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Abdullah Gül´s ´Yerevan expedition´
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 05 Sep 2008 Fri 08:26 pm

 Only a miracle can prevent President Abdullah Gül´s visit to the Armenian capital Yerevan on Saturday. In the football World Cup qualifiers Turkey is partnered with Armenia. So this will open historic new doors for Turks and Armenians.New Armenian President Serge Sarkisian, elected in Feb. 2008, used this opportunity and invited his Turkish counterpart to “watch the game together” in an article he wrote for the Wall Street Journal, July 9.

 

Today´s Turkish Daily News

2.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 05 Sep 2008 Fri 11:48 pm

 

Quoting Roswitha

Only a miracle can prevent President Abdullah Gül´s visit to the Armenian capital Yerevan on Saturday. In the football World Cup qualifiers Turkey is partnered with Armenia. So this will open historic new doors for Turks and Armenians.New Armenian President Serge Sarkisian, elected in Feb. 2008, used this opportunity and invited his Turkish counterpart to “watch the game together” in an article he wrote for the Wall Street Journal, July 9.

 

Today´s Turkish Daily News

 

right, visiting a country that doesn`t even recognize our borders is a very wise thing to do, especially if you`re the president!

 

here is the Turkish word of the day to learn; "yalaka"

 

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 03:59 pm

A translation - Ahmet Altan´s daily column (from taraf news paper)

Orginal is here

 

 

I know, telling these things are not welcomed in this country but they endured one of the worst sufferings on this earth.
Dont say that ´but they killed us too´.
Saying this is a real shame..
What is and old man from Adana and a baby from Sivas got to do with Armenian mobs from the borders of Russia
Only being Armenian?
Just think for a moment.
When you are sitting in your home at night, your door is knocked and they take you away by force.
You start walking.
In the middle of the night you are forced to walk on the mountain roads with tired crowds.
An old woman is collapsing next to you.
They are hitting her head with rifle butts.
She is staying there lifeless.
They are smashing her crying grandson to the rocks.
Do you think they are just fairy tales?
Has anybody raped your wife next to you?
Has anybody killed your husband in front of your eyes?
Has anybody taken you away while you were eating your dinner because you are a Turk?
But they did this to hundreds of thousands of people because they were just Armenians
We have a conscience we own.
Are we going to sideline ourselves with ittihatcilar (young turks) because we are from the same blood or we will cry to death of a baby from another nation?
Do you now how many Armanians they killed?
Just because they were Armenians.
Think all of them in the middle of the night on a mountain road.
Hungry, tired and alone.
Infested with lice and ill.
They know they are taken to their deaths.
They are taking them to their deaths.
and killing them.
Hundreds of thousands of them!
Is it really important what nationality they have?
Do you really dont feel sorry for these people who suffered this much because they are Armenians?
For a moment, for a short time, you put yourself in their shoes.
Feel that moment , feel that helplessness
Are we going to ignore their sufferings because we are Turks?
...
And us, we even have forbidden their relatives to write requiems  for many years
They lied to us all the time.
They told us "but they killed us too".
There were mobs over the borders with Russia and they killed.
They were barbarians too.
But what have they got to do with women, babies, men and elders from Bursa,Sivas,Maras and Adana?
Ittihatcilar killed them because they were just Armenians.
Forget ittihacilar, and  murderers.
You are closer to victims not the murderers.
Because you are humans.
And now you are going into their country.
I dont know if we can,
but for the old times sake, if some tears come into our eyes and if we can bumble ´forgive us´.
Maybe a huge weight will be taken from our shoulders and may be a reflection of an old Armenian with mustache will smile for a moment in the place where everybody went and we will all go.

4.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 04:45 pm

To The handsom, thank you for posting this, thought this might be of interest  to you too:

 

Assyrian genocide studies

The Assyrians Surviving Genocide After World War I

Prof. Anahit Khosroyeva
Armenia

Prof. Khosroyeva is a specialist in the Assyrian genocide studies and has published a book on this topic.  The following is the complete text of Prof. Khosroyeva´s speech at the Assyrian National Convention, held in September 2005 in Boston.

During the World War I along with the Armenians the Assyrians, one of the most ancient nations of the Middle East, also underwent the cruel massacres under the influence and direction of the Young Turks´ government. In the Ottoman Turkey and the adjacent territories, where more than one million Assyrians lived, a real genocide was implemented according to the criteria of international law. But the tragedy of Assyrians did not come to the end with this. Both during the World War I and after it the Assyrian nation bled both from the Europe´s incitements and from the slaughters and oppressions organized by Turkish, Kurdish, Iranian and Arabian tyrants.

The end of World War I and the fall of the Ottoman Empire gave a birth to hopes of gaining autonomy among the Assyrians. Doomed to unbearable conditions because of the policy implemented by Turkish government, they had to pin certain hopes on Russian and British authorities, which made lavish promises that in return for their military support, after the triumphal end of the war the countries of Triple Entente will enable the Assyrians to establish an independent state. Lulling them with these promises both the Russians and the British resolved a number of their strategic and political problems of primary importance at the cost of the Assyrians´ blood both in Turkey and in Iran, and eventually did not fulfill their promises.

Part of the Assyrian refuges, who escaped Turkish yataghan as early as in 1918, reached an Iraqi town Baqubah, and the other part that together with the Armenians made up about 50-60 thousand people, reached Baghdad[1]. Here they were lodged in camps constructed by the British army, were they lived in tents. Although the refugees had enough food, but the conditions of life were unbearable. One of the eyewitnesses testified that "in the beginning the number of dying people in average reached 70-80 people a day. Corpses of the Armenians and Assyrians were taken from hospital straight to the cemetery. And as here the number of Assyrian refuges was greater than that of Armenians´, the number of the dead among them was also greater.

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SiyasetMeydani/message/51589

5.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 04:48 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

A translation - Ahmet Altan´s daily column (from taraf news paper)

Orginal is here

 

 

 

Powerful words!

6.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 04:53 pm

Please explain to me: Ittihatcilar

7.       doudi94
845 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 04:55 pm

Quote:thehandsom

Do you really dont feel sorry for these people who suffered this much because they are Armenians?

 

I DO!!! I feel so sorry for them! Thats just soo sad!!! I cant imagine being you know, perscuted and followed and murdered because of my blood!Thts just so unfair!

8.       CANLI
5084 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 05:15 pm

 Doudi,do you know anything about so called Armenian genocide ?!

 

Quoting doudi94

 

I DO!!! I feel so sorry for them! Thats just soo sad!!! I cant imagine being you know, perscuted and followed and murdered because of my blood!Thts just so unfair!

 

 

9.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 05:17 pm

Doudi, that might make you ill, very graphic:

 

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&q=armenian+genocide

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 05:19 pm

 

Quoting Roswitha

Please explain to me: Ittihatcilar

 

Ros, dearest

 

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_30435

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_31576 (this is your post btw)

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