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Employee Monitoring: It's Not Paranoia--You Really Are Being Watched!
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10.       si++
3785 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 12:44 am

Quoting teaschip:


You wouldn't last in the U.S. then si++. As most employers in the U.S. will monitor phone calls for quality purposes. Also most employers do check emails if an employee is having performance issues and suspected of email & internet abuse.

Again, most managers do not like to micro manage, but give them a cause to and your privacy is right out the door.

I have also read many articles about London's cameras and how sufficent they are. In fact many cities in the U.S. including mine have adopted London's safety means and have installed street cameras.


I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.

11.       si++
3785 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 12:48 am

Quoting girleegirl:


I guess if you are an employee who has issues with your employer “spying” on you maybe you should start your own business……but then I guess that might change your perspective about staff playing on the internet.

Me? No. I am already self-employed. I can do anything but work during the usual working hours and do some business at night, however I like it.

12.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 06:32 pm

Quoting si++:


I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.


You are completely missing the point!!
An employee is being paid by their employer to do the job for which they are being paid! They are not being paid or being given access to the internet to conduct personal business durning the time in which the company is paying them!

13.       si++
3785 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 06:41 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting si++:


I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.


You are completely missing the point!!
An employee is being paid by their employer to do the job for which they are being paid! They are not being paid or being given access to the internet to conduct personal business durning the time in which the company is paying them!


No, I am not.
To be productive for your employer, You need sort out your personal things. Otherwise you cannot concentrate on your job and it wouldn't be good for your employer. Say you have some bills you need to pay using Internet banking. Of course you should use their Internet. Otherwise you should go out to the bank to pay your bills.

As such...

14.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 06:47 pm

Quoting si++:


No, I am not.
To be productive for your employer, You need sort out your personal things. Otherwise you cannot concentrate on your job and it wouldn't be good for your employer. Say you have some bills you need to pay using Internet banking. Of course you should use their Internet. Otherwise you should go out to the bank to pay your bills.

As such...


And just how on earth do you think people managed their personal and work lives in the time before the internet?? They managed their time. They took care of personal business on their lunch breaks or after work or on their days off.
You can't seriously be saying that you would be fine if your own company lost millions of dollars a year due to employees playing around on the computer!!

15.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 07:00 pm

Quoting si++:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting si++:


I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.


You are completely missing the point!!
An employee is being paid by their employer to do the job for which they are being paid! They are not being paid or being given access to the internet to conduct personal business durning the time in which the company is paying them!


No, I am not.
To be productive for your employer, You need sort out your personal things. Otherwise you cannot concentrate on your job and it wouldn't be good for your employer. Say you have some bills you need to pay using Internet banking. Of course you should use their Internet. Otherwise you should go out to the bank to pay your bills.

As such...



Do you not get a lunch break? You also realize that by allowing employees to pay bills, do research etc online puts their systems at further risk for viruses etc. I don't think it's the responsiblity for an employer to make this accomodation.

16.       si++
3785 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 07:05 pm

Quoting girleegirl:


And just how on earth do you think people managed their personal and work lives in the time before the internet?? They managed their time. They took care of personal business on their lunch breaks or after work or on their days off.
You can't seriously be saying that you would be fine if your own company lost millions of dollars a year due to employees playing around on the computer!!


We are not machines. We need breaks. As long as the job is done, there should be some flexibility. Without personal worries in the back of your mind, you would be more productive for your employer. It's for their good.

17.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 07:48 pm

Quoting si++:

Quoting girleegirl:


And just how on earth do you think people managed their personal and work lives in the time before the internet?? They managed their time. They took care of personal business on their lunch breaks or after work or on their days off.
You can't seriously be saying that you would be fine if your own company lost millions of dollars a year due to employees playing around on the computer!!


We are not machines. We need breaks. As long as the job is done, there should be some flexibility. Without personal worries in the back of your mind, you would be more productive for your employer. It's for their good.



I don't know about Turkey, but in the U.S. their are labor laws that requires an employer to give so many breaks during a period of time. Also, where I work we do allow internet usuage during lunch periods. I agree we are not machines, but over the years I have seen employers make many accomdations to employees to retain the best of the best. From flexable hours to 100% tuition reimbursment. Some companies even provide child care, on-site cafeteria and provide onsite banking.

But I think the problems employers encounters are why we have rules and policies. You have the minority who WILL abuse the internet, therefore most companies do not permit personal internet usage during business hours. I know it ruins it for everyone.

18.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 10:37 pm

In the "old days" employers used to have huge phone bills. Now with msn chat etc people can at least spend a few minutes sorting out their private lives / checking their kids got home from school OK / making a doctors appointment etc etc without costing an employer more.

As an employer and a manager myself, I can say that the majority of staff work hard and are dedicated. These guys can come in a few minutes late with an emergency, do a bit of facebook, go home half an hour early because the gas man is coming, and it is no problem because when we have a rush on and they need to stay late to finish the work, they do so. It is give and take. I treat them like an adult and they behave like one.

Other staff members (the very small minority) sadly don't deserve any trust, they mess around at any opportunity, are always the last in and first out. The best thing is not to check up on them, but get rid of them! In actual fact, normally it isn't me (the boss) that gets wound up about them first, but their colleagues (peers) who feel they are not taking their fair share of the workload!

19.       libralady
5152 posts
 04 Jun 2008 Wed 12:16 am

Quoting si++:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting si++:


I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.


You are completely missing the point!!
An employee is being paid by their employer to do the job for which they are being paid! They are not being paid or being given access to the internet to conduct personal business durning the time in which the company is paying them!


No, I am not.
To be productive for your employer, You need sort out your personal things. Otherwise you cannot concentrate on your job and it wouldn't be good for your employer. Say you have some bills you need to pay using Internet banking. Of course you should use their Internet. Otherwise you should go out to the bank to pay your bills.

As such...



Si++

You are the perfect boss!

20.       libralady
5152 posts
 04 Jun 2008 Wed 12:19 am

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

In the "old days" employers used to have huge phone bills. Now with msn chat etc people can at least spend a few minutes sorting out their private lives / checking their kids got home from school OK / making a doctors appointment etc etc without costing an employer more.

As an employer and a manager myself, I can say that the majority of staff work hard and are dedicated. These guys can come in a few minutes late with an emergency, do a bit of facebook, go home half an hour early because the gas man is coming, and it is no problem because when we have a rush on and they need to stay late to finish the work, they do so. It is give and take. I treat them like an adult and they behave like one.

Other staff members (the very small minority) sadly don't deserve any trust, they mess around at any opportunity, are always the last in and first out. The best thing is not to check up on them, but get rid of them! In actual fact, normally it isn't me (the boss) that gets wound up about them first, but their colleagues (peers) who feel they are not taking their fair share of the workload!



Actually, you are the perfect boss!

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