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Employee Monitoring: It's Not Paranoia--You Really Are Being Watched!
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1.       si++
3785 posts
 01 Jun 2008 Sun 10:11 am

Your employer could be watching you. We tell you how to know
whether you're being monitored and what you can do about it.


Vicki: This story REALLY freaked people out. I'm not
surprised. I think about this stuff all the time, especially
when it comes to e-mail. And I believe you were the one that
alerted me to the fact that instant messaging, too, can be
cause for a pause. The depths to which some companies
monitor their employees--recording phone calls, video
monitoring, GPS tracking, etc.--is downright creepy. Do you
ever feel like someone's watching you?

Dan: I am looking at your IM logs right now. And I have to
tell you, I don't think that LonelyGuy71 is right for you.
Seriously, legally your employer has the right to look at
pretty much everything you write, IM, send, or store on
their hardware. Things get even more complicated when you
mix your work and personal accounts. I admit I have been
pretty guilty here. Now if your excuse me, I am going to go
and delete my Outlook Archive.

What are we talking about? Read all about it here!

2.       AEnigmamagnadea
416 posts
 01 Jun 2008 Sun 12:59 pm

Quoting si++:

Seriously, legally your employer has the right to look at
pretty much everything you write, IM, send, or store on
their hardware.



Of course they do! They are paying for you to sit at your desk and perform a "service" in exchange for money. They have provided you with equipment for the job. If you choose to spend your paid time talking to friends, then you can't really object when your employer keeps checks on you.

People think I am quite paranoid about emails etc. at work, but I think it's pretty justified

3.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Jun 2008 Sun 05:35 pm

Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:

Quoting si++:

Seriously, legally your employer has the right to look at
pretty much everything you write, IM, send, or store on
their hardware.



Of course they do! They are paying for you to sit at your desk and perform a "service" in exchange for money. They have provided you with equipment for the job. If you choose to spend your paid time talking to friends, then you can't really object when your employer keeps checks on you.

People think I am quite paranoid about emails etc. at work, but I think it's pretty justified



One thing that I am completely paranoid about, being watched 24/7 by on street camera's! There are camera's in every corner of the UK, in the pretence to catch criminals! HAHA! If only it were true! Humans Rights law allows people to challenge the "evidence" caught on camera and it becomes inadmissable!

As for your employer watching your every move, all access to anything that is remotely like "social networking" is blocked where I work. I am surprised I can still access TC at work, although I only use it now at lunch time.

4.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Jun 2008 Sun 09:02 pm

Quoting libralady:

One thing that I am completely paranoid about, being watched 24/7 by on street camera's! There are camera's in every corner of the UK, in the pretence to catch criminals! HAHA! If only it were true! Humans Rights law allows people to challenge the "evidence" caught on camera and it becomes inadmissable!


Oh my god! Are you serious???????

5.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Jun 2008 Sun 10:38 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting libralady:

One thing that I am completely paranoid about, being watched 24/7 by on street camera's! There are camera's in every corner of the UK, in the pretence to catch criminals! HAHA! If only it were true! Humans Rights law allows people to challenge the "evidence" caught on camera and it becomes inadmissable!


Oh my god! Are you serious???????



A year ago, there were 4.2 million cameras, one for every 14th person, and on average you are filmed 300 times a day! And yes it has been known that someone human rights has been violated and they have challenged evidence in court. I must admit, there have been many crimes solved with cameras, but it does not reduce the amount of crime in this country.

6.       si++
3785 posts
 02 Jun 2008 Mon 12:20 am

Quoting libralady:


One thing that I am completely paranoid about, being watched 24/7 by on street camera's! There are camera's in every corner of the UK, in the pretence to catch criminals! HAHA! If only it were true! Humans Rights law allows people to challenge the "evidence" caught on camera and it becomes inadmissable!

As for your employer watching your every move, all access to anything that is remotely like "social networking" is blocked where I work. I am surprised I can still access TC at work, although I only use it now at lunch time.


A friend of mine once was working for a company where they were monitoring the screens of their employees. You may not be connected to the Internet but still be doing some other things on your pc, that they would find unacceptable. I wouldn't want to work in such a place.

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7.       teaschip
3870 posts
 02 Jun 2008 Mon 07:18 pm

Quoting si++:

Quoting libralady:


One thing that I am completely paranoid about, being watched 24/7 by on street camera's! There are camera's in every corner of the UK, in the pretence to catch criminals! HAHA! If only it were true! Humans Rights law allows people to challenge the "evidence" caught on camera and it becomes inadmissable!

As for your employer watching your every move, all access to anything that is remotely like "social networking" is blocked where I work. I am surprised I can still access TC at work, although I only use it now at lunch time.


A friend of mine once was working for a company where they were monitoring the screens of their employees. You may not be connected to the Internet but still be doing some other things on your pc, that they would find unacceptable. I wouldn't want to work in such a place.



You wouldn't last in the U.S. then si++. As most employers in the U.S. will monitor phone calls for quality purposes. Also most employers do check emails if an employee is having performance issues and suspected of email & internet abuse.

Again, most managers do not like to micro manage, but give them a cause to and your privacy is right out the door.

I have also read many articles about London's cameras and how sufficent they are. In fact many cities in the U.S. including mine have adopted London's safety means and have installed street cameras.

8.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 02 Jun 2008 Mon 11:02 pm

In a study done in 2000 for Vault.com, a career information website in the US, it was found that 90% of employees were using the internet at work for non-work related activities…..of those, approximately 37% were looking for a new job on their employers dime.

The costs of lost productivity caused by this are staggering.
This particular study showed that a company that employed 500 people with an average employment cost of $30/hourly (this includes wages, benefits, etc), would lose over $4,000,000. per year in lost productivity if each one of those employees spent just one hour a day playing on the internet instead of working.

That cost does not include the amount lost on bandwidth impact, liability issues, or security breaches.

And that amount is only on internet abuse. Let’s not forget all the lost time for personal phone calls, sports betting pools (huge in the US), and just general goofing off!

I guess if you are an employee who has issues with your employer “spying” on you maybe you should start your own business……but then I guess that might change your perspective about staff playing on the internet.

9.       portokal
2516 posts
 02 Jun 2008 Mon 11:03 pm

the good thing is that i do not live on a street-camera watched area. and that i do not care if i am being watched. unless my hair-dresser is on holiday, of course...

my motto is, you may watch but i decide if you may touch.
the rest, well...

10.       si++
3785 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 12:44 am

Quoting teaschip:


You wouldn't last in the U.S. then si++. As most employers in the U.S. will monitor phone calls for quality purposes. Also most employers do check emails if an employee is having performance issues and suspected of email & internet abuse.

Again, most managers do not like to micro manage, but give them a cause to and your privacy is right out the door.

I have also read many articles about London's cameras and how sufficent they are. In fact many cities in the U.S. including mine have adopted London's safety means and have installed street cameras.


I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.

11.       si++
3785 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 12:48 am

Quoting girleegirl:


I guess if you are an employee who has issues with your employer “spying” on you maybe you should start your own business……but then I guess that might change your perspective about staff playing on the internet.

Me? No. I am already self-employed. I can do anything but work during the usual working hours and do some business at night, however I like it.

12.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 06:32 pm

Quoting si++:


I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.


You are completely missing the point!!
An employee is being paid by their employer to do the job for which they are being paid! They are not being paid or being given access to the internet to conduct personal business durning the time in which the company is paying them!

13.       si++
3785 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 06:41 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting si++:


I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.


You are completely missing the point!!
An employee is being paid by their employer to do the job for which they are being paid! They are not being paid or being given access to the internet to conduct personal business durning the time in which the company is paying them!


No, I am not.
To be productive for your employer, You need sort out your personal things. Otherwise you cannot concentrate on your job and it wouldn't be good for your employer. Say you have some bills you need to pay using Internet banking. Of course you should use their Internet. Otherwise you should go out to the bank to pay your bills.

As such...

14.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 06:47 pm

Quoting si++:


No, I am not.
To be productive for your employer, You need sort out your personal things. Otherwise you cannot concentrate on your job and it wouldn't be good for your employer. Say you have some bills you need to pay using Internet banking. Of course you should use their Internet. Otherwise you should go out to the bank to pay your bills.

As such...


And just how on earth do you think people managed their personal and work lives in the time before the internet?? They managed their time. They took care of personal business on their lunch breaks or after work or on their days off.
You can't seriously be saying that you would be fine if your own company lost millions of dollars a year due to employees playing around on the computer!!

15.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 07:00 pm

Quoting si++:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting si++:


I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.


You are completely missing the point!!
An employee is being paid by their employer to do the job for which they are being paid! They are not being paid or being given access to the internet to conduct personal business durning the time in which the company is paying them!


No, I am not.
To be productive for your employer, You need sort out your personal things. Otherwise you cannot concentrate on your job and it wouldn't be good for your employer. Say you have some bills you need to pay using Internet banking. Of course you should use their Internet. Otherwise you should go out to the bank to pay your bills.

As such...



Do you not get a lunch break? You also realize that by allowing employees to pay bills, do research etc online puts their systems at further risk for viruses etc. I don't think it's the responsiblity for an employer to make this accomodation.

16.       si++
3785 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 07:05 pm

Quoting girleegirl:


And just how on earth do you think people managed their personal and work lives in the time before the internet?? They managed their time. They took care of personal business on their lunch breaks or after work or on their days off.
You can't seriously be saying that you would be fine if your own company lost millions of dollars a year due to employees playing around on the computer!!


We are not machines. We need breaks. As long as the job is done, there should be some flexibility. Without personal worries in the back of your mind, you would be more productive for your employer. It's for their good.

17.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 07:48 pm

Quoting si++:

Quoting girleegirl:


And just how on earth do you think people managed their personal and work lives in the time before the internet?? They managed their time. They took care of personal business on their lunch breaks or after work or on their days off.
You can't seriously be saying that you would be fine if your own company lost millions of dollars a year due to employees playing around on the computer!!


We are not machines. We need breaks. As long as the job is done, there should be some flexibility. Without personal worries in the back of your mind, you would be more productive for your employer. It's for their good.



I don't know about Turkey, but in the U.S. their are labor laws that requires an employer to give so many breaks during a period of time. Also, where I work we do allow internet usuage during lunch periods. I agree we are not machines, but over the years I have seen employers make many accomdations to employees to retain the best of the best. From flexable hours to 100% tuition reimbursment. Some companies even provide child care, on-site cafeteria and provide onsite banking.

But I think the problems employers encounters are why we have rules and policies. You have the minority who WILL abuse the internet, therefore most companies do not permit personal internet usage during business hours. I know it ruins it for everyone.

18.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 10:37 pm

In the "old days" employers used to have huge phone bills. Now with msn chat etc people can at least spend a few minutes sorting out their private lives / checking their kids got home from school OK / making a doctors appointment etc etc without costing an employer more.

As an employer and a manager myself, I can say that the majority of staff work hard and are dedicated. These guys can come in a few minutes late with an emergency, do a bit of facebook, go home half an hour early because the gas man is coming, and it is no problem because when we have a rush on and they need to stay late to finish the work, they do so. It is give and take. I treat them like an adult and they behave like one.

Other staff members (the very small minority) sadly don't deserve any trust, they mess around at any opportunity, are always the last in and first out. The best thing is not to check up on them, but get rid of them! In actual fact, normally it isn't me (the boss) that gets wound up about them first, but their colleagues (peers) who feel they are not taking their fair share of the workload!

19.       libralady
5152 posts
 04 Jun 2008 Wed 12:16 am

Quoting si++:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting si++:


I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.


You are completely missing the point!!
An employee is being paid by their employer to do the job for which they are being paid! They are not being paid or being given access to the internet to conduct personal business durning the time in which the company is paying them!


No, I am not.
To be productive for your employer, You need sort out your personal things. Otherwise you cannot concentrate on your job and it wouldn't be good for your employer. Say you have some bills you need to pay using Internet banking. Of course you should use their Internet. Otherwise you should go out to the bank to pay your bills.

As such...



Si++

You are the perfect boss!

20.       libralady
5152 posts
 04 Jun 2008 Wed 12:19 am

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

In the "old days" employers used to have huge phone bills. Now with msn chat etc people can at least spend a few minutes sorting out their private lives / checking their kids got home from school OK / making a doctors appointment etc etc without costing an employer more.

As an employer and a manager myself, I can say that the majority of staff work hard and are dedicated. These guys can come in a few minutes late with an emergency, do a bit of facebook, go home half an hour early because the gas man is coming, and it is no problem because when we have a rush on and they need to stay late to finish the work, they do so. It is give and take. I treat them like an adult and they behave like one.

Other staff members (the very small minority) sadly don't deserve any trust, they mess around at any opportunity, are always the last in and first out. The best thing is not to check up on them, but get rid of them! In actual fact, normally it isn't me (the boss) that gets wound up about them first, but their colleagues (peers) who feel they are not taking their fair share of the workload!



Actually, you are the perfect boss!

21.       allencently
1 posts
 11 Jan 2014 Sat 08:14 am

Yes, many companies install monitor in workpalce, what´s more, some companies install employee monitoring software on employees´ working computer. In our company, we know they install this Mac keylogger to monitor our activity on Mac during working time. I don´t know whether it is legal.

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