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Interent Porn ?????
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 02:29 am |
People don´t watch porn because they are not satisfied in their relationships. Porn is a completely different thing that has nothing to do with real life. It is more like a male fantasy world that a man quickly learns to get aroused by and get pleasure from. It is very addictive because the power of arousal is strong and it´s an activity where nothing is asked of the man, instead, he is in a world where he gets messages that women are reduced to his sex objects that he can use for his pleasure in any way he likes. Alameda is completely right here, it is very animalistic and operates on simple learning to associate some dehumanized, degraded images with sexual arousal. The man doesn´t have to be a pervert to learn to enjoy this kind of material, but it´s naive to believe that if he watches enough of this, he will not treat women in real life by pornographic standards (he will have little respect for women and will retain the belief that they are sex objects that he can disrespect and control). In fact, research shows that men who have watched mainstream porn for only a couple weeks, they report that monogamous relationships are not normal and that there is nothing wrong with rape.
Porn does not help a man with anything, it only damages real life relationships, which cannot give him the same high intensity experiences as porn provides. In real relationships the man is expected to give, not just take, to be attentive to the woman as a person, to her feelings... in porn, he can be as animalistic, egoistic, self-centered and sadistic as he wants - the woman is often degraded in number of different ways (depending on what he´s watching), that domination over the woman and the animal hatred that it brings out in a man, combined with sexual arousal is what the man gets out of it. It has nothing to do with real world, it´s more like a sick fantasy.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 02:49 am |
I agree with alameda and catwoman completely. The scary thing is that the internet has made it so easy to become addicted, and in a lot of cases some of the men that have fallen a slave to this industry may have never been that way if it was not for such easy access. I read somewhere that before the days of internet porn half the men who watch it now would never have. Some out of pure shame of being seen out buying it, some just because it wasn´t around. Out of site out of mind, but for a man in these days I think the temptation is overwhelming with it being so readily available at the click of a button.
teaschip, sorry I dont agree with you that he feels unsatisfied, in most cases it has nothing to do with a partner, and them being inadequate in anyway. Thats like saying your man started smoking crack because you were boring.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 03:16 am |
Quoting karekin04: teaschip, sorry I dont agree with you that he feels unsatisfied, in most cases it has nothing to do with a partner, and them being inadequate in anyway. Thats like saying your man started smoking crack because you were boring. |
Exactly, it has absolutely nothing to do with ´satisfaction´ in the relationship. It really is like a drug, it fits all the criteria of it - one wants more with time, one doesn´t get satisfied with previous doses of the drug, it leads to addiction... etc.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:02 am |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting karekin04: teaschip, sorry I dont agree with you that he feels unsatisfied, in most cases it has nothing to do with a partner, and them being inadequate in anyway. Thats like saying your man started smoking crack because you were boring. |
Exactly, it has absolutely nothing to do with ´satisfaction´ in the relationship. It really is like a drug, it fits all the criteria of it - one wants more with time, one doesn´t get satisfied with previous doses of the drug, it leads to addiction... etc. |
Sorry, but if my partner would watch/read porn (alone, on a regular base) I would not only felt very much betrayed but I would also ask what is wrong in the relationship. I think that if everything is ok, a guy does not need that extra, the relation itself is then exciting and arousing enough.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 03:10 pm |
Quoting catwoman: Quoting karekin04: teaschip, sorry I dont agree with you that he feels unsatisfied, in most cases it has nothing to do with a partner, and them being inadequate in anyway. Thats like saying your man started smoking crack because you were boring. |
Exactly, it has absolutely nothing to do with ´satisfaction´ in the relationship. It really is like a drug, it fits all the criteria of it - one wants more with time, one doesn´t get satisfied with previous doses of the drug, it leads to addiction... etc. |
So tell me why do couples watch porn? Isn´t it to spice their sex life up? How is the motivating factor any different for only men.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 03:22 pm |
Quoting teaschip: Quoting catwoman: Quoting karekin04: teaschip, sorry I dont agree with you that he feels unsatisfied, in most cases it has nothing to do with a partner, and them being inadequate in anyway. Thats like saying your man started smoking crack because you were boring. |
Exactly, it has absolutely nothing to do with ´satisfaction´ in the relationship. It really is like a drug, it fits all the criteria of it - one wants more with time, one doesn´t get satisfied with previous doses of the drug, it leads to addiction... etc. |
So tell me why do couples watch porn? Isn´t it to spice their sex life up? How is the motivating factor any different for only men. |
Teas, you are right and why are there so many "dating" sites where swapping and porn is the main factor? Because people enjoy it, but many women are afraid to admit it.
I think there is a bit of voyeurism in all of us. And what about the sites where ordinary people can post their own "action" videos or perform on webcam? In my opinion the more we get hung about something the worse it gets.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 05:24 pm |
I think it´s up to individuals what they are ok with in a relationship. Some people find pornography disgusting and thus would never watch it or let their partners do so, for others it´s not a big deal. If you caught your partner watching porn and you feel betrayed, explain him your reasons and work out a way. Saying that porn industry is only about abuse of females is not true, like it was said - women watch porn too and there are gay porns as well. Adults in free countries are free to do whatever is legal, you don´t like it, you don´t watch it
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 06:42 pm |
-- first of all, porn does not spice up sex life. ok, maybe it does - in a similar way as alcohol, or cocaine may spice up a relationship. however, the alcohol - porn comparison is not quite accurate because men and women are not depicted the same way in porn. pornography depicts females in a degraded, submissive, dominated way and the females often suffer in porn - so that the male can have some sadistic ´fun´. females in porn don´t experience any pleasure, so to say that women like porn is like saying that women like to be raped and abused. no healthy woman would freely like to watch the mainstream porn. it is only about male fantasy of dominance and sexual abuse.
-- some women may watch porn, but the fact is that most women who do, report that they felt pressured and/or intimidated to do so. it is a fact that pornography leads to lower self-esteem, much more serious then usual body image problems, depression.
-- pornography does not exist in a vacuum and is not a product of people´s creativity. it is an industrial product, a product of misogyny and hatred of women. it is a disgusting and ugly expression of sexuality - sexuality where a woman is a piece of meat that the man can cum in the mouth of, can penetrate anally, can give her any amount of pain he wants. these men call women "three orifices" - that´s exactly what women mean to these men.
-- we live in a patriarchal, sexist culture, where women are not valued as full human beings, but mainly for their appearance. in this culture boys are socialized from a very early age to identify their sexuality with objectification of women. once you justify objectification (dehumanization), a lot of cruel and appalling products can be possible to watch and ´enjoy´. so a lot of ´normal´ men can watch porn and not be considered perverted or sick, because our culture accepts as normal at least some level of perversion and disrespecting female bodies.
-- it is wrong to say that pornography has no effect on a person. of course it does. there are countless of examples. it is not a sole factor, but it is a very big one. men who view pornography report that monogamous relationships are not normal or natural, they say that rape is not a crime, it is an acceptable act, they cease being satisfied with sex with a ´normal´ woman and it may even progress to not wanting any sex with a real person at all, it leads to sexual dysfunction... and many others.
-- i am not even going to get into the practices of the industry itself....
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:45 pm |
Quoting catwoman: -- first of all, porn does not spice up sex life. ok, maybe it does - in a similar way as alcohol, or cocaine may spice up a relationship. however, the alcohol - porn comparison is not quite accurate because men and women are not depicted the same way in porn. pornography depicts females in a degraded, submissive, dominated way and the females often suffer in porn - so that the male can have some sadistic ´fun´. females in porn don´t experience any pleasure, so to say that women like porn is like saying that women like to be raped and abused. no healthy woman would freely like to watch the mainstream porn. it is only about male fantasy of dominance and sexual abuse.
-- some women may watch porn, but the fact is that most women who do, report that they felt pressured and/or intimidated to do so. it is a fact that pornography leads to lower self-esteem, much more serious then usual body image problems, depression.
-- pornography does not exist in a vacuum and is not a product of people´s creativity. it is an industrial product, a product of misogyny and hatred of women. it is a disgusting and ugly expression of sexuality - sexuality where a woman is a piece of meat that the man can cum in the mouth of, can penetrate anally, can give her any amount of pain he wants. these men call women "three orifices" - that´s exactly what women mean to these men.
-- we live in a patriarchal, sexist culture, where women are not valued as full human beings, but mainly for their appearance. in this culture boys are socialized from a very early age to identify their sexuality with objectification of women. once you justify objectification (dehumanization), a lot of cruel and appalling products can be possible to watch and ´enjoy´. so a lot of ´normal´ men can watch porn and not be considered perverted or sick, because our culture accepts as normal at least some level of perversion and disrespecting female bodies.
-- it is wrong to say that pornography has no effect on a person. of course it does. there are countless of examples. it is not a sole factor, but it is a very big one. men who view pornography report that monogamous relationships are not normal or natural, they say that rape is not a crime, it is an acceptable act, they cease being satisfied with sex with a ´normal´ woman and it may even progress to not wanting any sex with a real person at all, it leads to sexual dysfunction... and many others.
-- i am not even going to get into the practices of the industry itself.... |
Wow. Seriously - WOW!
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:52 pm |
I´m not going to argue for "or against" the merits of porn. But I think gereralizing about women´s attitudes on porn is similar to saying women don´t want sex as much as men. I have found my fair share of woman who have been far more "open-minded" in sex that I might be. I do believe there are women out there who do enjoy having their sex video-taped for the excitement (isn´t this porn?). But I do agree with you Catwoman that far too many wpmen in porn are probably in a horrible lifestyles, (drugs, prostitution, etc.)
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:55 pm |
Quoting KeithL: I have found my fair share of woman |
And you said I was the ONLY one!
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