Turkish people will rejoice!

After much controversy, Cologne´s city council has voted in favor of building Germany´s largest mosque. The opposition of a local far-right group wasn´t enough to stop plans that will change the city´s historic skyline forever.

A wonderful news! My heart rejoices with Turks in Germany. I believe building more mosques will contribute to peace, science and development of human kind. I believe this mosque is a big very much desired gift to Germans in return to embracing all refugees from the third world.

 You forgot to mention the advancement of womens rights!  This is a banner day!!!Break out your tents girls!!

They wanted those refugees in Germany, so they were not  doing a favour to them..

But I agree with the mosque constructions: Waste of money.

Who is paying for the construction?

Does it matter?

In the end, it will be just wasting the world´s resources unnecessarily.

I didn`t ask that to defend anything. I agree that it`s a waste of money.

It doesn´t mean they can do whatever they want to or carry on with backward old traditions and push their religion (of peace) into every hole possible completely ignoring the country´s laws and caring not to mix with Germans or learning the language and culture.

I support people´s right to have places to pray in every country but I´m not happy with the idea that Cologne´s famous cathedral will be overshadowed now.

Now you are going into backwardness and talking like a german racist!!

I am against building anything relating to any religion with the principle that ´it is waste of resources´.

What you are doing is that attacking only one religion and belittleing  the refugees.

Those refugees have been invited there and they have right to practise their religions as much as germans have the same rights with christianity...

 Wrong text. Sorry.

are you drunk or under drugs? He was responding to Zhang Ziyi, not you, and since when are you allowed to swear here?

 Mr. NiceGuy, as you see I made a mistake so I modified my text. I´m not unwilling to admit I make mistakes sometimes, you should try too, maybe you´ll be a bit more human then.

look who is talking about being nice! I see no courtesy in calling people "less human" than yourself.

Courtesy is what one need to work for, it´s not an automatic earned right. A lot of work for you to do then.

I won`t waste my time responding to your pointless posts. Have fun!

Thank you for calling me a racist It seems so easy for you to call anyone names.

Let me have a go to explain a little. Imagine you repairing your house and hired a crew. The house is done, but you see the crew is still in your house and doesn´t even think of leaving and demands the same rights as your family enjoys.

Or,

Imagine you invited friends over your house to a party, the same situation, your friends now want to sleep in your bed and share your wife. Don´t you think they overuse your hospitality?

Now just tell me, how tolerant your country is? Since Turkey claims to be secular and democratic.

Do non-muslims enjoy the same rights being able to build the temples where they could worship their own religion? Isn´t it a bit racist now? Don´t you think?

Think before you jump into a wagon of racism. My goodness, it is so easy to manipulate with racism! If the man´s opinion doesn´t fit, call him a racist or fascist, that will do the business, he should go silent.

ZZ this is about Turkey,you can start your own thread at off the topic and post all your love to Egypt there

But not here pls

And pls,AGAİN,add the links to your posts

Forum rules

Dear Mod,

Thank you for your kind reminder. I definetly owe you much for not deleting my post and leaving it there as it is. Your kindness and mercy is endless. I beg you pardon for not adding the link.

However, I dare say that you are not right, the thread is not about Turkey, it is about building a giant mosque in the West, and I wanted to relate that in the East (particularly in ME) non-muslims even can´t repair their temples.

I don´t agree that my post is off-topic.

You noticed taht too Canli???

You can just tell how much love he holds right??

lol

About the incidence tast so weird, plus christians make up about 15 percnt of egypt and like 25 percent of cairo and Aexandria!

And the churches here(i dont know about the rurl areas, like beni suef) but the churches here are elaborate and beautiful and huge too,

ad smbdy asked a question before ona previous thread, if you can build churches infront of mosques, and the answer is yeah, its pretty normal, most neighborhoods actually do that do satisfy both religions so they build them like across the street or by each other.

But the truth is this incident is really sad but every egyptian knows the people in beni suef are illitirate and violent we always make fun and jokes about ppl from there (i know its mean, but i didnt make them up!) but this is no laughing matter! I bhlame the corruptuon of the police on the emergency law thats been in the country since the 80´s!!!!

Oh, I see I have stepped on a snake´s tail.. AGAIN... today!

I apologise sincerely for my mistake and careless choice of information!

Stupid me! I forgot about the common rules and unwritten codex of TC: "Never say anything against ladies from ME! It may cause an offence and insult".

Well, I did not call you a racist. what I said was ´you are talking like a german racist´ which was a  correct assesment  of that particular  post of yours. And I must tell you that ´you have  proved my point with above post!!

And you are looking at the refugees as if you hired them as ´a repair crew´ for your house and expecting them to leave? .. Tell me you are joking!!

And about my own county´s ability to impose the freedom of different religions: I am one of the harshest critics of my own country here and I never defended anything, which I dont find  fitting with the democratic values, my country does.

So, it is not a right path for attacking me really.

About calling the ideas or people racist/fascist issue, if I believe they deserve, if I believe the ideas are racist, I wont hesitate even for a second.

 Not adding the link to your post would make it an issue for doubt,and also deleting

Here also,

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_33528

Beside your post is DEFİNATLY out of place

The thread at the Turkey forum and about building a giant mosque ´as you say´ in Germany,if you want to make it an West /East issue,or İslam attacks/taking over..or whatever..fine

But do it in its appropriate place at off the topics,not here

So,we will be expecting others to post about how they treat Muslims,and how depresed Muslims are in China,USA,UK,Netherlands,....ect to reply your post ?

Believe me stuff like this is easy to find,handsom,tam proved it to you many times before,but you know that already 

And this also will be related to the topic ?

yeah ZZ, i thought you alreday knew that.....plus i think you know what were capable of

Yeah, Doudi, I am pretty aware of what you are capable: whining, winging, moaning and complaining.

I know the thread is about a mosque in Germany, but for those who are accusing muslim countries of intolerance, i will speak about my country Qatar, (I will not speak about other muslim countries because i haven´t lived there)

all the local population are muslims but we have a lot of christian Expatriates and in this year, the 1st church opened it´s doors for worshippers. 

It is a very huge church and here is the link from BBC site

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7297808.stm

 The first?

And only?

This thread should not be under ´Turkey´ - I am moving it to where it belongs - ´News articles/Events/Announcements´  Any complaints please don´t let me know

Yes the first trudy, and is there is something wrong with taking the first step???? 

And more to follow ZZ, read the link please ...

BBC: (There are plans for further churches in Qatar, which correspondents describe as part of a strategy of opening up to the West.)

when have i complained or whined?your defending yourself by fake accusations ???!!!! plus i really wasnt telling you anything

Man you make me laugh!!!

there is 0% christians among the local Qartari population

this Church is built for christian people who may come and live in Qatar

and it is financed from the government of Qatar (which charge expatriates no taxes)

Now answer me this: if you had 0% muslim or hindo citizens among your population will you build a mosque for muslims , or a temple for hindos who might come and live in your countries??

Qatar first church sparks debate in Doh

February 16, 2008 9:57
Supporter of church’s construction say Islam guarantees right to build places of worship for other religions.
By Faisal Baatout - DOHA

A bitter debate has broken out in the tiny, oil-rich Gulf state of Qatar over construction of the Muslim country’s first Christian church, set to open next month in time for Easter.

Critics have branded the concept as “repulsive” while supporters said building places of worship for other religions is a right guaranteed by Islam.

One former minister insisted there should have been a public referendum.

“The cross should not be raised in the sky of Qatar, nor should bells toll in Doha,” wrote columnist Lahdan bin Issa al-Muhanadi in the Doha daily Al-Arab — adding an apology in case the concept upset any readers in this country of 900,000, of whom only 200,000 are native Qataris.

But the former dean of the sharia (Islamic law) school at Qatar University, Abdul Hamid al-Ansari, disagreed, saying having “places of worship for various religions is a fundamental human right guaranteed by Islam.”

.http://copts.com/english1/index.php/2008/02/16/qatar-first-church-sparks-debate-in-doh/#more-1416

Wow. thats so harsh, what do they eman a cross wont be in qatars skyline? That is soooo wrong and extremist and i dont know how any body can think in that dreadful way!

So Sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope they build a 100 churches!

Theres no such thing, man, OF!!!

Speechless!

According to figures on Wiki, 2/3 of the population are expats - amongst many christians. So why not building temples, churches I would say? These expats didn´t arrive yesterday, therefor the first church in March 2008 I find quite late.

Trudy, with all due respect, i don´t think your country or any other country in the west will do what my country did ??? they won´t finance a mosque for muslim expats or a hindo temple for hindo expats, because it´s not what it happens there. you have muslims or hindo citizens then you will have mosques or temple. but you can inform  me of the situation there.

and about the cross not being raised on the church, in Qatar we don´t have anything raised on mosques either, no moon or a star or anything else.

31/12/2005: 16.334.000 inhabitants of which 48% non-religious, 43,7% Christian, 5,8% Muslim and the rest ´others´ (Hindus, Jews, Buddhist) (figures from wikipedia.nl).

No, the Dutch government does not pay for mosques but they don´t pay for churches either as we have a strict line between state and religion. All religions need to pay for themselves for building a house of prayer - there is no difference in Catholic churches, protestant churches, Jewish synagogues, Hindu temples or Islam mosques. But we do allow anyone to have a place for themselves. There are about 450 mosques here, the Mevlana mosque was in 2006 announced as the most beautiful building in Rotterdam. The first mosque here was build in 1955, although most Muslim immigrants came early sixties or later - and the first Dutch became converted in 1963. Since then there are 6000 converted Dutch.

The Mevlana Mosque in Rotterdam (at about 1km from my house):

I hope I gave enough information? And please understand me, my only remark was that I find Qatar´s decision to allow a church quite late - after having Christians for years/decades among them. That´s all.

Trudy, thanks you for your info, that is indeed a very nice mosque

Christians in Qatar used to rent houses and convert them into churches, in fact there was a church near to where I live, but this church is 1st to be built as a church (the 1st official church)

we are not a secular country, Islam is the religion of the country, but none the less the government financed the church. 

and by the way not every mosque is built by the government, most of them are built by the citizens.