His colleagues laughed approvingly. "This is Afghanistan, not America," Mr Qayum said.
Kamala Janakiram, a UN human rights officer, said that in 70 to 80 per cent of cases she has seen, a woman complaining of domestic violence is charged as a criminal.
The UN Office on Drugs and Crime said many victims are forced to marry attackers or jailed for adultery, as proving rape is virtually impossible.
Women can end up in prison simply on the basis of gossip, said Manizha Naderi, director of Women for Afghan Women.
Fear of returning to a violent spouse drives some women to suicide.
Rukhma is still hoping an appeal will free her.
Prosecutor Qayum in unrepentant: "She spent several nights with the man. She committed adultery. It was rape, but the woman is also guilty."
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02 May 2008 Fri 04:40 pm |
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Quoting bydand: Quoting catwoman: I think the main difference is that western women seem to be more confident, less obedient and more feminist (even if they are scared shitless of labeling themselves as feminist) then "eastern" women. Most of them at least. |
More confident, less obedient.....Paris Hilton springs to mind |
Possibly, this is all you know or are interested in. Thank you for reminding me to add the comment that western men are not any less fucked up then eastern men!!! Patriarchy is certainly very well preserved here.
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02 May 2008 Fri 07:10 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting bydand: Quoting catwoman: I think the main difference is that western women seem to be more confident, less obedient and more feminist (even if they are scared shitless of labeling themselves as feminist) then "eastern" women. Most of them at least. |
More confident, less obedient.....Paris Hilton springs to mind |
Possibly, this is all you know or are interested in. Thank you for reminding me to add the comment that western men are not any less fucked up then eastern men!!! Patriarchy is certainly very well preserved here. |
excellent comment cat, men all over the world are as we say in latin america "cut with the same pair of siccsors" they all have the same in their heads .... and yes i call myself a feminist, i love having all my rights and doing what i want, and that doesn't mean i'm "Paris Hilton type-of-girl"... i just happen to have a life that God gave me, and the fact that i'm a girl won't change the way i have to live it...so that means i'm more confident (too much i have to say) and less obedient (yeah, i only obey to myself hehe)... ...
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02 May 2008 Fri 08:05 pm |
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Quoting KemAle: men all over the world are as we say in latin america "cut with the same pair of siccsors" they all have the same in their heads .... ... |
funny, but I think most of us, Latin American women, have said this phrase "men are cut with the same pair of scissors"... at least once in our lives 
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02 May 2008 Fri 09:16 pm |
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My type of girl!!! 
Kudos to you canim!  |
çok teşekkürler cat!... women rule!!
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02 May 2008 Fri 09:25 pm |
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I am sorry to say but IT IS NOT TRUE.
And will you stop spreading these 'strange' ideas please!!
We are sooo happy what we have.
You wont be able to kill our desire for submissive women..OK?
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02 May 2008 Fri 11:10 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
I am sorry to say but IT IS NOT TRUE.
And will you stop spreading these 'strange' ideas please!!
We are sooo happy what we have.
You wont be able to kill our desire for submissive women..OK? |
OK, handsom, don't get your hair in a knot!
My grandmother used to have a saying, "All men are the same, some just have nicer faces!" I guess the same could be said for anyone, man or woman, but it makes me laugh to think of her saying it. In reality, I have known a few wonderful and enlightened men...though they have been few and far between. I have a little boy and I hope when he grows up, he is one of the enlightened ones.
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03 May 2008 Sat 12:03 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: You wont be able to kill our desire for submissive women..OK? |
There is a well respected theory that the desire for submissive women is tightly correlated with the men's psychological insecurities, lack of sexual performance skills, lack of healthy self esteem, unresolved childhood issues... and so on... :-S (really nothing to publicly announce Mr. handsom...)
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03 May 2008 Sat 12:17 am |
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Quoting KemAle: Quoting catwoman: Quoting bydand: Quoting catwoman: I think the main difference is that western women seem to be more confident, less obedient and more feminist (even if they are scared shitless of labeling themselves as feminist) then "eastern" women. Most of them at least. |
More confident, less obedient.....Paris Hilton springs to mind |
Possibly, this is all you know or are interested in. Thank you for reminding me to add the comment that western men are not any less fucked up then eastern men!!! Patriarchy is certainly very well preserved here. |
excellent comment cat, men all over the world are as we say in latin america "cut with the same pair of siccsors" they all have the same in their heads .... and yes i call myself a feminist, i love having all my rights and doing what i want, and that doesn't mean i'm "Paris Hilton type-of-girl"... i just happen to have a life that God gave me, and the fact that i'm a girl won't change the way i have to live it...so that means i'm more confident (too much i have to say) and less obedient (yeah, i only obey to myself hehe)... ... |
OMG I seem to have hit a raw nerve with my frivolous remark about Paris Hilton However Yilgun has maybe had some of his queries answered.
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03 May 2008 Sat 12:46 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
There is a well respected theory that the desire for submissive women is tightly correlated with the men's psychological insecurities, lack of sexual performance skills, lack of healthy self esteem, unresolved childhood issues... and so on... :-S (really nothing to publicly announce Mr. handsom...) |
Handsom got a blue fatal error screen after this comment.
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03 May 2008 Sat 01:13 am |
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Quoting bydand: OMG I seem to have hit a raw nerve with my frivolous remark about Paris Hilton However Yilgun has maybe had some of his queries answered. |
You simply may have forgotten to take your medication, that's all.
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03 May 2008 Sat 02:55 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting bydand: OMG I seem to have hit a raw nerve with my frivolous remark about Paris Hilton However Yilgun has maybe had some of his queries answered. |
You simply may have forgotten to take your medication, that's all. |
Thanks for your concern catwoman but I can assure you that my better half administers my medication regularly.
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03 May 2008 Sat 09:50 am |
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Quoting tamikidakika:
Handsom got a blue fatal error screen after this comment. |
Why should I?
It is a well known fact that behind all those sayings about freedom, equality and blah blah, all feminists want one thing which is to be on the top.
Even Simone de Beauvoir, apperantly, confessed that before she died.
I remember reading this survey a couple of weeks ago about women who call themselves feminists. it was found that 60 % of them were hairy, 76% of did have short legs, 84 % did have small boobs, 96% of them did not have a partner at the time of survey.
No wonder why they are so bitter!!
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03 May 2008 Sat 11:10 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
I remember reading this survey a couple of weeks ago about women who call themselves feminists. it was found that 60 % of them were hairy, 76% of did have short legs, 84 % did have small boobs, 96% of them did not have a partner at the time of survey.
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No wonder you think so, but then...you have never met me
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03 May 2008 Sat 11:24 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer:
you have never met me |
But daydreamer, I keep trying but you keep resisting to my advances..
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03 May 2008 Sat 11:44 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Daydreamer:
you have never met me |
But daydreamer, I keep trying but you keep resisting to my advances.. |
Uzulme...inan, it's for your own good
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03 May 2008 Sat 05:32 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Uzulme...inan, it's for your own good
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03 May 2008 Sat 10:21 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: You wont be able to kill our desire for submissive women..OK? |
There is a well respected theory that the desire for submissive women is tightly correlated with the men's psychological insecurities, lack of sexual performance skills, lack of healthy self esteem, unresolved childhood issues... and so on... :-S (really nothing to publicly announce Mr. handsom...) |
bravo!!... just bravo!!!
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03 May 2008 Sat 10:30 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting thehandsom:
I remember reading this survey a couple of weeks ago about women who call themselves feminists. it was found that 60 % of them were hairy, 76% of did have short legs, 84 % did have small boobs, 96% of them did not have a partner at the time of survey.
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No wonder you think so, but then...you have never met me |
hahahaha...never met me either, i am gorgeous, tall, great curvy latin body, and i have boyfriend... (and many wanting to be)... and yeah i'm a feminist!... maybe is my confidence what makes men interested... anyway regarding gender, lack of confidence makes people wants a submissive partner... to make their egos higher and feel superior... well is just my opninion, and i'm not generalizing... in the other hand, yes there are few men that are good men and pass the test but this is rare and probably they are taken (maybe by a confident dominatrix) hahaha...
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03 May 2008 Sat 11:18 pm |
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Quoting KemAle: Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting thehandsom:
I remember reading this survey a couple of weeks ago about women who call themselves feminists. it was found that 60 % of them were hairy, 76% of did have short legs, 84 % did have small boobs, 96% of them did not have a partner at the time of survey.
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No wonder you think so, but then...you have never met me |
hahahaha...never met me either, i am gorgeous, tall, great curvy latin body, and i have boyfriend... (and many wanting to be)... |
Maybe you should change your nick to 'thebeautiful' KemAle!
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03 May 2008 Sat 11:49 pm |
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Quoting KemAle: hahahaha...never met me either, i am gorgeous, tall, great curvy latin body, and i have boyfriend... (and many wanting to be)... and yeah i'm a feminist!... maybe is my confidence what makes men interested... anyway regarding gender, lack of confidence makes people wants a submissive partner... to make their egos higher and feel superior... well is just my opninion, and i'm not generalizing... in the other hand, yes there are few men that are good men and pass the test but this is rare and probably they are taken (maybe by a confident dominatrix) hahaha... |
Too bad that you are taken because I am deeply in love with you!!!
(it is well known that men feel intimidated by strong women, so it's clear that these men have low self esteem and feel inadequate, therefore need a partner who would not dare to challenge them in anything. so what they do is convince themselves that feminists are hairy and angry to demonize them and dismiss their rational arguments before even listening to any of it, because they know that they have no chance to win.
handsom - does this ring a bell? )
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03 May 2008 Sat 11:51 pm |
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Quoting lady in red: Maybe you should change your nick to 'thebeautiful' KemAle! |
No no LIR , it should be thebeautifu!
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04 May 2008 Sun 12:16 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting lady in red: Maybe you should change your nick to 'thebeautiful' KemAle! |
No no LIR , it should be thebeautifu! |
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04 May 2008 Sun 12:27 am |
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Quoting lady in red: Quoting catwoman: Quoting lady in red: Maybe you should change your nick to 'thebeautiful' KemAle! |
No no LIR , it should be thebeautifu! |
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You think you are funny..eh?
  
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04 May 2008 Sun 12:48 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting lady in red: Quoting catwoman: Quoting lady in red: Maybe you should change your nick to 'thebeautiful' KemAle! |
No no LIR , it should be thebeautifu! |
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You think you are funny..eh?
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how about "TheGorgeous"??....hahahahaha
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04 May 2008 Sun 01:17 am |
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first thank you cat!! and second, we should definitely write a book! that is an awesome post!!! some men can just not stand the fact of having a partner that is "more" succesfull, good looking, or intelligent than them, just because they are afraid to feel "less" than her, not realizing that "succes", "good looks" and "intelligence" are probably what makes them a good partner, and probably will help them to raise their own expectations about themseleves and off course become better human beings... There's nothing better than a man that approaches a girl with the enough confidence to know he can conquer her heart, and not being intimidated by anything of her... and yes you are right, men that think feminists as hairy and angry are probably men that have low self steem and still believe women have to be always under... not realizing we are the ones that give birth, take care of house, have a career, raise kids, take care of them and our partner, help them and support them in everything they need, help them take important decissions (this list could actually go on and on)... is not that men doesn't have their own tasks in life, but ours are more meaningful and underestimated... :-S ... i just enjoy when men are wise enough to understand men and women are the same... and to finish my post is not like us women (or feminists women) think that macho-men are hairy or baldies or angry or calm, or big or small or anything.... we just don't think in this kind of things... we have more interesting things to think about 
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04 May 2008 Sun 03:11 am |
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Quoting KemAle: first thank you cat!! and second, we should definitely write a book! that is an awesome post!!! some men can just not stand the fact of having a partner that is "more" succesfull, good looking, or intelligent than them, just because they are afraid to feel "less" than her, not realizing that "succes", "good looks" and "intelligence" are probably what makes them a good partner, and probably will help them to raise their own expectations about themseleves and off course become better human beings... There's nothing better than a man that approaches a girl with the enough confidence to know he can conquer her heart, and not being intimidated by anything of her... and yes you are right, men that think feminists as hairy and angry are probably men that have low self steem and still believe women have to be always under... not realizing we are the ones that give birth, take care of house, have a career, raise kids, take care of them and our partner, help them and support them in everything they need, help them take important decissions (this list could actually go on and on)... is not that men doesn't have their own tasks in life, but ours are more meaningful and underestimated... :-S ... i just enjoy when men are wise enough to understand men and women are the same... and to finish my post is not like us women (or feminists women) think that macho-men are hairy or baldies or angry or calm, or big or small or anything.... we just don't think in this kind of things... we have more interesting things to think about |
pure wisdom speaking!
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04 May 2008 Sun 03:12 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: You think you are funny..eh?
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Oh canim.... :-S Do funny women also intimidate you? :-S
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04 May 2008 Sun 04:08 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
Oh canim.... :-S Do funny women also intimidate you? :-S |
blah blah..
Yes..They really scare me..
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04 May 2008 Sun 04:08 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting KemAle: first thank you cat!! and second, we should definitely write a book!
that is an awesome post!!! some men can just not stand the fact of having a partner that is "more" succesfull, good looking, or intelligent than them, just because they are afraid to feel "less" than her, not realizing that "succes", "good looks" and "intelligence" are probably what makes them a good partner, and probably will help them to raise their own expectations about themseleves and off course become better human beings... There's nothing better than a man that approaches a girl with the enough confidence to know he can conquer her heart, and not being intimidated by anything of her... and yes you are right, men that think feminists as hairy and angry are probably men that have low self steem and still believe women have to be always under... not realizing we are the ones that give birth, take care of house, have a career, raise kids, take care of them and our partner, help them and support them in everything they need, help them take important decissions (this list could actually go on and on)... is not that men doesn't have their own tasks in life, but ours are more meaningful and underestimated... :-S ... i just enjoy when men are wise enough to understand men and women are the same... and to finish my post is not like us women (or feminists women) think that macho-men are hairy or baldies or angry or calm, or big or small or anything.... we just don't think in this kind of things... we have more interesting things to think about |
pure wisdom speaking! |
yeah yeah.
You can write a book called "effective waxing for hairy ladies". I am sure all feminists will buy it. And I am sure you will spend the money you make, on plastic surgery and boob job.
And about approaching to confident women:
Thank you very much!!..
we dont want to approach those. We like to approach to girls who look compliant, non hairy and with long legs. And at the same time they will assure us that we can play the role almighty nature gave us, which is to protect women. We want to have the feeling that 'we are protecting you'.
About helping us making important decisions, thank you very much again. I dont think we need help really..
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04 May 2008 Sun 05:19 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: About helping us making important decisions, thank you very much again. I dont think we need help really.. |
so typical... :-S (and then all the catastrophies come, but again we better not criticize "the men" )
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04 May 2008 Sun 06:38 pm |
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haha
Ama GG, right now, under catwoman's post, there are two adverts from google one says 'confidence training' the other says' looking for love'..
ps..how bizarre..now it is under your post :-S
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04 May 2008 Sun 08:33 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: under catwoman's post, there are two adverts from google one says 'confidence training' the other says' looking for love'.. |
 
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06 May 2008 Tue 12:19 am |
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Actually the handsome raised a very interesting point regarding cosmetic surgery and the increase in the number of clinics providing treatments such as liposuction,tummy tucks,botox injections and breast enhancements etc.Is this just a western woman thing or do women all over the world participate?
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06 May 2008 Tue 01:22 am |
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Quoting bydand: Actually the handsome raised a very interesting point regarding cosmetic surgery and the increase in the number of clinics providing treatments such as liposuction,tummy tucks,botox injections and breast enhancements etc.Is this just a western woman thing or do women all over the world participate? |
bydand.... I am pondering whether I should respond this or not... obviously an ignorant question! just a hint for you... it's MEN who participate most in this stuff - they manufacture it, advertise, they own the industry, brainwash women/girls (even make ups and thongs 10 year old girls), they validate it.... etc etc. most women would dump this shit in a second if the patriarchy didn't make them feel like the only thing that matters is that they look like stupid barbie dolls.
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06 May 2008 Tue 10:51 am |
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I don't think that only shallow, looks-obsessed women go for plastic surgeries. Sure, if a woman has a barbie doll as a role-model and has numerous surgeries just to look like it then she should undergo a psychotherapy. But there are millions of women undergoing plastic surgeries in different countries who do it to correct something about them they're dissatisfied with. My friend had an ears correction. Nobody noticed that at work, but now she's free to wear a ponytail instead of letting her hair down all the time.
Plastic surgeries are no different from going to a beautician. It's great if you don't need them and it's sick if you are obsessed with them. Claiming that men invented them to control women is naive. Do we wear make-up, go to hairdressers or spend time removing hair from different parts of our bodies because men expect it from us? Come on, they are not that complicated. Us being the opposite sex is enough to turn them on.
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06 May 2008 Tue 10:57 am |
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you completely missed my point canim I haven't claimed any of the things you said.
yes, of course people want to take care of themselves, but the extent to which women feel pressured to "take care of themselves" is not just their own imagination and a big part of is is men's expectations.
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06 May 2008 Tue 11:00 am |
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Oh that! Well, any women who feel like growing up to men's standard should simply get naked - that's way cheaper than going for a surgery and the risk is smaller too (unless it's winter and they are outside)
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06 May 2008 Tue 06:17 pm |
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awww poor you, waiting for someone's post to make yourself feel better, and try to lower down our self-steem... Not this time little man, i happen to agree that surgery is good when someone needs it (either men or women), and sick when someone is obsessed with it... fortunately for me (and my incredible good-looking boyfriend), unfortunately for you, God made me amazingly gorgeous enough , so i dont need any surgery at all...  ... and we have to be realistic, men always put looks first to choose their girls, in exchange we look inside of men to chose our lover... No wonder why we see many couples, where the girl is really good-looking and the man looks like a slob... (well... sometimes the opposite can happen hehe)...
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06 May 2008 Tue 06:44 pm |
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WOW!!! It must be AMAZING to be you!!!
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06 May 2008 Tue 07:40 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting tamikidakika:
Handsom got a blue fatal error screen after this comment. |
Why should I?
It is a well known fact that behind all those sayings about freedom, equality and blah blah, all feminists want one thing which is to be on the top.
Even Simone de Beauvoir, apperantly, confessed that before she died.
I remember reading this survey a couple of weeks ago about women who call themselves feminists. it was found that 60 % of them were hairy, 76% of did have short legs, 84 % did have small boobs, 96% of them did not have a partner at the time of survey.
No wonder why they are so bitter!! |
Glad I don't meet those criteria (or most of them anyway)!
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06 May 2008 Tue 07:50 pm |
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Quote:
WOW!!! It must be AMAZING to be you!!! |
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06 May 2008 Tue 07:50 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Oh that! Well, any women who feel like growing up to men's standard should simply get naked - that's way cheaper than going for a surgery and the risk is smaller too (unless it's winter and they are outside) |
I think you are not getting my point again.
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06 May 2008 Tue 09:14 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Daydreamer: Oh that! Well, any women who feel like growing up to men's standard should simply get naked - that's way cheaper than going for a surgery and the risk is smaller too (unless it's winter and they are outside) |
I think you are not getting my point again. |
yeah yeah
we very well know what point you are trying to make.
But It does not change the below facts..does it?
it was found that 60 % of them were hairy, 76% of did have short legs, 84 % did have small boobs, 96% of them did not have a partner at the time of survey.
And I looked at kemale's picture..peh..
I bet it is either not her or the picture is digitally enhanced to get rid of the hair from her chin and upper lips.
If above is not true, I bet her legs are too short and not straight (may be even like old skoda back tyres)
And also I bet you both dont have a boy friend.
You two keep reading books of Sapho and compliment eachother..
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06 May 2008 Tue 11:14 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: And also I bet you both dont have a boy friend.
You two keep reading books of Sapho and compliment eachother.. |
.. and I bet you're an old, ugly, hairy, smelly guy who got rejected by every woman you ever laid eyes on and now you are so bitter that you keep on making up these lies in all of your spare time.
I bet you are buying all the penis-enlargement tools and preparations that there are, and drive some really macho car and wear some really macho clothes to cover up your misery and bitterness.
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06 May 2008 Tue 11:18 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: And also I bet you both dont have a boy friend.
You two keep reading books of Sapho and compliment eachother.. |
.. and I bet you're an old, ugly, hairy, smelly guy who got rejected by every woman you ever laid eyes on and now you are so bitter that you keep on making up these lies in all of your spare time.
I bet you are buying all the penis-enlargement tools and preparations that there are, and drive some really macho car and wear some really macho clothes to cover up your misery and bitterness. |
Come on Catwoman!! Don't hold back - tell him what your really think of him!!
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07 May 2008 Wed 12:35 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
yeah yeah
we very well know what point you are trying to make.
But It does not change the below facts..does it?
it was found that 60 % of them were hairy, 76% of did have short legs, 84 % did have small boobs, 96% of them did not have a partner at the time of survey.
And I looked at kemale's picture..peh..
I bet it is either not her or the picture is digitally enhanced to get rid of the hair from her chin and upper lips.
If above is not true, I bet her legs are too short and not straight (may be even like old skoda back tyres)
And also I bet you both dont have a boy friend.
You two keep reading books of Sapho and compliment eachother.. |
awwww....poor you again, trying to make us believe your survey, anyway i rather use my time in MORE interesting stuff, than spending it here, reaffirming to myslef that your color really is yellow (or turquoise haha), and sweetie, men jealous of girl gives people something else to think... my pic is perfectly natural, i have plenty of them, and my boyfriend is so gorgeous, i think you are jealous of him too... i can just feel pity for you, i think women (and men) have rejected you all over your life and that has affected you... awwww....poor you again... .....
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07 May 2008 Wed 12:38 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: And also I bet you both dont have a boy friend.
You two keep reading books of Sapho and compliment eachother.. |
.. and I bet you're an old, ugly, hairy, smelly guy who got rejected by every woman you ever laid eyes on and now you are so bitter that you keep on making up these lies in all of your spare time.
I bet you are buying all the penis-enlargement tools and preparations that there are, and drive some really macho car and wear some really macho clothes to cover up your misery and bitterness. |
I felt the venim from here! Are you sure you have caught everything? I think you might have forgotten one or two other detriments Hey Handsom when were you going to tell them you are a plastic surgeon?
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08 May 2008 Thu 12:13 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting bydand: Actually the handsome raised a very interesting point regarding cosmetic surgery and the increase in the number of clinics providing treatments such as liposuction,tummy tucks,botox injections and breast enhancements etc.Is this just a western woman thing or do women all over the world participate? |
bydand.... I am pondering whether I should respond this or not... obviously an ignorant question! just a hint for you... it's MEN who participate most in this stuff - they manufacture it, advertise, they own the industry, brainwash women/girls (even make ups and thongs 10 year old girls), they validate it.... etc etc. most women would dump this shit in a second if the patriarchy didn't make them feel like the only thing that matters is that they look like stupid barbie dolls. |
Speaking of barbie dolls isn't it the mothers who push forward their children, some as young as 5, into those junior beauty pageants where they parade very heavily made up with special hairdo's and dresses?
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08 May 2008 Thu 04:05 am |
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Guys,what are you doing ?!
Are we really THAT weak,so we need to insult men to feel stronger ?!
Because that is what it seems to me !
''İm insulting you because im strong,because i can''
SO,that make you ''us'' strong,and show how confident we are ?!!!
Are you seriouse ?!!!!
İts about Western women here...is this what Western women do ?!!!
How about another version...'' We ARE strong,so we wont bother to reply '', isnt it better ?
Even more stronger !
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08 May 2008 Thu 04:30 am |
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ama Canli.... you are talking about me here of course, right? why don't you also address the handsom for insulting women to pretend that he's strong? what I said was a response to him, I didn't start anything, so why don't you mention him at all???!!!
and by the way, I'm NOT doing anything to feel stronger!
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08 May 2008 Thu 11:07 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Daydreamer: Oh that! Well, any women who feel like growing up to men's standard should simply get naked - that's way cheaper than going for a surgery and the risk is smaller too (unless it's winter and they are outside) |
I think you are not getting my point again. |
And what's there to miss - you're saying it's men's fault that women undergo plastic surgeries. I believe you're giving them too much credit. They're too stupid and primitive for it
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08 May 2008 Thu 11:32 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting catwoman: Quoting Daydreamer: Oh that! Well, any women who feel like growing up to men's standard should simply get naked - that's way cheaper than going for a surgery and the risk is smaller too (unless it's winter and they are outside) |
I think you are not getting my point again. |
And what's there to miss - you're saying it's men's fault that women undergo plastic surgeries. I believe you're giving them too much credit. They're too stupid and primitive for it |
This site is becoming increasingly anti-men.
I may even start a thread about it (and this time, hopefully i will be a mod )
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08 May 2008 Thu 03:57 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: ama Canli.... you are talking about me here of course, right? why don't you also address the handsom for insulting women to pretend that he's strong? what I said was a response to him, I didn't start anything, so why don't you mention him at all???!!!
and by the way, I'm NOT doing anything to feel stronger! |
Actually,not only about you cat
İ dont address handsom for 2 reasons actually,
First,what he said about that statistic,wasnt new,its something men use to say many years ago since the feminist movements have started,and many times also till now to justify those movements even to themselves
''those are bunch of women who are having problems in their lives,but normal women,OUR women are happy the way they are!''
So,to me best reply to it,is to smile and TOTALLY ignore it ,at same time the number of women fighting,and taking their rights growing,the feminist movments getting stronger...what best reply better than this ?!
İf they want to stay living in their ignorance...so be it
İts men's problems to deal with it,not mine !
Second,as i said in my previous post,i prefer the other version...so i wont BOTHER replying
İnsulting,fighting,shouting,yelling are men's style,they are actually the best in it specially when they are helpless and dont have anything to say
,so i dont think we should follow this style,we better leave it to them !
Quoting catwoman:
and by the way, I'm NOT doing anything to feel stronger! |
Good cat,you dont need to, i know it too
Ama men find it a chance to say
''feminists are insulting us so they feel stronger because they dont have anything to say to defend their case''
And we wont give them that pleasure, women have better ways to reply
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08 May 2008 Thu 04:39 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting catwoman: ama Canli.... you are talking about me here of course, right? why don't you also address the handsom for insulting women to pretend that he's strong? what I said was a response to him, I didn't start anything, so why don't you mention him at all???!!!
and by the way, I'm NOT doing anything to feel stronger! |
Actually,not only about you cat
İ dont address handsom for 2 reasons actually,
First,what he said about that statistic,wasnt new,its something men use to say many years ago since the feminist movements have started,and many times also till now to justify those movements even to themselves
''those are bunch of women who are having problems in their lives,but normal women,OUR women are happy the way they are!''
So,to me best reply to it,is to smile and TOTALLY ignore it ,at same time the number of women fighting,and taking their rights growing,the feminist movments getting stronger...what best reply better than this ?!
İf they want to stay living in their ignorance...so be it
İts men's problems to deal with it,not mine !
Second,as i said in my previous post,i prefer the other version...so i wont BOTHER replying
İnsulting,fighting,shouting,yelling are men's style,they are actually the best in it specially when they are helpless and dont have anything to say
,so i dont think we should follow this style,we better leave it to them !
Quoting catwoman:
and by the way, I'm NOT doing anything to feel stronger! |
Good cat,you dont need to, i know it too
Ama men find it a chance to say
''feminists are insulting us so they feel stronger because they dont have anything to say to defend their case''
And we wont give them that pleasure, women have better ways to reply |
Ok, canli.... you are right and... my reply to handsom was a joke anyway (and I'm sure handsom was also joking about his "statistics" ), but if I meant to be serious, you are completely right.
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08 May 2008 Thu 05:51 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
So,to me best reply to it,is to smile and TOTALLY ignore it ,at same time the number of women fighting,and taking their rights growing,the feminist movments getting stronger...what best reply better than this ?!
İf they want to stay living in their ignorance...so be it
İts men's problems to deal with it,not mine !
Second,as i said in my previous post,i prefer the other version...so i wont BOTHER replying
İnsulting,fighting,shouting,yelling are men's style,they are actually the best in it specially when they are helpless and dont have anything to say
,so i dont think we should follow this style,we better leave it to them ! |
Totally agree with you... that's why i said, i have more interesting things to do... Bravo!
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08 May 2008 Thu 07:09 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting catwoman: Quoting Daydreamer: Oh that! Well, any women who feel like growing up to men's standard should simply get naked - that's way cheaper than going for a surgery and the risk is smaller too (unless it's winter and they are outside) |
I think you are not getting my point again. |
And what's there to miss - you're saying it's men's fault that women undergo plastic surgeries. I believe you're giving them too much credit. They're too stupid and primitive for it |
This site is becoming increasingly anti-men.
I may even start a thread about it (and this time, hopefully i will be a mod ) |
I think you should handsome, I bet it would get alot of responses
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08 May 2008 Thu 08:00 pm |
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Quoting KemAle: Quoting CANLI:
So,to me best reply to it,is to smile and TOTALLY ignore it ,at same time the number of women fighting,and taking their rights growing,the feminist movments getting stronger...what best reply better than this ?!
İf they want to stay living in their ignorance...so be it
İts men's problems to deal with it,not mine !
Second,as i said in my previous post,i prefer the other version...so i wont BOTHER replying
İnsulting,fighting,shouting,yelling are men's style,they are actually the best in it specially when they are helpless and dont have anything to say
,so i dont think we should follow this style,we better leave it to them ! |
Totally agree with you... that's why i said, i have more interesting things to do... Bravo! |
I wonder if any of you ladies are familiar with the English expression 'wind-up' - because I'm pretty sure that's what's been going on here!
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08 May 2008 Thu 10:33 pm |
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Quoting lady in red:
I wonder if any of you ladies are familiar with the English expression 'wind-up' - because I'm pretty sure that's what's been going on here! |
hehe if is the same wind-up i think.....yes, this is over, finito... bu bitti!
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08 May 2008 Thu 10:41 pm |
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Quoting KemAle: Quoting lady in red:
I wonder if any of you ladies are familiar with the English expression 'wind-up' - because I'm pretty sure that's what's been going on here! |
hehe if is the same wind-up i think.....yes, this is over, finito... bu bitti! |
Well, sorry to say that but it was a wind-up..
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09 May 2008 Fri 10:21 am |
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Hadi ya. Men yazınca seni demedim We all know it's not the hairy guys who are behind that conspiracy
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09 May 2008 Fri 11:52 am |
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What can I say...I guess I am a very bad person 
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09 May 2008 Fri 12:42 pm |
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Quoting KemAle: Quoting lady in red:
I wonder if any of you ladies are familiar with the English expression 'wind-up' - because I'm pretty sure that's what's been going on here! |
hehe if is the same wind-up i think.....yes, this is over, finito... bu bitti! |
So does that mean your comments were all a wind-up too!
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